FieryTrainwreck said:
Cable penetration rates are at an all-time, 20+ year low, as far as I know. They deregulated the industry heavily in 1996, which is why cable television prices (and cable profit margins) skyrocketed. Subsequently, nearly half of the country either can't afford it or refuses to prop up a monopoly. Getting into bed with cable television is a pretty good indicator that Microsoft isn't interested in everyone's money. They're after big fish - people with enough money to buy the overpriced console, spend for cable TV and XBL, and still have enough left over to buy all the wonderful products thrust at them by the kinect + dashboard combo.
It's not even trying to pretend to be a game console at this point.
Don't know if you want Jimquisition, but one of his videos mentioned something similar, only to point out that those WITH that kind of disposable income are likely going to have gadgets and technology that can accomplish all these 'side-benefits' anyway, which makes their solution their own downfall. xP Either they have no idea what they're doing, or this is some Darth Sidious, multi-generation plot that will result in an emo long-haired Sith L- sorry, carried away. SPEAKING of long-term plotting, however, take a gander at this;
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121105/21564420943/microsoft-patents-tv-that-watches-back-counts-heads-charges-admission.shtml
Of course, this article is unrelated to the current topic; I might make a separate thread about it, but wanted initial impressions, and I'm concerned that making all these Microsoft-jabbing threads might get me a banhammer. It's about a patent that Microsoft applied for back in 2011, and the articles about it came out in 2012, though haven't found any confirmation as to whether they secured it. Frankly, reading it, makes the whole 'Kinect requires connection, comes in every box' aspect take on a decidedly capitalist bent. Well. Even more of a bent than it already was.
FoolKiller said:
SeventhSigil said:
If five years down the line, you decide to stop paying for Gold, then is that going to make all of the One's television features worthless?
I live in a country other than the US, so it already is worthless. 99.9% of the so-called clever things MS does for their gold members only really benefits its American customers.
KarmaTheAlligator said:
chozo_hybrid said:
KarmaTheAlligator said:
And once again it's a feature aimed mainly at their US customers. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
It's a bad thing in my opinion. It's bad enough that people in other countries have to pay more for their machines and subscriptions etc, but we get less features, sales and such. It's why I cancelled my XBL subscription, they don't give a shit about people outside the US.
See, that's what I mean. It's clear they don't want people outside of the US as customers, so people cancel or don't get a XBL subscription. I see that as a good thing as it saves us money. But, it also is a bad thing since we get less for the same amount.
Hell, I'm Canadian and the TV features wouldn't even be out on launch day. -_- And we're literally right up the @$&### border. So anyone out on the other continents might end up being in for a very, very long wait. Assuming they ever got it. What I meant with regards to the Gold point, however, is that in the case of the PS4, at least if I had to stop paying for PS+ for whatever reason, I could still stream Netflix, access social features, etc, etc, etc, so the console does have an element of longevity beyond just those monthly payments; the irony is that Microsoft's new all-in-one box might prove less flexible than Sony's gaming console if neither had subscriptions.
That being said, I agree, the U.S.-centric approach is ridiculous, particularly considering the U.K. was one of their strongest markets during the 360 era. Now, on the Amazon 2013 overall pre-order list, the console is some forty slots behind the PS4 last time I checked.
Shoggoth2588 said:
(I've made this joke before but...)
The last time I watched Cable I got really paranoid...Sure, all I was doing was watching TV but I didn't give Microsoft any of my money for the experience.
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It doesn't make sense to me to offer a service for a device, on a device that requires the first device to function in the first place. I've had the ability to watch cable for decades without an Xbox, 360 or, otherwise. It doesn't work the other way around though unless Microsoft is also planning to launch an LCD screen that attaches directly to the console.
Aye; one of the One's supporters was saying something along the lines of how the One would be able to do far more things than the PS4, and that was why I should buy it. So I asked him to present me a list, he did, and with every item I said something along the lines of 'My iPod can do that already.' 'My computer can do that already.' 'Can Xbox TV skip commercials? No? You know there are no commercials on Netflix' 'My iPod can do that TOO.'
djl3485 said:
KingsGambit said:
SeventhSigil said:
In rough summary, anyone who has a subscription to Time Warner Cable, and an Xbox Live Gold account, will be able to stream over three hundred channels through their Xbox360 and, according to a few articles floating around (all of them have fewer or more details, making it hard to pin down what's true) may have Kinect voice command similar to what's been planned for the Xbox One.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but if someone has an XBox 360 and a cable subscription, presumably they have a TV in order to make use of both of the above. If that's the case, why would anyone need to watch TV on their 360 when they can just watch TV on...the TV?
It's basically making the 360 a cable box. More of a convenience thing. Less cables, not having to switch inputs, etc.
Some of the articles report that you need to lease a cable box anyway, but only some of them; part of the problem with Internet journalism is I can never bloody tell whether or not one fact is included in an article, but not in another because the fact it wrong, or because the second article forgot to mention it. Dx In all likelihood, as the One requires a cable box, it's probably the same for the 360, as I cannot for the life of me imagine them being insane enough to give the cheaper, earlier service ANOTHER advantage. I suppose the advantage is Kinect voice control? ...or something?