WW2 Games from a Nazi Perspective...
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The only way I can see a Nazi perspective being greenlighted is if it's Nazis versus Soviet political officers, in an almost comical game about which side is the biggest dick in recent history.
There would probably be a Japanese death camp squad cameo, and since at this point it's laughably silly, the end boss would be Satan in a Tiger tank on Stalin's mustache.
There would probably be a Japanese death camp squad cameo, and since at this point it's laughably silly, the end boss would be Satan in a Tiger tank on Stalin's mustache.
Because Rommels mission in North Africa was never to pave the way for the holocaust to be exported to the middle east or to help "destroy Jewry in the Arab World" (their exact words) or anything like that, neither was he a Nazi party member and supporter of Hitler.Witty Name Here said:
He was so noble and honourable he even fell on his sword after being involved in very honourable and noble coup attempt.
You're a neo-Nazi, right? You even have a swastika in your avatar (kolovrat?).Stepan_RUS said:
I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the final solution and how would you deal with that and related topics in a video game. Do you think it was positive? Would it sell in your country compared to western Europe and the states where there would no doubt be a public outcry?
RTS games often allow you to play as the Germans (Men of War is easily the most realistic and has a great map editor), and so did Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood.
There is a game or a mod for a game (not entirely sure which was never that curious about it) where the player managed concentration camps Bullfrog sim style. Pretty sickening really but it must have appeal enough for someone to bother making it.GoaThief said:
You saved me a lot of work, thank you.Chives on top of me said:
OT: I can't really see this game being made and not being nazi appologist in any way.
The Wehrmacht was involved into the killings aswell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
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First off, what the Hell is Battleduty? And I'd like to just play as one to see the game from a different perspective, instead of some Nazi-shootout bloodfest, like the last few hundred. And I guess I should clarify, I'm talking about first-person shooters that have a Nazi-centered campaign. You know, one that isn't so biased against Them. One that doesn't glamorize them, but at least acknowledges that these were human beings.Archangel357 said:
Well, one of my favorite poets was a medical officer in the Kaiser WWI army. He was drafted into service, and suffered so much emotional trauma from what he saw and from being forced to fight in a war he could care less about that he later committed suicide. His name was Georg Trakl, and he does prove the point that not everyone who fought on the side of Fascism in WWI and WWII was an evil person.
That being said, maybe instead of a shooter, you could make an adventure game where you have to navigate through enemy traps and lines to rescue comrades, all while the main character spirals down a path of madness as he constantly questions whether or not what he is doing is the "right" thing to do. At least it would be a departure from the all-too-common military shooter.
That being said, maybe instead of a shooter, you could make an adventure game where you have to navigate through enemy traps and lines to rescue comrades, all while the main character spirals down a path of madness as he constantly questions whether or not what he is doing is the "right" thing to do. At least it would be a departure from the all-too-common military shooter.
Oh boy, concentration camp quick time events!
Tap A to release poison gas into the showers!
Yeah, I don't see it happening, but it could be interesting. Just gotta make the main character you play as someone who is generally "following orders" but doesn't agree with them completely...creates a moral dilemma within the character you're playing.
I think it could make for a very interesting game, however, trying to sell the idea of playing as basically the most hated group of people in last 60 years is a tough sell, I could see protests over a game like that.
Tap A to release poison gas into the showers!
Yeah, I don't see it happening, but it could be interesting. Just gotta make the main character you play as someone who is generally "following orders" but doesn't agree with them completely...creates a moral dilemma within the character you're playing.
I think it could make for a very interesting game, however, trying to sell the idea of playing as basically the most hated group of people in last 60 years is a tough sell, I could see protests over a game like that.
I've always though it could make a tight personal narrative for an FPS or platoon level tactical game. Getting to know a squad of german joes and care about them, looking on from the sideleines at the actions of einsatzgruppen and such. Trying desperately to save the lives of your friends as your whole country is overwhelmed by a superior foe. I can even see the QTE driven CoD style ending scene where your character gets killed trying to surrender his men at the end of a desperate action. There's alot of drama, alot of good stories to tell on the grey side of the line.
It wasn't just nazi's and concentration camps, most of them were just soldiers. The evil aspects of German military conquest should be addressed, but don't the actions of their men who suffered and died on the frontlines deserve something more than eternal "shoot at me, Im'a baddie" status?
It wasn't just nazi's and concentration camps, most of them were just soldiers. The evil aspects of German military conquest should be addressed, but don't the actions of their men who suffered and died on the frontlines deserve something more than eternal "shoot at me, Im'a baddie" status?
As I said in my rant (which I re-read, sloppy due to fatigue, but still accurate) that's the Hollywood version, like most coverage of contreversial things on Wikipedia. People just aren't ready for the truth here, there are crazy numbers of holes in pretty much everything on wikipedia that contridicted what I said.maninahat said:
All of which comes down to the central point that people just aren't ready for a World War II game featuring Nazi protaganists like the game suggested.
Among other things you'll notice we blame the Russians for the one big Volkssturm massacre you mention. God forbid the US/UK did anything that horrible, that would contridict the Hollywood version, but on the other hand, well The Russians were the big bad guys after the Germans so we can point fingers at them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm actually not bashing the US, actually knowing a lot of the truth about WW II (when I was younger some of my older teachers had been there, and insisited on telling very differant versions from a lot of the "textbook" stuff to make sure the right lessons were learned), has influanced my overall attitudes about how wars are fought, and are a big part of why I call "BS" so often on "The War On Terror" and attempts to run an antiseptic war, when there is no such thing. "The biggest bastard wins, and then writes the history books" is pretty much the truth, so when I hear all the QQing about collateral damage, war crimes, and "not wanting to become the enemy by using evil tactics" I tend to roll my eyes and grumble about the idiots saying that crap for being why we haven't accomplished much. It's especially painful when you have some liberal who probably grew up in the 60s protesting 'Nam ranting about "good wars" and referaincing World War II like it was a comic book because of how we got to write the history books afterwards.
The US/Allies were the good guys, and did what had to be done, but it wasn't antiseptic, and not entirely black and white on any front. In theory you could do a game from the Nazi perspective pretty easily and make the Allies the bad guys in a limited scope campaign because we did worse than most of what we accused them of, which is how we won. The simple truth, in the sad world we live in a hero and a complete bastard are one in the same because you can't be one without being the other.
I can't believe in three pages this is the only mention of Battlefield 1942. Granted, it doesn't exactly tell a personal story (although that's intentional; you're supposed to feel like a faceless grunt on a gigantic battlefield), but you definitely get to play as the Nazis and the Japanese in it. It wouldn't surprise me if there's a map in there somewhere where you can play as the Italians.blackrave said:
Edit: And speaking of WW2 strategy games, there's always the aptly named Axis and Allies, which is a board game that has at least one videogame implementation. I think Making History: The Calm and the Storm lets you play as pretty much any country involved in the war, although I could be wrong, since I've only played the tutorial.