WTH at all the X1 hate?

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Genocidicles

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9thRequiem said:
Yes, because something entered into PasteBin totally counts as a trustworthy source. Anyone could enter things like that. I know trusting manufacturers isn't the best idea, but I still think that the official Microsoft releases are more trustworthy than that.
It makes sense though. The sharing between 10 family members thing was like the best thing that the xbone had going for it, if it did involve sharing a full game amongst 10 people.

What with all the negative press I think Microsoft wouldn't have shut up about this feature, if it really was like everyone thought it would be. As it was they hardly mentioned it at all, almost as if they wanted to hide it.

And I mean, do you really think publishers would be on board with a system that screwed them out of money?
 

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OP posts nothing but praise for a flawed concept implemented poorly, and doesn't refer to it as Xbone.

Definitely paid off.

Protip; if you want to appear even halfway legit, call it Xbone. If you don't it's obvious you're spouting the line you're paid to spout.

OT: the console existed to remove every remaining drop of consumer freedom in an attempt to solidify the control of the developers and publishers, all in the name of profit. The tiny benefits touted by the company were NOTHING compared to the cost to consumers. "All the hate" was because people saw that and fought back. Microsoft realized they were being literally fucking retarded and backpedaled in an attempt to win back a fraction of the consumers they proved they hated enough to design an entire console around stripping them of their rights at every turn.

Even after the backpedaling, the fact that they even TRIED that bullshit leaves a bad taste in my mouth. They don't care about their customers. They don't care about gamers. Every decision they make is all about profit - at whatever cost. They simply failed to realize that the cost, this time, was too high - and it bit them in the ass. They deserve to completely lose this generation of console wars, and it depresses me to think they still stand a chance after the bullshit they pulled.
 

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Genocidicles said:
9thRequiem said:
Yes, because something entered into PasteBin totally counts as a trustworthy source. Anyone could enter things like that. I know trusting manufacturers isn't the best idea, but I still think that the official Microsoft releases are more trustworthy than that.
It makes sense though. The sharing between 10 family members thing was like the best thing that the xbone had going for it, if it did involve sharing a full game amongst 10 people.

What with all the negative press I think Microsoft wouldn't have shut up about this feature, if it really was like everyone thought it would be. As it was they hardly mentioned it at all, almost as if they wanted to hide it.

And I mean, do you really think publishers would be on board with a system that screwed them out of money?
They did mention it plenty, and by their own admission they didn't do a good enough job at talking up the features (Although they didn't help themselves one bit by calling it "educating the customers"); On top of that most of the coverage of the XOne was buried under "Always online and no used games!".

I think the publishers would be on board because the system is based around the virtual equivalent of "Pass the disc to a close friend", and that same system restricted "Sell the disc to a stranger via a proxy who takes a very large cut". The former action would be less likely to result in a lost sale.
 

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Again I am the troll because if I have a viewpoint which is pro-X1, I work for microsoft. I have heard your lines before...

The X1 stood for the PC-itization of Consoles, now its back to last generation...

And again, consoles are multi-media systems. For the best gaming experience, get a gaming PC...
And we have heard all you lines before. Though I will give you props for originality in that you seem to be combining the most odious character traits of Microsoft fanboyism and PC-Master race elitism in your op. Its a lovely neat package.

You like XboxOne? Cool, fair play to you.

A lot of other people don't.

What Microsoft was doing with their always online console was incredibly elitist and was abandoning a lot of their userbase.

And please, Define 'best gaming experience?'

My gaming experience is not your gaming experience.
 

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I wont rehash the litany of reasons people hated the Xbone but you ask the question, 'Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console?'

And this is exactly the point: Microsoft didn't show us any benefits! They showed us TV, Sports, COD Dog, and tried to shove a multitude of anti-consumer practices down our throats. When anyone anyone had the temerity to ask about the restrictions they were either fobbed off or patronized. When they finally got round to mentioning the plus points, like the Cloud and Family Sharing, they seemed like they had no idea what they were talking about. Different people gave different impressions and tried to weasel out and redirect straight questions. In short they came across like dodgy used-car salesmen.

'So...why do we need DRM?'
'Hey, why don't you wanna come with us to the FUTURE?'

'Could you nail down exactly how the Family Sharing is gonna work?
'Did you SEE Titanfall?'

As consumers it's not our job to search high and low for possible benefits, it's up to Microsoft to show them to us. They failed spectacularly.
This. Very much this. They were so unctuous and slippery when it came to ANY question.

You know when you are watching a program like "the office" and find it almost painful to watch because David Brent is so embarrassing (to any outside the UK who doesn't know what I mean, just youtube it. Good god)? That was how I felt watching ANY Xbone announcements after E3.

I think the crowning achievement was when people asked if it was true that you'd lose access to your games if you were banned on XBL - a fair assumption, since how is it going to verify your connection if the account you're using to go online with is banned - and we were told "absolutely not" by (that idiot) Major Nelson. Hang on though, did that mean that all games would be locked onto the console? what if the console breaks? Do I lose all my games and end up with a useless collection of game discs?

