Xcom Publisher: Strategy Games Are Not Contemporary

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CD-R

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Sober Thal said:
CD-R said:
Like I told the last guy:

So what, you want a squad you can customize that you level up their different classes? You want to be able to choose to either capture alien tech and use it then and there or choose to take it back to your base and research it? You want tactics? You want to pull the camera back and see what's going on and use time units?

Would this make you happy??

I warn you.... he says Uh uhm a lot of times, but it's all in the game.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-xcom/715991

I would guess flying power armor would be something you researched from alien tech, eh? It could easily be in this game.

I just am appalled that so many people are giving a game that is trying to think outside the 'CoD box' so much hate. I get that there are fans, but the last few X-Com games are some of the worst things to have ever existed. At least give them some credit for moving in a better direction, and give the game a chance in 9 months.
I want to send a blaster bomb up a chryssalid's ass. I want to punch a muton in the face. I want to light a reaper on fire with a minigun that can shoot fire and explosions.

http://www.xcomufo.com/x1ufopaedia/pics/big/shot0022.png

I want shoot down an alien terror ship over Antarctica. I want threaten to tear a snakeman commander's gissalgan out if he doesn't tell me where the alien stronghold is. (Seriously alien interrogation mini game I could get behind that) I want to mind control a floater and make him shoot three of his buddies.

There's tons of potential and exciting new directions you could have taken this series. Like using the alien surgery technology to make cyborgs.

Or using the alien reproduction technology to make vat grown super soldiers why not.

http://www.xcomufo.com/x1ufopaedia/pics/big/shot0103.png

If 2k wanted us to judge this game on it's own merits then they should not have attached the X-Com name to it. Since they decided to call it an X-Com game then I'm going to judge it on whether or not it is a good X-Com game. It could very well be an alright shooter. But right now it's not shaping up to be a good X-Com game and there's no way they could possibly alter the game enough in 9 months to make it something fans of the older series can recognize. Again Fallout 3 may have been more of a shooter but you could still tell it was a Fallout game.
 

Lenriak

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HAHAHA, oh thats nice, turn-based strategy games are dead are they?

HINT 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miniature_wargames
HINT 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_board_wargames
(I wish there was a way to remove the dead franchises from those lists, or find a list of still-on-the-market games)

And to think that some of these newer games (and the big name older ones) are still being sold and played (by at least a few more than 10 people) today... thats just... SHOCKING!!! :D

AND JUST FOR FUN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_turn-based_strategy_video_games
(oh noes, there selling TBS games, that there's madness, MADNESS!!! lol)

Theres no reason to not make a new TBS game, there just being lazy, greedy, selling out in the name of XCom, and making a frikken Bioshock Mod - and if modders were giving the tools (I don't know if there is any Bioshock editors or whatever made available, I dont care for Bioshock) they'd probably do a better job of an FPS-XCom mod too (if anybody actually wanted that.)
 

Antari

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Well 2k games is on my perminant do not buy list then. If they think this is the game I want. They are dead wrong.
 

The3rdEye

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NotSoNimble said:
Sober Thal said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
So what, you want a squad you can customize that you level up their different classes? You want to be able to choose to either capture alien tech and use it then and there or choose to take it back to your base and research it? You want tactics? You want to pull the camera back and see what's going on and use time units?

Would this make you happy??

I warn you.... he says Uh uhm a lot of times, but it's all in the game.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-xcom/715991
Give it up. People here just want to hate this game. They still love thier ancient turn based games. Fallout 3 had a lot of the same miguided hate. Maybe when the game is released they will see how this could be a really good game.
It's not a question of change, it's that they're looking for excuses to "borrow" the X-com title.

It was Turn Based Strategy and Real-time Strategy, now it's an FPS.
It had entire squads of soldiers that you had control over, now it has a couple squadmates that you can give orders to.
It took some control out of your hands saying "Your soldier is only so proficient with this weapon, he has a XX% chance to hit", now it's "Pick your power from this Mass Effect wheel".

Here's what pisses me off: "Why did they need to call it X-com at all if they were to change so much?" Better to create their OWN title and refer to it as a spiritual successor to X-com. Fans would still argue, but it could then still be considered it's own game. Can you honestly state that it's not just cheap publicity?

