Yes I smoke.. So I'm the devil now?

[NoNameMcgee]

I lit up a cigarette while reading this thread, because it makes me happy knowing I am part of one of the many groups that annoy the self-righteous members of The Escapist.

 

[Xan Krieger]

I smoke maybe once or twice a day, usually vanilla flavored ciggarettes. My policy is if you let me smoke in peace I'll happily keep my distance and treat you with respect. If you start insulting me however, then I'll fire right back. Treat smokers as you wish to be treated.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

People can live the short time they have however they want and anyone who has a problem with that needs to take a second to figure out why they are spending theirs caring what other people fucking do with their own.

Go ahead and spend some of your life giving a shit what some guy does to his lungs. Me? I'm gonna do shit that, you know, is fun. But I'm sure on your deathbed all those times you took time out of your life to stop and think "why is that idiot smoking, herp derp" will come flooding back and you'll be glad.

Anyone that gives a shit what someone else chooses to do with their life needs to get a life of their own.

When someone smoking is blowing smoke in my face and thus gives me an asthma attack, I believe I have every right to complain when it's my health being affected too.

But good people who smoke don't do that. Only the inconsiderate and the flat out douchebags.

 

[TimeLord]

People can live the short time they have however they want and anyone who has a problem with that needs to take a second to figure out why they are spending theirs caring what other people fucking do with their own.

Go ahead and spend some of your life giving a shit what some guy does to his lungs. Me? I'm gonna do shit that, you know, is fun. But I'm sure on your deathbed all those times you took time out of your life to stop and think "why is that idiot smoking, herp derp" will come flooding back and you'll be glad.

Anyone that gives a shit what someone else chooses to do with their life needs to get a life of their own.

When someone smoking is blowing smoke in my face and thus gives me an asthma attack, I believe I have every right to complain when it's my health being affected too.

If you're standing in someone's face and having smoke blown down your throat, you need to back the hell up and give someone their personal space.

I vote we ban cars and factories. I am sick of having carbon dioxide blown into my air! Also, we should ban cows! They are the highest producers of gas and I don't want any!

P-lease.

Why would I stand in someone's face to have them blow smoke in mine? I'm talking about walking down a busy street and walking past someone smoking and having to walk through the cloud of death they are creating. Or being stuck behind a smoker also walking in said busy street.

And don't tell me to walk around them because trying to walk around someone in rush hour in London is a good way to get yourself knocked over.
I'm not saying all smokers are bad. Just the inconsiderate ones that decide to smoke in a public place with hundreds of other that either don't smoke, don't like it, or can die from inhaling passive smoke.

 

[Strazdas]

People can live the short time they have however they want and anyone who has a problem with that needs to take a second to figure out why they are spending theirs caring what other people fucking do with their own.

Go ahead and spend some of your life giving a shit what some guy does to his lungs. Me? I'm gonna do shit that, you know, is fun. But I'm sure on your deathbed all those times you took time out of your life to stop and think "why is that idiot smoking, herp derp" will come flooding back and you'll be glad.

Anyone that gives a shit what someone else chooses to do with their life needs to get a life of their own.

When you smoke you: 1. make other people unhealthy that are around you. 2. make us all pay for diseases that you will have from it. therefore, infact innocent bystander is worse off than you are because you decided its ok to poison yourself. In my opnion smokers sohuld be exempt from any social insurance, they are clearly suicidal, why should I pay for your heath that you obviuosly dont care about?

Let's see how it works for gamers; playing video games doesn't make you evil, but it does make you a fuck tonne fatter than I am. Oh? Just because you do one thing doesn't mean you can't do another? You can exercise, eat right and lead a perfectly healthy life while also doing something that doesn't contribute to physical health? What a revelation.

Playing games does not make you fatter. Eating too much does. Playing games is not equal to inhaling poison. your argument is full of fail.

If you're standing in someone's face and having smoke blown down your throat, you need to back the hell up and give someone their personal space.
P-lease.

Or maybe the smoker should go and poison where there are no healthy human beings around. you know there are regulations on factories dioxide for a reason. and so should be on smokers. if you smoke, go to your stinky corner and stop smoking in bus stops.

I smoke maybe once or twice a day, usually vanilla flavored ciggarettes. My policy is if you let me smoke in peace I'll happily keep my distance and treat you with respect. If you start insulting me however, then I'll fire right back. Treat smokers as you wish to be treated.

Ok so i should treat you fine because you want me to pay your medical bills? i dont think so.