Every single feature of the Xbox One was so poorly thought through, had limitations that didn't benefit anyone - seriously, how does signing in every 24 hours benefit either us or Microsoft? Is it to update those awful adverts on the splash screen on startup?

Nothing was explained, and when it was, it either had huge restrictions or had been very poorly thought through.

The initial unveiling of the Xbox One spoke volumes, who is going to be waiting for the Xbox One announcement? Gamers. Gamers are going to be the ones sitting on the edge of their seats, counting down the hours till they see the Xbox One, its hardware specs, the new games being released on it. So what did they do? talk about nothing but being able to watch TV on it, with no mention of gaming.
MS seem to have a real problem of understanding anything that their customers want - the only reason they have reversed decision on the Xbox One is because the PS4 was outselling it, by some (admittedly anonymous) accounts, by 3 to 1.

I am also not comfortable with the Kinect 2.0 sitting and watching me all the time either, this thing can monitor up to 8 people and can even read your heartrate through your face. Sounds impressive, but anyone who's even read a headline with the word "PRISM" in it in the last 3 weeks should be very, very concerned about it. Yeah yeah, you can "turn it off" - you can't unplug it though can you? Otherwise the console doesn't work. I don't think its paranoid to be suspicious of this thing.
 

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It is simply another mis-step by Microsoft, see also: Windows 8.

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As this point I would type something along the lines of 'Welcome to the Escapist!' along with a few rules/in-jokes but at this point you've clearly outstayed your welcome.
 

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theuprising said:
Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console? And good god not one media story about it either, instead the media literally jumped on the hate train to get views. Oh yeah and when the X1 backs off its Always Online, its "spineless backpedaling", but when the PS4 drops the Playstation Eye basically abandoning any advanced motion control gaming experience in the next generation to die, so it could beat the XB1's pricing, its "listening to the consumer". Ok guys.

And everyone also glosses over all the PS4's faults like its nothing too (PS4 charging just as much for far inferior and far less secure online functionality, much fewer multimedia features, far less robust cloud infrastructure, etc...) well I think its cuz all the XB360 fans jumped ship, and they weren't the smartest bunch, and thus you are in the situation we are in today. As a PC Gamer I was looking forward to the old X1 for a TV gaming solution. If you guys "only care about the games" and want the best dedicated gaming system, you would not be buying a PS4. You would be buying a gaming PC. You are getting a console b/c you want it to compliment the stuff in your living room and/or you can't be damned to make a gaming PC.
There are benefits to consumers in having a console online. There were no benefits to consumers in having a requirement to put a console online once a day.
 

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Gaming PCs are getting better but they're generally either very expensive or a huge pain in the ass to build. Consoles have always primarily been gaming machines and should continue to be. We don't need TV, YouTube and all the other bullshit integrated into them - we have laptops/desktops for that and I don't hear anyone complaining.

As far as I can see, the two main problems (i.e. the ones they backtracked on) are always online and no used games.

Always online: This is just stupid and unnecessary. My PS3 is pretty much always online but I'd be pissed off if my internet went down and it meant I couldn't play single player games on my console. I can't see any kind of consumer benefit to this idea, surely having the option to be both online and offline is better than being forced to be online all the time? Also, Diablo 3, Sim City. 'nuff said.

No Used Games: Fuck you Microsoft. If I buy something then I should be able to sell it. I know the move to digital is inevitable and that there's the question of whether you can really own a non-physical thing but I feel like Microsoft is trying to force me into something that's beneficial for them and has no benefits for me. Surely there's a better way to move to a digital distribution model, with no used games, than trying to ram it down our throats before we're ready for it. I can only speak for the UK Playstation Network but I've seen many situations where a new AAA game is released on the PSN for £60, and it goes for £40 in the local shops! I can understand that we'd be expected to pay more for the convenience of just being able to download it, but that needs to be weighed against the facts that people, in general, don't like change, and that people have much more trust in a physical game than something that's been downloaded and is tied to their account. If games went online for £30 when they were released, I'd probably buy them digitally. My point is that we could be eased into a digital distribution model, if it was done correctly and actually had an up-side for us. We're less likely to be receptive to such a big change when it's forced upon us with no benefits, just because it's 'The Future'.

I'm not a huge fan of pineapple, but I'd be much more likely to try it if presented as a dessert in a restaurant. I'd be less pleased if Bill Gates rammed a whole one down and up my throat and ass, respectively.
 

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theuprising said:
ALSO what pisses me off is why are you guys glad all these features are gone from the X1? Ppl who were buying the X1 wanted them, you guys didn't, you still aren't buying the X1, and you never will be. So why was it changed, argh, just for whiners who are going to buy the PS4 anyway!
As being one of the "you guys" on the hate-train, I would like to share my reasons.

Being a 360-owner I WAS going to buy the One80 until MS announced their much hated "features".

I wasen't really that mad, I mean, MS had just saved me alot of money, by persuading me not to buy their console.
Buuut I had my fears, that this extreme version of the profit-over-consumers-mentality would become the new "thing".

