Yahtzee's Little Inconsistencies

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Still Life

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I'm pretty sure Yahtzee reviews games on there own merits, whilst using precedents set by games he considers "benchmarks" in game design. I actually like the way he focuses on the negative and flawed aspects of the respective game, as it gives me a clearer idea of what to expect when considering a purchase. Of course, I seek out other sources of information, but I nonetheless value Yahtzee's opinion as a consumer.

I find him no more contrarian than, say: IGN, Gamespot, PC Gamer... etc.
 

Cadaverezzi

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DarkenedWolfEye said:
There was the opening line in the Oblivion review where he said "You know me, I'm a twitchy, instant gratification kind of gamer; the sort who isn't happy unless there's a gun the size of a motorbike in his hands and a severed alien willy bouncing off the front of his space helmet."
But in his Halo: Reach review, he said he'd never really liked Halo - which is exactly the sort of game he claimed to like.
And in his Psychonauts review, he said "Psychonauts seems like a rather polarizing game in that some people seem to think it's the kind of think Jesus would make if he was alive and wasn't a pussy and some other people seem to think it's a chunky vomit milkshake severely overhyped by the people in Party A. Which group you'll fall into depends if you're the kind of misty-eyed, games-are-art hippie who can allow things like excellent storytelling and charming artistic direction excuse a few gameplay issues, or if you're the kind of twitching, Ritalin-popping X-Box owner who falls into a narcoleptic coma when they go without killing something for forty-five seconds."
There he is, claiming to be in Party A and making fun of Party B, while later claiming to belong to Party B.
Admittedly, these two quotes were made nine months apart, and opinions can change in nine months, but doing full one-eighties is a bit of a stretch.
But let's be perfectly honest here: He's not paid to point out all the good things and offer a counterpoint for every point he makes. He's paid to complain about a game's flaws in a funny way, or make fun of the game's good bits, even make fun of himself, and at the end, say whether or not he likes it when all the jokes have been made. So being inconsistent is pretty much unavoidable. And it's a necessary sacrifice for intelligent humor.
I think he was being sarcastic when he said "You know me, I'm a twitchy, instant gratification kind of gamer; the sort who isn't happy unless there's a gun the size of a motorbike in his hands and a severed alien willy bouncing off the front of his space helmet."
 

Brutal Peanut

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Well, Yahtzee hates most of the games I play anyway -but I still watch him. Not for
any other reason but to laugh at his heavily metaphored critiques. Sometimes I take
something away, but rarely, since I know what I love even if he doesn't think I should
love it.

As for inconsistencies I haven't delved that deeply into the videos with pen and paper,
to try and pick apart an internet critics comedic opinions that are fueled towards negativity.

However, I think the inconsistencies are there, because he doesn't 'research' and compare
them exactly level with his other videos. Yes, he may make a comment back to
another review, but I think it's just a comment vaguely remembered.

He reviews it as he sees it.
 

MiracleOfSound

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Why care if he has inconsistencies?

His job is to make us chuckle, as long as he does that it's cool with me.
 

Vrex360

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I remember he said that he could respect the fact that Skate 2 was a game for Skaters and that if they wanted to make something for the 'peeps' without having to make it available to everyone else he had no problem with that.

But then he spends a good deal of time, retrospectively at least, complaining about how Halo: Reach was not accessible to the layman. That anyone going in there for the first time would have no idea what was going on or who the significant characters are or anything about the Covenant or Spartans.

So in other words, Skate 2 gets away with it but Halo: Reach has to be available for someone other than the Halo fanbase...


Note: I may have misread his Halo: Reach retrospective after the review so please don't hate on me if I got it wrong.


That said, I don't think too much about the inconsistencies, I mostly just go for the laughs.
 

TheSteeleStrap

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I'll give you the first point. As for your second point, are you sure he didn't make fun of them because they sound like stupid ideas? I haven't played either of the games you used in your examples but they sound kinda dumb on paper.
 

DarkenedWolfEye

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Cadaverezzi said:
I think he was being sarcastic when he said "You know me, I'm a twitchy, instant gratification kind of gamer; the sort who isn't happy unless there's a gun the size of a motorbike in his hands and a severed alien willy bouncing off the front of his space helmet."
He might have been; you can never tell, he sounds sarcastic all the time.
 

repeating integers

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I mostly just watch the guy's reviews for laughs. He's a comedian, not a game reviewer.

Having said that, there is this one inconsistency which sticks out like a sore thumb and makes me a bit annoyed.

He claims to hate online multiplayer in all games. He will never review a game's mutiplayer.

Except Team Fortress 2. He gave that a good review, and it's multiplayer only.

Where's the nearest wall? I want to smash my own face in with it.
 