But good people who smoke don't do that. Only the inconsiderate and the flat out douchebags.

Which is 99,99% of humanity.


Also, capcha got it right once again, smokers get: two left feet.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

or can die from inhaling passive smoke.

Yeah, the government has done a few studies on passive smoke (Google them) and they found the likelihood of an individual constantly around a smoker developing cancer or other health problems from said smoker is "statistically insignificant." From memory, the last test showed something in the realm of less than a 1% increase, which, as anyone familiar with the scientific method and the above quote will tell you, means nothing. Oh yes, secondary smoke is indeed one of the greatest myths of our time. You know why they can't say "Secondary Smoke Kills" on cigarette packets? Because they can't prove it. But no one seems to mind. All over the shop you have people flat out LYING to people, but they can't prove it and people like you continue to push the myth onward into the next century.

But you really wanna argue other people endangering your health? You know how long that list is? Every act you come into contact with on a daily basis that can harm you? You've got better odds of dying while walking down the street than from secondary smoke--fact. You know how many people in this planet use poison in their home? You also know how many people die of accidental poisoning each year? Weed killer on your lawn? Can kill people. Tiled bathroom floor? Kills people. Ever drive a car? You put people in more danger than your average smoker. I can go on and on, but I think you get it.

Here, look, one example off the top of my head of someone endangering your well-being that you probably don't care about: fat people on buses and trains. An overweight person (which, in most Western Country, makes up more than 50% of us) takes up more room on public transport, meaning more people have to stand. You are more likely to be killed or seriously injured when standing in an accident. Fat people increase the odds of other people dying, every single day.

Or do you just not like smoking? Do you feel it your given right to walk down the street however you so please? Sorry. World doesn't work that way. People don't have to stop doing what they like because you don't feel like walking around them.

EDIT:

"Sir Richard Doll, the man who proved the incontrovertible causal link between active smoking and lung cancer, said: 'The effect of other people smoking in my presence is so small it doesn't worry me.'

He was right not to fret. One of the largest studies of the health consequences of secondary smoking was published in the British Medical Journal in 2003. It tracked the health of 118,000 Californians over four decades in a rigorous attempt to identify a causal relationship between environmental tobacco smoke (the scientific term for secondary smoke) and premature death. It concluded: 'The results do not support a causal relationship between ETS and tobacco-related mortality.'

-[link]http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/passive-smoking-is-there-convincing-evidence-that-its-harmful-476472.html[/link]

There's one. Have fun reading the rest.

 

[TimeLord]

or can die from inhaling passive smoke.

Yeah, the government has done a few studies on passive smoke (Google them) and they found the likelihood of an individual constantly around a smoker developing cancer or other health problems from said smoker is "statistically insignificant." From memory, the last test showed something in the realm of less than a 1% increase, which, as anyone familiar with the scientific method and the above quote will tell you, means nothing. Oh yes, secondary smoke is indeed one of the greatest myths of our time. You know why they can't say "Secondary Smoke Kills" on cigarette packets? Because they can't prove it. But no one seems to mind. All over the shop you have people flat out LYING to people, but they can't prove it and people like you continue to push the myth onward into the next century.

But you really wanna argue other people endangering your health? You know how long that list is? Every act you come into contact with on a daily basis that can harm you? You've got better odds of dying while walking down the street than from secondary smoke--fact. You know how many people in this planet use poison in their home? You also know how many people die of accidental poisoning each year? Weed killer on your lawn? Can kill people. Tiled bathroom floor? Kills people. Ever drive a car? You put people in more danger than your average smoker. I can go on and on, but I think you get it.

Here, look, one example off the top of my head of someone endangering your well-being that you probably don't care about: fat people on buses and trains. An overweight person (which, in most Western Country, makes up more than 50% of us) takes up more room on public transport, meaning more people have to stand. You are more likely to be killed or seriously injured when standing in an accident. Fat people increase the odds of other people dying, every single day.

Or do you just not like smoking? Do you feel it your given right to walk down the street however you so please? Sorry. World doesn't work that way. People don't have to stop doing what they like because you don't feel like walking around them.

I said nothing about cancer. I mean collapsing from an asthma attack and ending up strapped to an oxygen machine in a hostpital bed, because I'm speaking from experiance here.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

I said nothing about cancer. I mean collapsing from an asthma attack and ending up strapped to an oxygen machine in a hostpital bed, because I'm speaking from experiance here.