It all falls directly below
"Your mother hates this"
 

kebab4you

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So now they are saying it is part of the series? I thought they had back-pedaled before saying that it was Xcom and not X-com. I am not buying this game cause it is an obvious cash in. What part of this game is anything along the lines of the old X-com. Nothing that I've seen so far that could be seriously considered.
Well... we got the name, right?

And how can you make an x-com game and not include any of the fucking original aliens?

I think spoony summed it up pretty well why this is not a real x-com game:
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2011/06/16/e3-2011-xcom/ (Not the Betrayal! clip)
 

Weaver

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Vibhor said:
Sober Thal said:
So what, you want a squad you can customize that you level up their different classes? You want to be able to choose to either capture alien tech and use it then and there or choose to take it back to your base and research it? You want tactics? You want to pull the camera back and see what's going on and use time units?

Would this make you happy??

I warn you.... he says Uh uhm a lot of times, but it's all in the game.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-xcom/715991
What I want is this,
-Destructible buildings and doodads.
-The hopeless and "you-are-fucked" atmosphere of the previous games
-I want my humans to be squishy and easily killed without armor
-I want a squad of absolutely normal humans.
-I want to sneak up on aliens and tase them.
-I want a deep research system that actually impacts your success rate.
-I want an organization that is not American but actually international
-And lastly, I want a story that actually makes sense and doesn't disregard every point the previous games were trying to make.

Also, you had no such thing as level up in Xcom, it was more like use to increase skill system but it didn't matter, the humans didn't survive that long to train their skills to max.

EDIT: Funny thing, the first thing on your list reeks mass effect not Xcom. Before you ignore my post/reply to me, I would like to ask, have you ever played Xcom ufo defense?
I want terror missions at night. I want to shoot down ships and explore the wreckage while the aliens inside hold up and try to fend off my advance. I want to hire my own research teams and fund them, then hire my own engineers to fund my own development; all alongside my alien research teams of course. I want to build them housing to stay in, I want to manage my supplies (munitions and elsewise).

I want teams of 12 people. I want to scream in agony as my veteran sergeant of 10 missions finally meets his demise at the hands of a lucky ass grenade because dammit, I really started to like that guy. I WANT TO BASE MY OPERATIONS IN ANY COUNTRY I WANT.

Most importantly; I want to lose. This is something I know will not be prevalent in this game because modern games seem to be so focused on pandering and coddling. I want to get fucked and get fucked hard. I want to do a mission where my whole team just gets wiped the hell out because I was just not ready for it. I want those civilians in a terror mission to all die/get abducted simply because I wasn't good enough. That was just as much of X-Com as any other part of the game - you truly felt successful when you succeeded. When you planned your bases well so that alien invasions would go over smoothly it was a great feeling. When you took out every alien and took no casualties on your team you felt like god damn Napoleon leading your troops to a resounding victory.
 

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Sober Thal said:
The last (one or two) X-Com games were 3rd person space marine 'crap' in most peoples opinions. Nothing like the originals. This game is more akin to the originals than they were by far.

Seriously, the last two games deserve this rage, not this one.
They received there rage when it was their time. What this game is doing is copying exactly what the last two Xcom games did. Do you think it is not rage worthy?

EDIT: Also, only one of the last two games was a space marine crap and it was a bad game in general whereas the second game was a space combat sim and was pretty good(but was crap as it carried the name of Xcom)
 

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Coming off the Dawn of War III thread, I can safely say Mr. Hartmann is full of shit. This comment's basically caused me to lose whatever respect I had for 2k's treatment of the franchise when I realized their strange sequel/reboot was actually starting to look pretty good.

Also, saying that was a fucking terrible idea from a PR standpoint. Rather than trying to rectify things with the hardcore X-COM fans who took issue with this sequel, he's successfully alienated pretty much all of them by telling them their interests are outdated and they need to move on. Enjoy those couple thousand non-sales.

Oh, and just as an aside, I'd rather listen to Ray Charles than Kanye West any day of the week.
 