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DarkenedWolfEye said:
There was the opening line in the Oblivion review where he said "You know me, I'm a twitchy, instant gratification kind of gamer; the sort who isn't happy unless there's a gun the size of a motorbike in his hands and a severed alien willy bouncing off the front of his space helmet."
But in his Halo: Reach review, he said he'd never really liked Halo - which is exactly the sort of game he claimed to like.
Trust me, you can love games where you have guns the size of motorbikes and a severed alien willy bouncing off the front of your space helmet and be completely bored with Halo.

Being bored with Halo is a fairly common occurrence with PC gamers, because we'd already played a bazillion FPS about an armored space marine blowing up aliens before. And the game really isn't that hardcore. Serious Sam (a game I think Yahtzee enjoyed) had you running around with a fucking cannon that shot out regulation cannonballs and looked so heavy he was probably required to undergo a bionic spine operation just to carry it around. But it was so totally worth it to see a dozen or more (no hyperbole) enemies go flying when you fired it off.

Fucking Spartans are hippie-loving pussies next to Sam.
 

redisforever

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Yeah, in the HD version, if you shoot a cannon at a Werebull, it will split into 3 big chunks of meat with an aweome squelching sound effect. Then, if you shoot it at a row of werebulls charging at you...

By the way, this is a werebull:

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/17166/1207930-sirianwerebull_large.png
 

thepyrethatburns

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Okay, it has been pointed out that, since Painkiller has a gun that shoots shurikens and lightning, that I should not have been surprised at the time.

Delightful said:
I hear ya. Of course, Yahtzee says in quite a few reviews that he considers himself a force for positive change. Something about how critics are necessary for things to improve. And I assume that those high-minded aspirations suffer a few hiccups if his critiques don't match up with one another. Most of the time, I think they do, but there are a few times where they don't.

I guess those aspirations could just be part of the joke, and maybe Yahtzee really doesn't care at all about games or critiquing or providing real insight... but I don't buy that.
I don't recall that part but that sounds like when he briefly went through his self-important phase (something that he still occasionally does in his Extra Punctuations). I don't really buy that. I think that, sometimes, he says things like that to deflect criticism or because people are beginning to call him out on things. For example, when he did an Extra Punctuation for the Conduit and said:

This may seem like flipflopping all over the place but I can honestly support the idea of the Wii.

And, much like the SSBB mailbag episode when someone started with "I'm not a fanboy", I had an immediate reaction of "No, you don't". I suspect that he said that only because people were beginning to call him out on hating everything on the Wii.

As a sidenote, during that period, I didn't care that he hates the Wii so much as I cared that he was "copy-pasting" roughly half his videos with the same "I hate the Wii" comments. Many jokes lose their humor upon multiple retellings.

Brutal Peanut said:
As for inconsistencies I haven't delved that deeply into the videos with pen and paper,
to try and pick apart an internet critics comedic opinions that are fueled towards negativity.
That's probably why I only remember the Painkiller one. That was the only time I recall myself even noticing the inconsistency of it.

But that's why I get for underestimating the power of a game that shoots shurikens and lightning.
 

Frenger

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He do something you all do at some point(or, rather, all the bloody time), how is this bad or inconsistant? It's perfectly sane and why people are nitpicking on his "reviews" is beyond me. And every comparison so far have been superficial at best.

Can you love one game and hate another, even if it shares the same elements? Well of course you ¤&#¤&#¤ing can! Do you really have to explain this? He hated Halo, but loved Half-life? So, what's the problem? They are two separate games! I hate CoD with a passion, but love Battlefield, do I have to like both of them because they have so much in common? Well, of course not, that would be silly.

What was this about?
 

Tearopenthelives

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Not played PoP but I believe the difference comes from that fact that PoP makes try the same thing again until done

Fable does not.
 

For.I.Am.Mad

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The fact that you started with the Smash Bros review makes your point suspect. People get weird about that review.
 

AtmaPhil

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I though Zero punctuation was a comedy/parody not meant to be taken seriously at all. Trying to find inconsistencies in there is like trying to find them in shows like family guy.
 

Tinybear

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Yahtzee has one job: Complain. And truth be told, he's starting to wear thin on that field. If the game has a sandbox, he complains, if it's linear, he'll complain. He will complain about having to skill up, or not having the option to do so. He will start complaining about the NPC's that annoy him, he will complain about ANYTHING.

If the game requires any skills, he'll start saying that the game is a buttonmashing contest where the most effective one is spam X. I seriously doubt his skills when it comes to certain genres, it just shines through, because some of the games where he says that you only need to use "skill a" repeatably, it really isn't effective at all compared to proper skill management from my experience.