"Xbox Live accounts hit by email expiry blunder" because now "the RRoD problem is behind us"

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SuperPartyRobot

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Microsoft is investigating a serious system design flaw in its Xbox Live accounts system which is leaving some active Xbox 360 gamers with no choice but to start afresh with new Gamertags, deleting any achievements they may have accumulated in the past four years.

The problem stems from the Windows Live ID email address that's required to set up a Gold membership, and specifically those which are automatically set to expire after a period of inactivity, such as Hotmail.

If a user allows their Windows Live ID email to expire - perhaps because they use an alternative such as Gmail on a day-to-day basis - the email account is deleted, along with any Gamertag that may be associated with it, even if the user has set up additional non-Hotmail addresses in the meantime.

A Microsoft customer services representative confirmed the problem, apologising and adding: "The only alternative is to set up a new Gamertag with your preferred email address."

She added that there was no way around the problem, and that any achievement points gained were non-transferable, and would therefore be lost - despite any user affected still having an accurate, up-to-date profile existing on their own Xbox 360 hard drive.

GamesIndustry.biz has confirmed the problem exists with a relatively small percentage of users, and while the issue does not prevent gamers from playing offline with a Silver membership, it will prevent them from upgrading at any time to Gold status, effectively blocking any ongoing online multiplayer activity - one of the facets which made the service so popular in the first place.

Downloads from the Live Marketplace appear unaffected by the issue, which can be diagnosed via a '8015d080' error code when any new subscription attempt is made.

UPDATE: Microsoft issued this statement in response to a request for comment on the problem: "We are investigating this issue and don't have any further comment to make right now. Any consumer with any issues regarding their Xbox 360 or Xbox Live account should visit xbox.com/support or call their country's customer support number."


Ridiculous? Yes.
 

Hamster at Dawn

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This is ridiculous. I wish Microsoft would actually try and solve problems instead of just ignoring them and hoping that they'll go away.
 

Teh_Doomage

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I have to say, that sucks hard....

But Microsoft shouldn't ignore it like that...it's just not right.
 

SuperPartyRobot

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The best part about this is the fact that they make you lock into a Windows Live ID account in order to be on XBL and expect you to be active with it. One shouldn't affect the other. If we're paying to be on XBL these problems shouldn't exist. We shouldn't have to commit to an additional service, even if it's free. I understand Microsoft's stance in wanting to be profitable and introducing their Xbox customer base to other products they offer but it's not right to do it at the customer's expense.

...and I don't see the point in contacting MS support if this happens. What are they gonna tell you, "Sorry"???
 

sgtshock

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*Logs into Windows Live ID*
This kind of scares me. Especially because I rarely check my email.
 

AceDiamond

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You know I'm confused as to why this is Microsoft's fault. Seriously. Maybe it's because I used an email account I always have to use and thus it never goes idle, or maybe it's because I can see how this would be a problem that is hard to solve, but I cannot blame Microsoft. Yes maybe they should have checked for what happens when an email account gets deactivated or goes idle or whatever, but at the same time no beta test is perfect.
 

SuperPartyRobot

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AceDiamond said:
You know I'm confused as to why this is Microsoft's fault. Seriously. Maybe it's because I used an email account I always have to use and thus it never goes idle, or maybe it's because I can see how this would be a problem that is hard to solve, but I cannot blame Microsoft. Yes maybe they should have checked for what happens when an email account gets deactivated or goes idle or whatever, but at the same time no beta test is perfect.
The problem comes from the fact that MS makes it mandatory for you to sign up for a Windows Live ID account while registering for XBL. Then, they allow Windows Live to dictate the access of your profiles on XBL. The two should be separate, one should not affect the other. That is why this is considered a bug. I'm assuming what they'll do is try to change the Windows Live app so it doesn't affect your XBL account. Maybe by having Windows Live notify you through XBL that your current email address is invalid. Of course to do this we'll need a Windows Live update and a Xbox update.
 

Baby Tea

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Can we get a source for this?
I haven't logged into my Hotmail account used for my LIVE subscription in, literally, YEARS and I've had no problems.

If you're going to put something like this up, source it please.
 

SuperPartyRobot

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Baby Tea said:
Can we get a source for this?
I haven't logged into my Hotmail account used for my LIVE subscription in, literally, YEARS and I've had no problems.

If you're going to put something like this up, source it please.
ARTICLE LINK [http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/xbox-live-accounts-hit-by-email-expiry-blunder]
 

Baby Tea

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SuperPartyRobot said:
Baby Tea said:
Can we get a source for this?
I haven't logged into my Hotmail account used for my LIVE subscription in, literally, YEARS and I've had no problems.

If you're going to put something like this up, source it please.
ARTICLE LINK [http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/xbox-live-accounts-hit-by-email-expiry-blunder]
See, was that so hard?

Interesting. Well, I hope nothing changes for me, though I'm willing to bet that if it hasn't by now then it never will. That email is so freaking old.
 

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Seriously, it sounds like a slight programming oversight, a condition nobody thought of. Sure you anti-microsoft nuts may say this is MS way to get you to use the Live email, but us sane people realize it's that it's a simple error, and that MS now has to find a way to either make XBL-related Live account non-expire-able or to remove the idle-limit on all their accounts, which is bad for the servers. Which means they've got work to do. Maybe they'll make a new system available, maybe not. Time will tell.
 

KiLlErCoRn

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Kinda worried now, because i dont go on hotmail much anymore, dont know why, i just dont, butnow ill have to go to the inconvinience that i have to log on everyso often, and if i forget, well, lets just hope for the best...