Xbox 720 is another iPhone 4S!!

[Tzekelkan]

I wish people would realise that a console does not need as good specs as a PC as they do a lot more with a lot less.

I'd like to see a console run crysis on max, which my PC can, with ''a lot less''. They do 'worse with a lot less. Like everything else in the universe.

Uh, no? If you had a PC with the exact same configuration as the Xbox, it would not run any game as well as the console. That's what he was saying.

 

[razer17]

The next Xbox coming out Fall 2013 will utilize a midrange GPU released several months ago (AMD 6670). After 9 years waiting consoles will release a new machine still incapable of playing 1080p native at 60fps (good luck with any AA).

So, for everyone expecting the announcement of a next gen console, my condolences.

Here's an Engadget Link:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/24/next-xbox-console-to-be-six-times-more-powerful-headed-for-fall/

firstly this is specualtion and rumour at the moment, nothing concrete till Microsoft tells us it is. Secondly, considering that some game already play at 1080p (very few admittedly) and some already play at 720p 60FPS I somehow doubt that they won't be able to do 1080p 60FPS on something 6 times more powerful. People can push consoles a lot further than PC's as it is. If the Xbox 360 was a PC of a similar spec it would handle no where near tje type of graphics and stuff that it does.

Tell me, what games play 1080p? some may have been upscaled to 1080p, but none play at 1080p native which is a MAJOR difference. Also this upscaling makes the FOV even worse as it does tax the system abit, seriously, 55 FOV on Killzone 2-3...

Fifa Street 3, Sacred 2, Virtua Tennis 3, NBA Homecourt. There's a few more than that on the PS3, and I don't know about XBLA games, some of those could be native 1080 too. As far as I'm aware you can make any game run upscaled 1080 by selecting the 1080p option in the graphics bit, but the default is to have it at 720.

 

[Bvenged]

I am not best pleased.

I would like a better, HD GPU and a quad core CPU, not this tri-core nonsense we got now.[footnote]though to be fair it is very well made, so kudos to MS engineers. But why can't they use last years midrange EVERYTHING and then super-optimise it to compete with current high ends to the point where the console is not limiting to game developers and actually give me some confidence where that single new console will last me at least half a decade? Like the 360 originally did![/footnote] It's just really limiting to newer games in comparison to what they could be. See: Battlefield, Crysis 1 & 2... any AAA game made post-2011.

Sure it's an improvement, but it's not future proofing at all; where future-proofing is what I wanted (especially in these hard economic times). Give us the true Xbox 720 with full HD capability, a quad core and backwards capability with the 360 through firmware & Live. Then I'll buy it and not have to worry about it limiting the software; and if it meets these conditions I wouldn't mind spending £300+ on it as it would be a worthy, valuable investment.

EDIT: Actually, after reading this in more detail I think I can just about let MS off the hook. 6x more powerful is a great improvement, and for the same price as a 360 slim today? Not bad. Not bad at all. Besides, through perfect optimisation over the years I'm sure it could keep up with the times. The 360's at it's peak over 6 years and that was pretty much in the same position.

 

[TG MLPDashie]

compared to Sony and every other electronic device for gaming having a new release?

 

[MercurySteam]

The next Xbox coming out Fall 2013 will utilize a midrange GPU released several months ago (AMD 6670). After 9 years waiting consoles will release a new machine still incapable of playing 1080p native at 60fps (good luck with any AA).

A HD6670 would easily make the next Xbox able to run games way better than they do now, with AA and at 1080p native. 30FPS has been fine for consoles so far so there's no point in bothering with 60FPS if you want your console to be reasonably priced. It should be able to last the new Xbox through another console generation so long as they don't stretch it out like they're doing with the current one.

 

[Westaway]

Fuck man, that's so fucking weak... I might switch to PC. I just might. I mean, it's not out yet, but it's outdated. Brilliant.

 

[Westaway]

The next Xbox coming out Fall 2013 will utilize a midrange GPU released several months ago (AMD 6670). After 9 years waiting consoles will release a new machine still incapable of playing 1080p native at 60fps (good luck with any AA).

A HD6670 would easily make the next Xbox able to run games way better than they do now, with AA and at 1080p native. 30FPS has been fine for consoles so far so there's no point in bothering with 60FPS if you want your console to be reasonably priced. It should be able to last the new Xbox through another console generation so long as they don't stretch it out like they're doing with the current one.

I really disagree about the 30 fps. It sucks. It really affects the quality and generally makes the whole expirience shittier. Atleast in my opinion.

 

[j0frenzy]

...And? Even if they put in the most advanced hardware of today, by the time they finished programming and mass-producing it would already be out of date and everyone with a tech fetish would be laughing at it. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

 

[MercurySteam]

The next Xbox coming out Fall 2013 will utilize a midrange GPU released several months ago (AMD 6670). After 9 years waiting consoles will release a new machine still incapable of playing 1080p native at 60fps (good luck with any AA).

A HD6670 would easily make the next Xbox able to run games way better than they do now, with AA and at 1080p native. 30FPS has been fine for consoles so far so there's no point in bothering with 60FPS if you want your console to be reasonably priced. It should be able to last the new Xbox through another console generation so long as they don't stretch it out like they're doing with the current one.

I really disagree about the 30 fps. It sucks. It really affects the quality and generally makes the whole expirience shittier. Atleast in my opinion.

Long time PC gamers will agree with you but if you have played consoles for most your life then it won't really matter to most people.

