X1 pre owned game strategy revealed! (now can we stop with the hate threads and get excited for e3?)

[LT Cannibal 68]

Instead of listening to me ramble here is the direct link to the article.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-preowned-plan-revealed-6408850

seems pretty fair with the whole discless thing they have planned right?

Your thoughts on this matter welcome!

to be honest now i can personally stop worriying about stupid fucking policies and start getting hyped for e3

 

[Vegosiux]

Excited for E3? Why'd I want to get excited for more PR folks doing PR talk? I don't get excited for the commercial blocks on TV, even when rumor has it that there's going to be an infomercial revealing something entirely new and awesome >.>

Hype is exactly what I don't want to deal with in gaming these days.

 

[LT Cannibal 68]

Excited for E3? Why'd I want to get excited for more PR folks doing PR talk? I don't get excited for the commercial blocks on TV, even when rumor has it that there's going to be an infomercial revealing something entirely new and awesome >.>

Hype is exactly what I don't want to deal with in gaming these days.

not getting overhyped for something is completely ungerstandable and i agree.
the pr folks doing pr talk was at the reveal now come the games that people want to hear about.
I'm glad my outlook on things isn't so jaded

any thoughts on the op though?

 

[Eve Charm]

"According to retail sources speaking with MCV, retailers will be able to charge whatever they want for secondhand Xbox One games, but Microsoft and publishers will receive a cut of every transaction."

So ya now what companies are going to want to go through the trouble of used game sales if they are going to try to get in on it and what kind of cut is it going to be to lend your game to someone? this isn't like good news, just bad incomplete news.

 

[Rack]

"According to retail sources speaking with MCV, retailers will be able to charge whatever they want for secondhand Xbox One games, but Microsoft and publishers will receive a cut of every transaction."

So ya now what companies are going to want to go through the trouble of used game sales if they are going to try to get in on it and what kind of cut is it going to be to lend your game to someone? this isn't like good news, just bad incomplete news.

Bad, incomplete, inaccurate news.

As a principal it stinks, there was always an idea that while trading games between friends was an unalienable right of the consumer, game stores were abusing the trust with unfair practises. So MS appear to launch a system that prevents trading and lending games amongst friends but keeps the stores doing what they are doing. Also it still effectively needs a constant (every 24 hours is effectively constant) connection.

Screw that noise.

 

[Zeh Don]

Sounds like the hate threads will keep coming. Only, instead of being created because people have created their own version of the truth, they'll be based entirely on face - which will, strangely enough, make them entirely more valid.

If anything, confirmation just makes this shit storm worse.

 

[TheComfyChair]

The PS4 is also going to attack used games too, by the way. They famously dodged the 'can we run used games' question around the time of their reveal in a penny arcade report interview. You don't dodge a question like that if you've nothing to hide.

The issue isn't necessarily that used games are a critical part of gaming. I haven't bought a game used for years, since i mostly play on PC. However, i just bought Alan wake + american nightmare for £3.50 yesterday. That's the difference. If consoles had a system similar to PC where there's several competing digital distributors all vying for our money, then eliminating used games wouldn't be an issue at all as the games would be cheap. Plus, on PC, a friend can play single player games offline using my steam account (log in, set it to offline mode, change the password back to something else, job done).

But neither console will be like that. Both Sony and MS have monopoly over DD on their console. It's going to be horribly expensive. Let's not even consider the fact that the RRP of console games is £10-20 more than PC games as well. So, it's not used games that are the crux of the issue, it's how crappy Sony and MS are and providing consumers with good deals (admittedly Sony is vastly better with things like PS plus, but it's no Steam).

 

[Gorrath]

Sounds like the hate threads will keep coming. Only, instead of being created because people have created their own version of the truth, they'll be based entirely on face - which will, strangely enough, make them entirely more valid.

If anything, confirmation just makes this shit storm worse.

I don't know that people are creating their own version of the truth. They are simply reacting to what information they have, which is all they can do. The 'wait and see' approach is fine, but there's no reason we can't react to rumors either. If it all turns out to be half-truth and lies, we'll adjust our discussion accordingly. If MS didn't want a bunch of rumors ruling the headlines, they shouldn't have been so vague on the details. If anything, hating on rumors hurts no one and can, if the hate is loud enough, affect MS' descisions pre-launch. Now is the time to complain, when things can be altered. My post may have addressed points beyond what you intended, I've just seen a lot of "Why is everyone so mad about rumors?" talk.