Tough. Because you have a problem you want every one else to change their habits? Lol, no. World doesn't bend over for one man.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

words

You should read this. Because knowledge is good.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.334822.14200927

As you can see (do more research yourself if you feel obliged) no one has ever been able to scientifically prove second hand smoke kills. That's why the government doesn't say it on nay of the cig. packs--because you can't just pull conjecture out your ass and tell people they could die.

When the man himself responsible for proving smoking harms your lungs tells you second hand smoke is bunk, you should prolly listen. When the government does the largest research effort in history into it and finds no link, you should prolly listen.

Second hand smoke harming you is a MYTH. If you wanna go around saying otherwise, you will be a LIAR.

 

[TimeLord]

I said nothing about cancer. I mean collapsing from an asthma attack and ending up strapped to an oxygen machine in a hostpital bed, because I'm speaking from experiance here.

Tough. Because you have a problem you want every one else to change their habits? Lol, no. World doesn't bend over for one man.

One man?

http://www.gene.com/gene/products/education/immunology/asthma-facts.html

Nearly four out of five Americans (77 percent) are directly affected by asthma; half (48 percent) have asthma in their household or immediate family; another 29 percent know someone with the disease.

The prevalence of asthma has grown to approximately 20 million people in the United States.
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) estimates that allergic asthma affects approximately 60 percent of all asthma sufferers in the U.S.
Misconceptions
According to the "Real-World Evaluation of Asthma Control and Treatment" (REACT) study more than half (55 percent) of Americans with moderate-to-severe asthma self reported they do not have their asthma symptoms under control despite the fact that most had health insurance and regular doctor visits.

Asthma accounts for 4,261 deaths, approximately half a million (484,000) hospitalizations, about 1.9 million emergency room visits and 12.7 million physician visits annually in the U.S. alone.
Everyday in America 40,000 people miss school or work due to asthma, 30,000 people have an asthma attack, and 1,000 people are admitted to the hospital.

Direct health care costs for asthma in the U.S. total more than $11.5 billion annually; indirect costs (lost productivity) add another $4.6 billion, for a total of $16.1 billion. Prescription drugs represented the largest single direct medical expenditure, over $5 billion.
For adults, asthma results in nearly 10.1 million missed or lost workdays each year.
Among children ages five to 17, asthma is the leading cause of school absences from a chronic illness. It accounts for an annual loss of more than 12.8 million school days and more hospitalizations than any other childhood disease.
People who are not able to manage their asthma comprise the majority of asthma-associated costs, with 80 percent of asthma-associated costs driven by 20 percent of the asthma population..

That's just America. I don't know what American laws on public smoking are but in the UK smoking is banned in pubs, clubs, restaurants, public transport, shopping centres and many more places.

The world may not bend over for one man, but it does when it directly affects 77% of the worlds largest and most powerful country.

As I said. I have no problem with smoking in your house, or your car, or anywhere where it does affect large groups of people who might suffer from it.

Edit: I'm not saying the every asthma suffers from passive smoke. But passive smoke triggers asthma attacks in most people suffering from asthma.

 

[Henkie36]

Well, as long as you don't bother people with it, it's your own lungs you are ruining, you're only giving yourself cancer, you are only giving you're own money to the big evil coorporations, you are the one smelling really bad, and your teeth are going brown. So yeah, as you can tell, I'm not a huge fan of smokers. I don't hate it (even though girls smoking is a big minus), but I definitley won't start myself.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Regardless on the whole should smoker be quit by force or not, it seen some people are annoyed with the mini break smokers are entitled to while non smokers aren't allow ot have.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.360462-Gamer-Fired-for-taking-Pokemon-Breaks?page=1

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Edit: I'm not saying the every asthma suffers from passive smoke. But passive smoke triggers asthma attacks in most people suffering from asthma.

Tough. You don't see the issue here. No one has to change their legal habits because you want to be where they are. There's really no other way to say it. I don't care if 1 or 1000000 people don't like it. Joe Blogs is doing something perfectly legal and you have to deal with it--go around, don't stand near him, hold your breath, whatever the hell else.

tl;dr: Sucks for you.

 

[El Danny]

I love smoking, it's great stress relief, and smoking can be great way too meet people on a night out. I'm well aware of the risks but anything can kill you, driving a car, cooking a dinner, even drinking too much water, you'll have too try harder then that to scare me.