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AC10 said:
Most importantly; I want to lose. This is something I know will not be prevalent in this game because modern games seem to be so focused on pandering and coddling. I want to get fucked and get fucked hard. I want to do a mission where my whole team just gets wiped the hell out because I was just not ready for it. I want those civilians in a terror mission to all die/get abducted simply because I wasn't good enough. That was just as much of X-Com as any other part of the game - you truly felt successful when you succeeded. When you planned your bases well so that alien invasions would go over smoothly it was a great feeling. When you took out every alien and took no casualties on your team you felt like god damn Napoleon leading your troops to a resounding victory.
Very well stated and an excellent message for the industry to take note of as a whole. Hats off to you sir
 

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Sober Thal said:
CriticKitten said:
Sober Thal said:
I just am appalled that so many people are giving a game that is trying to think outside the 'CoD box' so much hate. I get that there are fans, but the last few X-Com games are some of the worst things to have ever existed. At least give them some credit for moving in a better direction, and give the game a chance in 9 months.
wut.

So because the last few games were bad (in your opinion), leaving your franchise's genre and becoming an FPS has earned them "credit"? We should "give the game a chance" and "judge it on its own merits" for using an IP that it bears no resemblance to, for the sole purpose of getting attention?

I've never played an X-Com game in my entire life, and I not only completely disagree with you, but I'm willing to go so far as to say that this game deserves no chance. No free ride. It deserves every last bit of criticism it's receiving right now, and it will deserve the inevitable poor ratings and dismal sales it will enjoy as an utterly derivative, unoriginal FPS that claims to have "tactical elements" in it.

But since it's okay to take an IP and change its genre without any regard for the source material, I have an idea. Some people didn't like the direction Halo Reach and Halo ODST took, right? So let's ask 343 Industries to make Halo 4 into a platforming game with a heavy emphasis on puzzle-solving! And for a setting, how about we set this new game in America during the Civil War? Oh, it'll be such a great game. What's that? Fans of the original Halo are hating on it? Why, they shouldn't judge it so harshly, because they're just trying to move the franchise in a much better direction. :p

See how ridiculous this gets when you think about it for more than five seconds?
The last (one or two) X-Com games were 3rd person space marine 'crap' in most peoples opinions. Nothing like the originals. This game is more akin to the originals than they were by far.

Seriously, the last two games deserve this rage, not this one.
People were crazy pissed off at X-Com: Enforcer when it came out too.
It's just the way things go.
 

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So they are saying, rather than release a classic loved IP as a new iteration of itself, in a market that starved for that genre, they are completely changing it and throwing it into THE most overpopulated genre imaginable..
 

Cedar

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Honestly, I think Spoony put it in the best words ever...

http://youtu.be/nF_Ca45JRFs

BETRAYAL!!!!!!
 

Nesrie

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What a joke. This doesn't even look like a good FPS game at the moment. The excuse is terrible. And incase this guy at 2K hasn't heard, not all black singers sing rap. OMG.
 

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Waaghpowa said:
I guess that means that Starcraft is due for a reboot as a shooter as well? (Now that I think of it, a shooter based in the Starcraft universe would be pretty cool...) I don't see any of this working out too well. It's not necessarily what today's gamers want, it's what they think will sell better.
So what you're saying is... Halo? Couldn't help trying to draw attention to the similarities, but in all honesty, if the flood were actually made a playable faction in Halo Wars, it would have completed it's destiny of totally ripping off Starcraft. Depending on your outlook, that might have been a good thing.

I have to say that I have no connection whatsoever to the old series that this is about. But when I saw this article about someone gabbing off about how the strategy genre doesn't connect with the modern market, I couldn't help but think, "Is this why space flight Sims no longer exists? Because of some thoughtless moron who thought that it was more lucrative to try muscling in on the turf of ruthless mighty warlords (Halo, CoD, GoW,BF) who would castrate him at a moments notice, rather than staying in the mountains, were he could control the tide of battle on his own land?" The shooter genre is beyond saturation because of the AAA titles that always get the most fanfare at E3, which makes jumping into this with such a small title tantamount to suicide!
 

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Greg Tito said:
He continued explaining his position through a comparison to the music business. "I use the example of music artists. Look at someone old school like Ray Charles, if he would make music today it would still be Ray Charles but he would probably do it more in the style of Kanye West. Bringing Ray Charles back is all fine and good, but it just needs to move on, although the core essence will still be the same."

lmao, excuse me while I put in my Ray Charles CD and add to the 148+ hours I've spent in Civ V. I hope they realize no one is buying this Xcom game. I cant wait until they re-release that X-Com game though, heard those were good.

I'm also pretty sure that that free to play League of Legends RTS game makes more money then this Xcom game could ever dream of making.
 

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So this is just following up on the huge success of updating Duke Nukem to what contemporary gamers want?