Fuck man, that's so fucking weak... I might switch to PC. I just might. I mean, it's not out yet, but it's outdated. Brilliant.

The HD6670 isn't that old and considering how crappy the 360's GPU compared to others at the time was when it came out, I'd say it's a pretty big step up. Consoles are not supposed to have the same hardware as enthusiast PCs, it would be cool if it had a HD6870 but sadly not if you want to pay a decent price.

 

[Furioso]

You know, over the years I have slowly been switching to the Sony side, but I was still excited with the possibility of a new Xbox, but now I guess I'll just fully embrace Sony as my go to console makers

 

[Baby Tea]

Tell me, what games play 1080p? some may have been upscaled to 1080p, but none play at 1080p native which is a MAJOR difference.

Well...

Spoiler: The following PS3 games are native 1080p:

Fifa Street 3
Full Auto 2 (demo)
God of War: Origins Collection
God of War Collection Volume II
Ico
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
MLB09: The Show
NBA07 (demo)
NBA08 (demo)
Ridge Racer 7 (demo)
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Virtua Tennis 3
World Series Of Poker 2008

Spoiler: The following PSN games are native 1080p:

1942: Joint Strike
Blast Factor
Commando 3
Echochrome
Elefunk
Fat Princess
Go Puzzle
High Velocity Bowling
Locoroco Cocoreccho
Pixel Junk Monsters/Racers/Eden
Rocketmen
Stardust HD
Sudoku
Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3

Spoiler: The following Xbox 360 games are native 1080p:

Fifa Street 3
NBA Street Home court (demo)
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Virtua Tennis 3

Not to mention all the games that are native 720p. And with this new hardware being 6x more powerful, that's looking great for consoles and this '1080p' thing that everyone finds so important. I personally think my current 360 games look and run awesome on my HDTV, so 6x more powerful is pretty awesome. Given the age of the current console tech, I think the devs have been doing flat-out amazing things. Watching what could be done with the 360 and PS3 from launch until now has been very fascinating to behold. So I can't wait for the next generation!

 

[MercurySteam]

Not to mention all the games that are native 720p. And with this new hardware being 6x more powerful, that's looking great for consoles and this '1080p' thing that everyone finds so important. I personally think my current 360 games look and run awesome on my HDTV, so 6x more powerful is pretty awesome. Given the age of the current console tech, I think the devs have been doing flat-out amazing things. Watching what could be done with the 360 and PS3 from launch until now has been very fascinating to behold. So I can't wait for the next generation!

I agree. If you showed me the kind of games that the 360 would be running in 2012 (like ME3) back in 2005 then I would've simply not believed you and called the police. The MS engineers did a great job with squeezing out as much performance as possible from the ATI Xenos and I think they could do even better with the HD6670. Also, it's true there's nothing wrong with 720p. I stream 720p movies to the Apple TV hooked up to my dad's home entertainment system and they look and sound amazing.

Here's to running games at 1080p native, with AA and at a steady 30FPS for five years or so on the next Xbox.

 

[Hazy992]

I can't afford a decent PC rig so to get something with these specs for the price of a slim is fine by me.

 

[Cronq]

The 6670 will bring the machine current, but given the 10 year life cycle this machine will be garbage in less than 5. The only reason this generation lasted so long was because they were overbuilt. It seems ms is taking Nintendo's path and releasing a machine that is already outdated.

 

[LooseNugget]

I wish people would realise that a console does not need as good specs as a PC as they do a lot more with a lot less.

I'd like to see a console run crysis on max, which my PC can, with ''a lot less''. They do 'worse with a lot less. Like everything else in the universe.

and you paid $300 (average console price) for your entire PC? That's probably the price of one of your video cards...

 

[Something Amyss]

Joystiq [http://www.joystiq.com/2012/01/24/report-next-gen-xbox-to-launch-october-november-2013-with-this/] has a story. But it all stems from a rumor on IGN [http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/24/xbox-720-will-be-six-times-as-powerful-as-current-gen].

Which is the problem. It's been accepted as fact.

That's good, it means PC gamers won't have to do too much upgrading for multiplatform releases.

Which is a bad thing if you ask a lot of gamers, since we get a weekly "PC GAMING IS HELD BACK BY CONSOLES!" Thread.

I'm going to withhold my own thoughts until it's verified. If it's verified.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

So many preemptive cries of failure for nothing more than speculation...

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Also, to comment on the retarded title, performance-wise, the iPhone 4 was already destroying the competition on a single core. Adding a second core has guaranteed it will stay the defacto standard in terms of phone performance all the way until the iPhone 5 comes out, not to mention it's camera rivals most modern high-end point-and-shoots.

And no, I'm not biased. I'm a hardcore Android guy (Evo 3D).

 

[ShindoL Shill]

I wish people would realise that a console does not need as good specs as a PC as they do a lot more with a lot less.

I'd like to see a console run crysis on max, which my PC can, with ''a lot less''. They do 'worse with a lot less. Like everything else in the universe.

i think what he was saying was more about upgrading. see, i've got a standard home PC from about 2009/2010. i can run games like Oblivion etc fine. Fallout 3 or Amnesia? I can run them. Except i need a specific graphics card. Consoles? my 360 can play Fallout 3 fine.

...And? Even if they put in the most advanced hardware of today, by the time they finished programming and mass-producing it would already be out of date and everyone with a tech fetish would be laughing at it. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

exactly. and why should we expect Microsoft and Sony to use hardware that got released fucking yesterday. that will ramp the price up. then (some) PC gamers will say "see, you may as well just get a gaming PC."