After being denounced by two major groups of consumers (The gamers and the armed forces) MS realized that to earn money with a console, people actually had to buy it.

And now that the One80 seems to become the console I hoped for... Will I buy it?

Hell no! They have already shown their mindset towards the users. Let them roast slowly in their own fat until they show some damned goodwill.
 

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Now with the TV shows, I have to see these shows before I can comment on the good or bad elements of them. The idea of a halo show is completely uninspiring but hey I could be wrong, it could be the next Babylon 5. Only time will tell.
There's already a Halo "tv show" - Red vs. Blue.
 

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Well they kinda boned it. It is hard to put a positive spin on the original plans. I mean they wanted to take FULL CONTROL over your games.. and then we're very unclear about what you would get in return. Oh yes we heard gamesharing but no details.. no how it would be done.

So people we're left with the feeling of losing control of their games. To many their games still is their property.. I know developers might not like it but it still is that people desire to be the owner of the disc..of the game.

Microsoft had some deals with developers to take away said rights.. and it burned them.

So that is why simple as it goes. Oh and yes I am sure the same developers talked to Sony. But Sony as Jim said, did nothing, nothing good yet nothing bad either.

Yes I totally expect that they would have been able to put the same kind of DRM system up. And if they did choice was very little. WiiU? PC?

But Sony didn't so they we're not the bad guys. Simple as that..

And lets be fair Microsoft PR are currently JERKS.. one gaffe after the other!

Hell a console launch bound to only 21 countries.. because of DRM. That is sad!
 

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theuprising said:
SeventhSigil said:
....you can really blame Microsoft for changing it, you know. =P They're the ones who decided your money wasn't good enough for them.
who's money are they getting? Not yours. I haven't met a single person who was swayed by their dumb move, everyone's happy that the DRM is gone, patting themselves on the back, and saying "never forgive, never forget, still getting a PS4", so why bother catering to the tards?
Forgiving is nice and all, but it kinda more than someone to just stop being an asshole. Such as an apology.
 

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theuprising said:
Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console?
I in fact do not see.
Please enlighten me with a factual list. That would be most appreciated.

Also, only list facts that sell the X1 on it's own merits.
For example, don't say: The X1 is more powerful than the PS4 because...
You can say that the X1 has say: because it's always online you get X, for example.
I want to analyze the X1, not the PS4 right now.
 

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Do you really have to ask?

It's not as if there are several billion youtube videos explaining it already.

http://youtu.be/9ekOtn7L1N0

http://youtu.be/ryB-hdtpQRw

http://youtu.be/xcXdWRJ-xb4
 

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theuprising said:
Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console?
Did I seriously just read that? Video games are data stored on a disk/hard drive. You physically have no need for Internet connection
 

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theuprising said:
Soopy said:
This has all been said about one million times now. The Xbone is disliked because of what it stood for as much as for what it was.
Nobody disputed Sony's shortfalls, they were simply golden by comparison.


How long have you worked at Microsoft?
Again I am the troll because if I have a viewpoint which is pro-X1, I work for microsoft. I have heard your lines before...

The X1 stood for the PC-itization of Consoles, now its back to last generation...

And again, consoles are multi-media systems. For the best gaming experience, get a gaming PC...
PCs having online DRM is the WORST THING ABOUT THEM! A lack of creative monopoly, customisation through mods, and unlimited upgrade-ability is what's good about them, not having to bend over for EA every time you boot up SimCity
 

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Look, all the online features Microsoft wanted the XB1 to do were great ideas. They were just asking too much. Always online doesn't affect me, but they released the number of countries with a stable enough internet infrastructure, and the product wouldn't be available to half the world.

Using the cloud to help speed up processing power: Sounds great! Automatically updating games and apps even when the system is in standby: Sony does that if you have a PS+ subscription and I like that. The family sharing: great idea, but I'm the only one in my family who keeps up with games. Being able to install games completely so I don't have to put the disc in: convenient.

Forcing me to install the game, and then taking away my ability to trade it in if I don't like it: controlling and oppressive. Turning off my ability to play video games if I haven't "checked in" in 24 hours: if I pay $500 for a piece of equipment, I expect it to be allowed to use it whenever I want, barring any extreme mechanical or software issues.

As for the Kinect, I barely use the one I have now. It's just plain unreliable. There's no reason to FORCE anyone to use it.

So, yeah, those were my issues with the XB1. The features were nice, but the restrictions were just too much. Now that the restrictions are gone, I plan on getting one eventually.

And don't say that a gaming PC is a "dedicated gaming machine." That's what consoles are. PC games were started out of convenience for people who already had PCs and didn't want to buy a console just for gaming. They're a multi-use platform. When I buy a PC, I use it for lots of things, but I make sure it's specced out for gaming just in case I want to use it for that. I like that my consoles to Netflix, etc, but I buy them to play games and enjoy the convenience of having those other things. If wanted something I could just watch movies and tv on, most Blu Ray players do those things.

Ok, rant over.