 

[Gorrath]

"According to retail sources speaking with MCV, retailers will be able to charge whatever they want for secondhand Xbox One games, but Microsoft and publishers will receive a cut of every transaction."

So ya now what companies are going to want to go through the trouble of used game sales if they are going to try to get in on it and what kind of cut is it going to be to lend your game to someone? this isn't like good news, just bad incomplete news.

I have seen this sentiment a lot.

But there is one thing people dont consider.

If you are lending a game to a friend, why not just log onto your profile on your friends console, so that the game, which is locked to your profile, will be able to be played there?

Presumably, people will want to play their own games at their own house while their game is lent out.

 

[Colt47]

The PS4 is also going to attack used games too, by the way. They famously dodged the 'can we run used games' question around the time of their reveal in a penny arcade report interview. You don't dodge a question like that if you've nothing to hide.

The issue isn't necessarily that used games are a critical part of gaming. I haven't bought a game used for years, since i mostly play on PC. However, i just bought Alan wake + american nightmare for £3.50 yesterday. That's the difference. If consoles had a system similar to PC where there's several competing digital distributors all vying for our money, then eliminating used games wouldn't be an issue at all as the games would be cheap. Plus, on PC, a friend can play single player games offline using my steam account (log in, set it to offline mode, change the password back to something else, job done).

But neither console will be like that. Both Sony and MS have monopoly over DD on their console. It's going to be horribly expensive. Let's not even consider the fact that the RRP of console games is £10-20 more than PC games as well. So, it's not used games that are the crux of the issue, it's how crappy Sony and MS are and providing consumers with good deals (admittedly Sony is vastly better with things like PS plus, but it's no Steam).

A lack of an answer does not infer a negative answer, just that the representative at the time doesn't have an answer one way or the other. Again, I'm not saying that your thoughts are wrong, just that it's probably best to wait and see what happens at E3 with Sony before we all start jumping on the hate wagon for them.

 

[Zeh Don]

Fortunately, we already know that the PS4 will not have an internet requirement of any kind. Confirmed multiple times. This restrict Sony's ability to in turn restrict the used game's market dramatically.

 

[Yopaz]

"According to retail sources speaking with MCV, retailers will be able to charge whatever they want for secondhand Xbox One games, but Microsoft and publishers will receive a cut of every transaction."

So ya now what companies are going to want to go through the trouble of used game sales if they are going to try to get in on it and what kind of cut is it going to be to lend your game to someone? this isn't like good news, just bad incomplete news.

I have seen this sentiment a lot.

But there is one thing people dont consider.

If you are lending a game to a friend, why not just log onto your profile on your friends console, so that the game, which is locked to your profile, will be able to be played there?

Because sometimes you let a friend borrow a game and you want to log on to your profile at home?

OT: Honestly I have stopped caring at this point. There's back and forth about if it will block used games or not and how they will do it, or how much it will cost to be a consumer. Really, I've given up caring about the console because overall it doesn't interest me. It offers a ton of features which wont work for me since I am European, nor do I care about its capabilities for these. I don't want to get a Kinect forced on me. The games they barely talked about don't interest me and that would have been the thing that could make me buy one. The hate threads will come no matter what. It's a new console war and all the lessons learned in the last few years of the last console war has been forgotten already. We're going to rush to defend our console of choice and complain about the others. Let the hate threads come, let the insanity rule, let E3 disappoint as many as it did last year.

 

[stabnex]

Still not buying it. Still too convoluted. They should just perfect the current mechanism of "is it installed? yes. is it inside the disc tray? yes. start the game, they're legit."

But nooooooooooooooooooooooo! We're ALL pirates, remember?

 

[Greyhamster]

Fortunately, we already know that the PS4 will not have an internet requirement of any kind. Confirmed multiple times. This restrict Sony's ability to in turn restrict the used game's market dramatically.

Yup. (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/123832-PS4-Will-Not-Need-To-Be-Always-Online)

Or at least, it doesn't need to be permanently connected to the internet. It doesn't say anything about periodic checks (such as with the Xbone) and it could be very possible that they will implement those. Still, what you say is very true: Without forcing an internet connection (whether permanently or once a day/week/month/year) there's only so much you can do to limit used games. I'm betting that they will continue what they're doing with the current generation (you can buy secondhand and play, but you get extra stuff/an online mode when you pay for the online pass)

But we will see at E3. I'm interested to see how this will turn out