Xbox One DRM Won't Deter Witcher 3 Studio

[In Search of Username]

This is why they're so great. Even when they disagree with everything the console is doing DRM-wise, they're still going to release it there so that anyone without a great PC can still get their hands on it. Good Guy CDProjekt

/applause

 

[AJey]

Then they should not cry when game gets pirated again.

This is why we can't have nice things. -.-

Yap... cause a simple comment pointing out the flaw of their decision is why we can't have nice things. Great logic!

 

[Quiotu]

I dont think CD Projeckt ever cried about their games getting pirated, in fact I think they said a while back that they would like people to play it first and formost, and if they enjoy it then to support the developer so they can make more games.

They did, a while back. They were talking about how their game was downloaded a lot from torrents. No one's perfect.
But I think actions speak louder than words. And so far CDPR is acting good.

That's not crying. Someone asked the CEO how many times they thought the game was pirated, and he made a quick calculation. Saying your game was pirated 4.5 million times isn't complaining, that's just stating a number. He even stands by the lack of DRM on their games despite this.

'In my almost 20 years in the industry, I have not seen DRM that really worked (i.e. did not complicate the life of the legal gamer and at the same time protect the game). We have seen a lot of different protections, but there are only two ways you can go: Either you use light DRM, which is cracked in no time and is not a major pain for the end-user, or you go the hard way and try to super-protect the game.

Yes, it is then hard to crack, but you start messing with the operation system, the game runs much slower and ? for a group of legal gamers ? it will not run at all. None of these solutions really work, so why not abandon it altogether?'

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/29/interview-cd-projekts-ceo-on-witcher-2-piracy-why-drms-still-not-worth-it/

How in God's name is that crying? That's just a CEO discussing the inevitability of piracy, and that he's OKAY WITH IT.

 

[Bat Vader]

I love CD Projekt Red. The Witcher 2 is a fantastic game and I can't wait for The Witcher 3. I plan purchasing the PC version when it is released.

 

[NKRevan]

Then they should not cry when game gets pirated again.

This is why we can't have nice things. -.-

Yap... cause a simple comment pointing out the flaw of their decision is why we can't have nice things. Great logic!

It's a flaw to give the game without DRM? So you are in support of MS and their anti-DRM policies. And Ubisoft's? And EA's?

Have CDPR cried before when the game got pirated? (See the post above for clarification on this)

Is it now suddenly OK to pirate a game because hey, there's no DRM, so they should expect it!

Gaming community cried for less DRM and wants publishers and dev's to be more trusting and yet when a company does just that, people come along and tell them to suck it up when their game gets stolen.

Great logic!

 

[AJey]

Then they should not cry when game gets pirated again.

This is why we can't have nice things. -.-

Yap... cause a simple comment pointing out the flaw of their decision is why we can't have nice things. Great logic!

It's a flaw to give the game without DRM? So you are in support of MS and their anti-DRM policies. And Ubisoft's? And EA's?

Have CDPR cried before when the game got pirated? (See the post above for clarification on this)

Is it now suddenly OK to pirate a game because hey, there's no DRM, so they should expect it!

Gaming community cried for less DRM and wants publishers and dev's to be more trusting and yet when a company does just that, people come along and tell them to suck it up when their game gets stolen.

Great logic!

Well, it's been a while seen I have seen such a dramatic misinterpretation of a simple sentence. Let me elucidate. With the things as they are in MS world, XBone is not gonna be on many people's shopping lists. However, XBox fans who dont want to buy new console but want to play the game, will most likely justify pirating said game by pointing at MS and calling them evil. I never said I condone piracy, I never mentioned I appreciated MS business practices. My comment was meant as a jab at Witcher's piracy history by making a correlation between said history and their business partnership with MS. In other words - I was not talking about DRM, I was talking about obvious conflict of interest between the two companies.

