X-Child Policies: Are they Evil?

[Sark]

A little background:

I am making this thread in response to a discussion I had today with my grandparents. Basically, my grandparent's church group has been supporting a few families of Sudanese refugees. None of the people in these families work and their income comes from Church donations and Government payouts.
In Australia we have a ridiculous policy called the Baby Bonus. Upon the arrival of each child, you will recieve $5000 from the government. Refugees have been using this as an income source and one particular family is up to 8 Children. This idea of having so many children may come from the infant morality rates in their home countries but is becoming unreasonable when in a developed country.
Due to having so many children, and being unemployed, these families are asking for handouts from Church groups, which consist mostly of pensioners.

Ok now I will move to the focus.

Do you believe it is unreasonable for governments to place restrictions on the family sizes of those of either low socio-economic background or refugees?

 

[LopezMeister]

I think that placing restrictions on a specific group of people leans toward discrimination. If it was placed on everyone then that would be slightly more fair. I do however think that a country such as Australia limiting how many children families are allowed to have is unlikely.

 

[Sark]

Breeding like rabbits to get handouts is not acceptable, however telling ethnically diverse people that they cannot have children is also not acceptable. Solution, stop the money to everybody.

The policy was always a fairly stupid idea. What I find most insulting is that they are expecting pensioners to pay their rent and clothe their children. It shouldn't matter who is asking for this. It should be unreasonable no matter where you live.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

No, I prefer my government not to tell me what I can and cannot do, especially on a matter such as childbirth.

If I wanted it any other way, I would've moved to China, thank you very much.

 

[Stoic raptor]

it depends, if those refugees are trying to get jobs but dont have enough money to support themselves, then i think its ok. if the people are doing nothing, just sitting and doing lazy stuff, then i think its wrong. but i doubt refugees will do the latter

and its wrong to take advantage of these donations

 

[KaiRai]

A little background:

I am making this thread in response to a discussion I had today with my grandparents. Basically, my grandparent's church group has been supporting a few families of Sudanese refugees. None of the people in these families work and their income comes from Church donations and Government payouts.
In Australia we have a ridiculous policy called the Baby Bonus. Upon the arrival of each child, you will recieve $5000 from the government. Refugees have been using this as an income source and one particular family is up to 8 Children. This idea of having so many children may come from the infant morality rates in their home countries but is becoming unreasonable when in a developed country.
Due to having so many children, and being unemployed, these families are asking for handouts from Church groups, which consist mostly of pensioners.

Ok now I will move to the focus.

Do you believe it is unreasonable for governments to place restrictions on the family sizes of those of either low socio-economic background or refugees?

NO! It is entirely reasonable. This is how England is being raped by the Asylum seekers and the Chavs. They come over here and take our benefits, while the chavs play the "I was born here, so what!?" card. Unacceptable, because these 2 social groups (it is others, but these are the main culprits). It's really annoying because there are people out there who can't get job and are having to try and try to make ends meet while these people just rape the benefit system.

Our government should just stop letting people into the country because there is no jobs for them, and do something about the chavs, because there are no jobs for those lazy "patriotic" bastards either.

Rant over. feels good to get that off my chest...

 

[jodko]

No, I prefer my government not to tell me what I can and cannot do, especially on a matter such as childbirth.

If I wanted it any other way, I would've moved to China, thank you very much.

So you think China shouldnt have a one child per family legislation?

 

[Froobyx]

Make it so it's like 5000 for the first child and then make it less each time after that, they're not getting as much money, tax payers happy and the population doesn't sky rocket..

Instead of been a lazy immigrant and taking the tax payers money to support their massive family of 10 get a job... Make them work ¬_¬

 

[Golden Gryphon]

You shouldn't tell people they can't have more kids any more than you should tell people that they have to have kids.

On the subject of handouts, your grandparents are adults and perfectly capable of deciding wether or not they think it is a good use of their own money.

 

[daxter101]

Its a breach of freedom to tell people how many kids they can have, but i also beleive its a breach of my freedom when i have to pay for other peoples problems.