I'm not the devil, just a guy with a habit, I'm not harming you or anyone else.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Regardless on the whole should smoker be quit by force or not, it seen some people are annoyed with the mini break smokers are entitled to while non smokers aren't allow ot have.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.360462-Gamer-Fired-for-taking-Pokemon-Breaks?page=1

That's a lie. Anyone can takes breaks as often as a smoker does. It comes down to how willing your employer is to allow it. If you wanna go outside and stretch your legs for 1 minute every half an hour, your boss will prolly be fine with it. Know how I know? Every time my friends went out for a smoke at my last job, I went with them--not to smoke, but to get the hell out of work for a minute.

 

[Rawne1980]

Smoking is not risky though, it is flat-out damaging.

Been a smoker for 20 years.

Spent 12 years in the British Army, the Para's to be exact, which is one of the most physically demanding next to Royal Marines (not quite SAS though).

After 20 years of being a smoker I can still run a mile and a half in under 7 minutes. I still go to the gym 3 times a week and I still have a healthy body.

I understand not all people are the same but it does kinda knock down your argument somewhat.

There are people like me who are still just as healthy and can do more physically demanding things than some non-smokers.

My dad has been a smoker for 50 years and still works his arse off and besides slowing down a bit with his age he's still healthy as a horse.

My gran has been a smoker for 65 years and the only thing wrong with her is she is bat shit nuts. Her health is fine.

 

[TimeLord]

Edit: I'm not saying the every asthma suffers from passive smoke. But passive smoke triggers asthma attacks in most people suffering from asthma.

Tough. You don't see the issue here. No one has to change their legal habits because you want to be where they are. There's really no other way to say it. I don't care if 1 or 1000000 people don't like it. Joe Blogs is doing something perfectly legal and you have to deal with it--go around, don't stand near him, hold your breath, whatever the hell else.

tl;dr: Sucks for you.

I'm not saying it should be illegal, or that you shouldn't do it. I'm saying that a little consideration to others would be nice.
And I do go around, hold my breath, avoid standing next to smokers etc. It's still inconsiderate, annoying and damaging to my health. That's my views and the views of many, and your views are yours and the views of many. We just have to live with that.

 

[Xan Krieger]

People can live the short time they have however they want and anyone who has a problem with that needs to take a second to figure out why they are spending theirs caring what other people fucking do with their own.

Go ahead and spend some of your life giving a shit what some guy does to his lungs. Me? I'm gonna do shit that, you know, is fun. But I'm sure on your deathbed all those times you took time out of your life to stop and think "why is that idiot smoking, herp derp" will come flooding back and you'll be glad.

Anyone that gives a shit what someone else chooses to do with their life needs to get a life of their own.

When you smoke you: 1. make other people unhealthy that are around you. 2. make us all pay for diseases that you will have from it. therefore, infact innocent bystander is worse off than you are because you decided its ok to poison yourself. In my opnion smokers sohuld be exempt from any social insurance, they are clearly suicidal, why should I pay for your heath that you obviuosly dont care about?

Let's see how it works for gamers; playing video games doesn't make you evil, but it does make you a fuck tonne fatter than I am. Oh? Just because you do one thing doesn't mean you can't do another? You can exercise, eat right and lead a perfectly healthy life while also doing something that doesn't contribute to physical health? What a revelation.

Playing games does not make you fatter. Eating too much does. Playing games is not equal to inhaling poison. your argument is full of fail.

If you're standing in someone's face and having smoke blown down your throat, you need to back the hell up and give someone their personal space.
P-lease.

Or maybe the smoker should go and poison where there are no healthy human beings around. you know there are regulations on factories dioxide for a reason. and so should be on smokers. if you smoke, go to your stinky corner and stop smoking in bus stops.

I smoke maybe once or twice a day, usually vanilla flavored ciggarettes. My policy is if you let me smoke in peace I'll happily keep my distance and treat you with respect. If you start insulting me however, then I'll fire right back. Treat smokers as you wish to be treated.

Ok so i should treat you fine because you want me to pay your medical bills? i dont think so.

But good people who smoke don't do that. Only the inconsiderate and the flat out douchebags.

Which is 99,99% of humanity.


Also, capcha got it right once again, smokers get: two left feet.

I never said I wanted you to pay my medical bills, this is why I have insurance. Remember not all countries have universal healthcare.

 

[z121231211]

Since the Escapist didn't have an April Fools thing,

I congratulate 'Grey Day for Elcia' your necroing is the closest to April Fools as we'll get.