 

[mateushac]

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Well, it's been a while seen I have seen such a dramatic misinterpretation of a simple sentence. Let me elucidate. With the things as they are in MS world, XBone is not gonna be on many people's shopping lists. However, XBox fans who dont want to buy new console but want to play the game, will most likely justify pirating said game by pointing at MS and calling them evil. I never said I condone piracy, I never mentioned I appreciated MS business practices. My comment was meant as a jab at Witcher's piracy history by making a correlation between said history and their business partnership with MS. In other words - I was not talking about DRM, I was talking about obvious conflict of interest between the two companies.

Why would MS fanboys pirate the game if they do have versions available for PC, PS4 and XboxOne? Seriously, what else could CDPR do to prevent pirates from pirating? No DRM has ever prevented anyone from making bootleg copies.

Sure, the game will get pirated to hell, but so will every great game that launches on PC (and sooner or later on consoles too), no matter how much DRM you cram into it.

 

[AJey]

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Well, it's been a while seen I have seen such a dramatic misinterpretation of a simple sentence. Let me elucidate. With the things as they are in MS world, XBone is not gonna be on many people's shopping lists. However, XBox fans who dont want to buy new console but want to play the game, will most likely justify pirating said game by pointing at MS and calling them evil. I never said I condone piracy, I never mentioned I appreciated MS business practices. My comment was meant as a jab at Witcher's piracy history by making a correlation between said history and their business partnership with MS. In other words - I was not talking about DRM, I was talking about obvious conflict of interest between the two companies.

Why would MS fanboys pirate the game if they do have versions available for PC, PS4 and XboxOne? Seriously, what else could CDPR do to prevent pirates from pirating? No DRM has ever prevented anyone from making bootleg copies.

Sure, the game will get pirated to hell, but so will every great game that launches on PC (and sooner or later on consoles too), no matter how much DRM you cram into it.

Piracy is about excuses, finding a stupid thing to say and justify stealing intellectual property. When you release your game on an unattractive platform, you are creating an excuse to pirate it (no matter have silly that excuse might be).

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Can't argue with the logic. If you don't want to support xbox one crap DRM then buy it on one of the many other choices. I personally will PC this game to hell

This, except minus the "crap" portion of the comment.
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And if you don't like it, buy a PS4. Or a PC. You've got options! Don't get mad because OTHER people don't agree with YOUR choices.

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you've both basically made the same point, why the rant?

 

[RicoADF]

This, except minus the "crap" portion of the comment.

Frankly, I don't see why this is a big deal or issue. For those of us who care more about games than about how companies keep people from stealing them, the Xbox One has few flaws. I like the system, I like what it's trying to do, and I'm a grown man who will own BOTH systems and have a great PC. I have internet and that argument crying about "Oh wooooe! What if you don't have internet access?!? Logging in on a daily basis to verify my game's license! That's draconian booo hoo!"

Really??? Xbox is the go to system for most FPS gamers that want to play multiplayer games. That's not disputed. So who is it that doesn't have a reliable enough internet connection to allow their xbox to access it once a day? If you live in NORTH AMERICA or the WESTERN hemisphere, very, very few people can lodge this complaint. Nowadays this is life as we know it, step into the future. Always connected, wifi-plugged in.. this is the future of EVERYTHING.

And if you don't like it, buy a PS4. Or a PC. You've got options! Don't get mad because OTHER people don't agree with YOUR choices.

And let's not forget SONY's less than stellar history in regards to DRM combat. ROOT KIT anyone?? Do you think that if the Xbox pulls off what Microsoft is attempting to do that Sony won't follow suit immediately? And the developers are rightly so keeping their mouths shut about it because at the end of the day they know it means MORE profit for them, less for Gamestop and used games stores, which might be of tremendous delight and benefit to us broke-ass consumers, but are essentially leeches to developers that really would prefer their games to be bought at full price and to be compensated for each used sale.
If Gamestop didn't want this to happen, they should have voluntarily came up with a way to ensure developers got their cut of the resell pie. All the semantical arguments about "this is my game I bought it so I can sell it for whatever I want to whom I want Nyaaaah" sounds adorably quaint but it's a one-sided (and rather limited) perspective, considering apart from the initial money we paid for the game's purchase we had little involvement with its creation, and even less impact on its success.