 

[Skuffyshootster]

No, let the people suffer for having 7 kids. It's their decision, so they should deal with it themselves.

 

[Actual]

Got to agree with Max, except we don't have to pay to check our kids out of the hospital; $5,000 is going to last them a couple months, not the lifetime of a child.

If they're relying on that sum to support them, then running out of money so spawning again...they're going to get deeper and deeper in the pit.

If that is what's happening, it needs to be stopped. Maybe someone could explain to them that $5,000 is not the same in Oz as it is in Sudan.

And "No" I don't think X-child policies are evil, they seem to be a great idea. Just very difficult to actually implement.

 

[cobra_ky]

A little background:

I am making this thread in response to a discussion I had today with my grandparents. Basically, my grandparent's church group has been supporting a few families of Sudanese refugees. None of the people in these families work and their income comes from Church donations and Government payouts.
In Australia we have a ridiculous policy called the Baby Bonus. Upon the arrival of each child, you will recieve $5000 from the government. Refugees have been using this as an income source and one particular family is up to 8 Children. This idea of having so many children may come from the infant morality rates in their home countries but is becoming unreasonable when in a developed country.
Due to having so many children, and being unemployed, these families are asking for handouts from Church groups, which consist mostly of pensioners.

what a ridiculous policy. no country should be in the business of encouraging birth rates. look at what happened in China; massive population growth will lead to a precipitous decline in quality of life.

that said...

Do you believe it is unreasonable for governments to place restrictions on the family sizes of those of either low socio-economic background or refugees?

damn straight it's unreasonable. it's institutionalized racism and it's class warfare, and it's dangerously close to social darwinism.

Also only 5% of Sudanese are Christian, they are mostly Moslem, why would your grandparents church group give them money instead of other Christians who need it more to raise two or three kids

gee, i don't know, maybe they have compassion for others, regardless of religion? love thy neighbor and all that.

No, let the people suffer for having 7 kids. It's their decision, so they should deal with it themselves.

the problem with that is the kids suffer too, and it wasn't their decision.

 

[Biek]

I think they should stop the handouts after a certain number of children. This will also prevent abuse. Example: getting money for children you claim to have in another country. Yes, Dutch poltics is a puppet show.

Some people claim they have the right to have children. That ridiculous, its a fucking responsibility. If your gonna start popping out babies you better think of the consequences istead of holding your hand up demanding money. If you didnt get any, your children would starve to death. thats true. Who responsibility is that? Theirs or yours? If your rich, by all means go spawn a legion if you want to. But your not dont go blaming others for your inability to support your own offspring.

 

[Ygfi]

A little background:

I am making this thread in response to a discussion I had today with my grandparents. Basically, my grandparent's church group has been supporting a few families of Sudanese refugees. None of the people in these families work and their income comes from Church donations and Government payouts.
In Australia we have a ridiculous policy called the Baby Bonus. Upon the arrival of each child, you will recieve $5000 from the government. Refugees have been using this as an income source and one particular family is up to 8 Children. This idea of having so many children may come from the infant morality rates in their home countries but is becoming unreasonable when in a developed country.
Due to having so many children, and being unemployed, these families are asking for handouts from Church groups, which consist mostly of pensioners.

Ok now I will move to the focus.

Do you believe it is unreasonable for governments to place restrictions on the family sizes of those of either low socio-economic background or refugees?

i think it was a stupid law to begin with. in SA theres some plan to get the population to rise a lot, witch is stupid. they should stop the handouts all together for having kids; just redivert it into schools and childcare.
we need to better use the people we have, not make more people we have no use for...

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

No, I prefer my government not to tell me what I can and cannot do, especially on a matter such as childbirth.

If I wanted it any other way, I would've moved to China, thank you very much.

So you think China shouldnt have a one child per family legislation?

No, no I don't. I think that when you get to the point that the state is so controlling of your life that they can decide how many children you can have, it's time to get the fuck out, overpopulation or not.