Yay! Let's bastardize an entire culture!
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really?
that my friend is a goal impossible to reach. why? simple: the human race is bigoted and flawed and arrogant and we FUCKING NEED the apocalypse. now. as that is the only thing that will eradicate the racist bastards.
aside from that we NEED something to mock, to look down laugh at cuz you know what my friend?
life is shit. and truly saint patty is americas FUCK OFF AND LET US BE HAPPY DAY. its retarded
but you have no idea how nessasary.
really?
that my friend is a goal impossible to reach. why? simple: the human race is bigoted and flawed and arrogant and we FUCKING NEED the apocalypse. now. as that is the only thing that will eradicate the racist bastards.
aside from that we NEED something to mock, to look down laugh at cuz you know what my friend?
life is shit. and truly saint patty is americas FUCK OFF AND LET US BE HAPPY DAY. its retarded
but you have no idea how nessasary.
Ah poor little wee man. Thats too bad, Im going to drink and party and do a bad Irish accent.
really just get over it man, lots of countries have just ridiculous stereotypes, and all countries have had their culture ruined in someway. live and let live man, if people want to drink to celebrate little Irish in all of us then let them. Live and let live man.
really just get over it man, lots of countries have just ridiculous stereotypes, and all countries have had their culture ruined in someway. live and let live man, if people want to drink to celebrate little Irish in all of us then let them. Live and let live man.
The Catholics I know are all staying on lint, and the atheists I know are getting wasted right now.
It has no bearing on the holiday whatsoever. Its become entirely Americanized.
It has no bearing on the holiday whatsoever. Its become entirely Americanized.
I understand completely what you're getting at. I myself never saw what the big deal about this 'holiday' was. From what I understand, its supposed to be a celebration of Irish culture, but all I see people do is dress up in ridiculous green outfits and get completely plastered. All this says to me is that Irish people are either the worlds worst dressers and are never, ever sober, or that the rest of Irish culture isn't worth exploring.
Now, I'm not expert on foreign cultures, but I'd wager that there's more to Irish culture than clovers, green vests, and beer. So, why does it seem like this is the only thing to manifest itself when the 'celebrations' begin? Is it because people just want an excuse to drink? Really, people have gotten themselves pissed over less exciting things than a long-dead Roman-British missionary; I highly doubt you need an specific day annually set aside for this sort of thing.
So, if St. Patrick's Day is not really a celebration of Irish culture, and if its not really a good excuse to get drunk, then why do people go apeshit over it? Is Ireland/drinking really such a big deal?
Right, I'm done now. I think I'll go complain about something else now.
Now, I'm not expert on foreign cultures, but I'd wager that there's more to Irish culture than clovers, green vests, and beer. So, why does it seem like this is the only thing to manifest itself when the 'celebrations' begin? Is it because people just want an excuse to drink? Really, people have gotten themselves pissed over less exciting things than a long-dead Roman-British missionary; I highly doubt you need an specific day annually set aside for this sort of thing.
So, if St. Patrick's Day is not really a celebration of Irish culture, and if its not really a good excuse to get drunk, then why do people go apeshit over it? Is Ireland/drinking really such a big deal?
Right, I'm done now. I think I'll go complain about something else now.
God I know. My grandmother was born and raised in Ireland, and every St. Patrick's Day, she tells me about how she'll sit outside on the balcony and laugh at the idiots who think they're accurately portraying the values of our culture.
AxCx said:
I truly sympathise. I just used Germans as an example because it isn't as common as it used to be, and I certainly hope I'd get in trouble if I did that.
I think people have a right to do this. The problem I have is with people doing this and then claiming that they are doing it in the name of a god they don't believe in or a ceremony they have defiled. Celebrate christmas by all means - get presents and have a fun get-together with the family. All dandy. But don't say you're doing it because of God.
Also, I to have noticed how racism is re-emerging. Of course, even that is better then the politically-correct 90s, as long as it is small-scale, and nationality is always fun to poke fun at. But sometimes these days it does get out of hand. I'm Scottish, and I get nothing but lip for it, about haggis and kilts and bagpipes. What about the fact that we were one of the only civilizations who held off the Romans? How about thatt our nation, with a total population of less then England's capital city, held off the English for over a century until politicians sold us out? how about that we invented the engine that fueled the transition to modern society, or the telephone, or the television, or the bike, or the radar, or penicillin? How about that we cloned Dolly? But no-one remembers this.
This might seem like a nationalist rant, but the point I'm getting at is that many nations, no matter their achievments, are being belittled and ridiculed for rediculous stereotypes.