First off your missing an important part, that while your net (and mine and most others) may always be on, theirs wont. Weather it be a technical issue or not, eventually they will switch them off, which then kills all games and consoles. I do not accept that Ford can turn up one day and steal my car, nor would I allow Parramount walk in and steal my copy of Star Trek when they wanted, so neither will I let Microsoft steal my games in 10 years (or whenever it is) when they turn off the system and say "tough luck, upgrade".

Second, how you can think that game companies get some special permission to demand money from second hand games when everything else can freely be traded and by most countries laws must be able to be traded freely is beyond me, do you really believe that customers have no rights? I know America has some weird laws regarding consumer rights but even by American standards this is rediculas and gamestop is not in the wrong to be providing a service to resell games, it's what our economy runs off. I don't buy used games (unless its old games that aren't sold anymore), but even I won't accept them being stopped out of American corporate greed on principle alone.

No it isn't one sided, its the way economy works and how everything else is sold, traded and resold, it's how items have a value and are worth purchasing knowing you can give them to a friend once done or resell. Only the ignorant would accept the crap that publishers are spinning, I get that they want more money but they make millions if not billions every year, they need to stop wasting it on DRM/used game restrictions, and start budgeting accordingly. Theres a reason that Rockstar, who make only a few games every few years, is rolling in money. They budget accordingly and make excellent games that people want. Theres no excuse for not being able to do that.

 

[LordMonty]

Great answer... its going to be how this age of gaming unfolds true enough. Speak with what you buy, pc for total freedom, ps4 for freedom in the regaurd of not doing anything newly offensive and xbox for simply taking the cronic piss out of us consumers... again sad they've polarized us more so than ever...

Here's dreaming sony studios produces the halo tv show want to watch it on my ps4 for irony's sake.

 

[bigfatcarp93]

I have a feeling we may see this repeat with other devs. They know how the Big Names' decisions are fucking them over, and I don't think many of them will stand for it.

Captcha: One upon a time

Yes... once upon a time we didn't have to worry about all this.

 

[infohippie]

Then they should not cry when game gets pirated again.

They never have cried about it. Unlike most publishers they realise that a minor amount of piracy is simply an expected cost of doing business and not worth alienating the far larger mass of paying customers over.

 

[Fox12]

Can't argue with the logic. If you don't want to support xbox one crap DRM then buy it on one of the many other choices. I personally will PC this game to hell

This, except minus the "crap" portion of the comment.

Frankly, I don't see why this is a big deal or issue. For those of us who care more about games than about how companies keep people from stealing them, the Xbox One has few flaws. I like the system, I like what it's trying to do, and I'm a grown man who will own BOTH systems and have a great PC. I have internet and that argument crying about "Oh wooooe! What if you don't have internet access?!? Logging in on a daily basis to verify my game's license! That's draconian booo hoo!"

Really??? Xbox is the go to system for most FPS gamers that want to play multiplayer games. That's not disputed. So who is it that doesn't have a reliable enough internet connection to allow their xbox to access it once a day? If you live in NORTH AMERICA or the WESTERN hemisphere, very, very few people can lodge this complaint. Nowadays this is life as we know it, step into the future. Always connected, wifi-plugged in.. this is the future of EVERYTHING.

And if you don't like it, buy a PS4. Or a PC. You've got options! Don't get mad because OTHER people don't agree with YOUR choices.