Also, I to have noticed how racism is re-emerging. Of course, even that is better then the politically-correct 90s, as long as it is small-scale, and nationality is always fun to poke fun at. But sometimes these days it does get out of hand. I'm Scottish, and I get nothing but lip for it, about haggis and kilts and bagpipes. What about the fact that we were one of the only civilizations who held off the Romans? How about thatt our nation, with a total population of less then England's capital city, held off the English for over a century until politicians sold us out? how about that we invented the engine that fueled the transition to modern society, or the telephone, or the television, or the bike, or the radar, or penicillin? How about that we cloned Dolly? But no-one remembers this.
This might seem like a nationalist rant, but the point I'm getting at is that many nations, no matter their achievments, are being belittled and ridiculed for rediculous stereotypes.
Z4N5H1N said:
I'm not saying any of that hippy crap, I'm saying that every race is equal. And if you're against that, then there is a serious problem here.
z(ombie)fan said:
Anyways, is an ideal such as equality so bad, no matter how unattainable it is? If it's part of your own mantra, that means you personally treat people with respect and a lack of prejudice.
Have you actually ever been to Ireland? Met an Irishman allow me to re-iterate what happened the last time I spent st pats day in ireland we went out got fucking drunk, pubs were full, everyone there was out of their fucking arse. No one and i repeat no one celebrates fuckign lent in bloody Ireland I can assure you it's a day off work for them and thats it.KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life said:
Yknow what i do for Burns day, fuck all. Culture is not about sticking to the fucking letter it's ingrained on people if you want to celbrate something in a different way who gives a bloody toss how do you think cultures even came about.
I would argue you don't need to be of a religion to go with the "no sweets for a month" thing and then take a quick break.
For instance, my father is of no religion and went on Lent so he didn't eat any sweets for a pretty long while.
Worked quite well.
For instance, my father is of no religion and went on Lent so he didn't eat any sweets for a pretty long while.
Worked quite well.
Just have to point out; don't go there. You don't necissarily 'disrespect' someone because your actions might make you out to do. I can make a racist joke without "disrespecting" black people. People can get drunk on St. Patrick's day without "disrespecting" the Irish culture. It's more a lack of knowledge that thrives their actions rather than the active "disrespect" for the thought behind it.KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life said:
That it's still stupid? May be, but people misattributing disrespect annoys me as much as getting drunk on St. Patrick's day annoys you.
Well, first of all, I have been to Ireland, many times, and I have met a fine and diverse group of people every time. You're just as bad as the rest, using barely any information to formulate an opinion. And culture is the distinction between the way people act and behave based on region, so if everyone acted differently, culture wouldn't have ever came about.Nmil-ek said:
But I'm not. It is an active practice of taking national symbols and traditions, and warping them into something demeaning towards the original group. It's having no regard for the other side, and dismissing them as a type of inferior, one way or the other.Mozared said:
A joke here or there isn't disrespect, what goes on towards the Irish is.
There should be a Douche Day. It's a mishmash of holidays; everyone wears green, red, black, white, and blue colors. It has to look like you puked it out of your brain. You go around calling people "dude!" or "bro!" in a surfer accent and everyone responds back in kind.
I believe this is also called Hubris Day, or in certain social circles, Publicity Stunt for Dante's Inferno Day.
I believe this is also called Hubris Day, or in certain social circles, Publicity Stunt for Dante's Inferno Day.
What I mean to say is that 'disrespecting' is an action. It isn't passive. It always annoys the heck out of me when someone days I am "disrespecting" someone/something. I think *I* can decide whether I respect someone/something or not, thank you. The fact that I might be making jokes about something or am even ignorant as to its original meaning don't necissarily mean I completely 'disrespect' the subject.KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life said:
Just grabbing an Irish flag and getting drunk is more of a "I have no idea what the true thought behind St. Patricks day is, but I'm gonna get smashed anyway". Actually disrespecting would be actively stating you had no respect for Irish people because . You can't 'disrespect' something if you don't do it consciously.
Mozared said:
But again, the major problem is that most of the time they do actively do it, because a joke here and there is fine, but years upon years of the same "jokes", leading to the ignorant even believing in some of the more absurd stereotypes. Ignorance and disrespect are like hookers & blow: they go together, and idiots enjoy them at the time, but it catches up with them.
I went out today to try Guiness and Irish stew. I didn't wear an Irish flag, and I only wore my Guiness hat tonight at the pub because my parents wear it. Being atheist, I could care less about the religious part of the holiday, i.e. Lent. I still celebrate Christmas, Easter, etc. All you people saying that "Omagodz your not catholix therefor you need to stop celebratin k? stawp plz yer ruinin' my holiday" need to chill out and realize that what you're celebrating isn't exactly part of your religion anyways.