And let's not forget SONY's less than stellar history in regards to DRM combat. ROOT KIT anyone?? Do you think that if the Xbox pulls off what Microsoft is attempting to do that Sony won't follow suit immediately? And the developers are rightly so keeping their mouths shut about it because at the end of the day they know it means MORE profit for them, less for Gamestop and used games stores, which might be of tremendous delight and benefit to us broke-ass consumers, but are essentially leeches to developers that really would prefer their games to be bought at full price and to be compensated for each used sale.
If Gamestop didn't want this to happen, they should have voluntarily came up with a way to ensure developers got their cut of the resell pie. All the semantical arguments about "this is my game I bought it so I can sell it for whatever I want to whom I want Nyaaaah" sounds adorably quaint but it's a one-sided (and rather limited) perspective, considering apart from the initial money we paid for the game's purchase we had little involvement with its creation, and even less impact on its success.

The main issue is that most people want to own their content, not license it. Eventually the Xbox one servers will be closed down, and the consul will be useless. I still play older games, and the idea that I'm effectively renting a game at full price is insulting.THE Xbox isn't cheaper then the PS3, despite placing huge emphasis on digital content. This is inexcusable. If they wanted to undercut Sony with digital media they could, but at this point they still haven't. This is simple greed. At least Sony embraces trading games and used games. They emphasize more with cash strapped buyers then the Xbox does. The Xbox barely even supports indi games, which are typically cheaper.

The main issue is that the xbox is taking away consumer choices. Sony stepped in and offered an alternative, and they have gained support as a result. It's classic capitalism at work. People have the right to their opinion. You can buy the Xbox, that's fine. Personally I will buy the PS3, and so will many others. However, it is not childish or juvenile to want ownership over the things I purchased, especially when I spend so much for a single game.

You say consumers perspectives are limited, but of course consumers are going to take a position that benefits them. It's the companies job to impress us, not the other way around. If they impress us enough, then we will consider purchasing their merchandise. However, they have no right to complain about failure due to their bad business practices, or their rights as producers, when their troubles are self created. I'm a consumer, I was not impressed by them, so I'll take my business elsewhere. I don't owe Microsoft anything.

 

[lacktheknack]

Then they should not cry when game gets pirated again.

They don't. If they did, THEY WOULDN'T RUN THE BIGGEST DAMN DRM-FREE DISTRIBUTOR ON THE WHOLE GODDAMNED INTERNET.

They're just disappointed when it happens, as they should be.

 

[Abomination]

You know we've come full circle when it's the Polish who seem to be the smartest in the business.

In Europe the joke is Polish people are stupid. I do not know how they came to that conclusion but it's sort of like the jokes about Blondes or Irish people.

Yet here they are, being smarter than everyone else. Behaving in a practical manner and reaping massive consumer confidence and loyalty.

One simply can not sing their praises enough.

 

[DarkhoIlow]

PC all the way for me.

I can't wait to get my hands on a collector's edition. I keep hoping that they won't be swayed by anyone and keep making great games.

 

[NKRevan]

Then they should not cry when game gets pirated again.

This is why we can't have nice things. -.-

Yap... cause a simple comment pointing out the flaw of their decision is why we can't have nice things. Great logic!

It's a flaw to give the game without DRM? So you are in support of MS and their anti-DRM policies. And Ubisoft's? And EA's?

Have CDPR cried before when the game got pirated? (See the post above for clarification on this)

Is it now suddenly OK to pirate a game because hey, there's no DRM, so they should expect it!

Gaming community cried for less DRM and wants publishers and dev's to be more trusting and yet when a company does just that, people come along and tell them to suck it up when their game gets stolen.

Great logic!

Well, it's been a while seen I have seen such a dramatic misinterpretation of a simple sentence. Let me elucidate. With the things as they are in MS world, XBone is not gonna be on many people's shopping lists. However, XBox fans who dont want to buy new console but want to play the game, will most likely justify pirating said game by pointing at MS and calling them evil. I never said I condone piracy, I never mentioned I appreciated MS business practices. My comment was meant as a jab at Witcher's piracy history by making a correlation between said history and their business partnership with MS. In other words - I was not talking about DRM, I was talking about obvious conflict of interest between the two companies.

Then my bad on misunderstanding. Apologies. I missed the sarcasm/jab.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I love that he basically said "choose whatever you want, but know that PC rules!"