Yesterday I saw Batman V Superman.......it was ok...[MAJOR SPOILERS THREAD]

[SweetShark]

..But because of the Batman's parts of the movie. And Wonder Woman's appearances I will admit.
EVERYTHING else was a Gigantic disappointment!!!
Before I post this Thread I watched the opinions of other critics and I mostly agree with them.

*take a breath*

Were shall I begin?

- Lex Luthor seems is trying constantly to copy/paste what make Dark Knight's Joker so great and not, you know, act actually as an believable inteligent villain.

- Lex Luthor's reasons for hating Superman [being a God-like being] is bullsh*t because immediately creates DOOMSDAY which represent of course another God to his view.

- Btw, General Zod is Doomsday, which I will say I am ok with that [even if I know the original origin of Doomsday in the comics is much cooler], but it seems VERY forceful, just to give a solid Nemesis for Superman.

- Superman is, is........Do you remember why I said Saitama from One Punch-Man is so great? One of the reasons is he fully understand how powerful he is, aka the most OP creature in the whole universe.
But here is the thing: This doesn't stop him for speak up for himself. Yes, Saitama cause destruction fighting other monsters, but guess what, f*ck you!!! He done this because it was the right thing to do. There wasn't any other option.
Yes, I know Saitama have a VERY DIFFERENT personality than Superman. Superman is the pure example of a Lawful Good character. But here is the thing. Being Lawful Good person give even more reasons to show Superman, you know, actually trying to win the people of Metropolis with his words, with his heroic charisma.....but no, in the movie we see a Superman being TOO sensitive to speak for himself.
Yes, he is an Alien and there is a reason why many people hate him, but he could easily find a way for a solution. Sadly we only saw Superman's grumpy face when he was angry or sad.

- Aquaman's cameo was Stupid btw. Sorry. Even if he looked cool in the papers back then, in the film make him look like a pretty beared Ariel. Also I expected to have a important role in the movie because...you know, there was so much talking about him....

- The makers of this movie expect from us to understand who are the other MetaHumans by looking the symbols from the files....OH MY F*CKING GOD!!!! Couldn't they just name them with some specific names which hints to us which hero is each one? Like, we see Flash, right. Couldn't the file just had a name like "Runman", "Lightning" or something else. Or heck, even the names "Subject 109" or "Metahuman 2" would be enough, because I would just see the Flash doing his sh*t and immediately know who he is.

- Lex Lutho's plan to make Batman and Superman fight each other could EASILY, F*CKING EASILY ended quicker!!!!!! Like in a second!!!!!!!
Superman: BATMAN LEX HAVE MARTHA, MY MOM, HELP!!!!!
*Batman for a moment gasp like a f*cking owl*
Batman: WHY WHERE WHO HOW YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MOM?!?!?!?
Superman: No you silly. YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD AND BECAUSE MY MOTHER HAVE THE SAME NAME LIKE YOUR MOTHER IT IS FATE AND YOU MUST HELP ME.
Batman: I AM BATMAN!!!!!!!
And Superman and Batman FIRST beat the sh*t of Lex and Supeman use his eye lasers to take his scalp because they are closer to him, THEN go save Superman's Mom.

- The Nightmares Bruce had about Superman was all of them so Disappointed...I expected one of them to be real, like I saw in the trailers. We all speculated why all this is happening and why at some point Superman caught Batman and saw the real identity of him. But no. It was just another Nightmare. F*ck off.

And I stop here because I get bored writing about this movie. As I said the Batman and Wonder Woman moments was enjoyable that why if I want to give it a score, it would be a 6/10. Just ok. Don't go see it in Theaters like I do.... See it when it is for free on TV....not even rent it.

What do you think about this movie? Am I right? Am I wrong? I am very sure I miss some other point which are really ugly, but because I wrote a lot, please let me know.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to late to the party.

Best part of the movie was the climactic fight with Doomsday.

I just think people who hates this movie (the Rotten Tomatoes giving it a score lower then movies like The Room) have never seen how even WORSE a Superhero story can be.

(Batman R.I.P., Superman At Earth's End, Dark Knight Strikes Again, Spiderman One More Day, Countdown, Ultimatum, Justice League Act of God)

 

[SweetShark]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to late to the party.

Which Party? I think you mean Funeral. XD
Yeah, I had some other priorities in movies first [Deadpool one of them. Best Comic Hero movie for me. 10/10], but at last I saw.......yeeeeeaaaaaah f*ck me for paying 7 euro....

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to late to the party.

Which Party? I think you mean Funeral. XD
Yeah, I had some other priorities in movies first [Deadpool one of them. Best Comic Hero movie for me. 10/10], but at last I saw.......yeeeeeaaaaaah f*ck me for paying 7 euro....

I was mostly unimpressed with Deadpool in the sense of how surprisingly predictable it is. For a movie that says "this is a different kind of Superhero movie" It ended up following the exact same Superhero formula. It just felt samey despite the R rating and whole "comedic overtones" and I don't care if that was the POINT if the movie was samey because it should NOT be like that at all. IMO he should have killed the main villain at the half way point of the movie and then have another adventure entirely. Or heck it should have been a balls out comedy with no Superhero stuff, just Deadpool having fun on his time. And people dissing the DC's movies lack of color? This movie was just as colorless

And finally the fact that the character has been overexposed alot in the internet long before this movie and I already know the character inside out.

 

[SweetShark]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to late to the party.

Which Party? I think you mean Funeral. XD
Yeah, I had some other priorities in movies first [Deadpool one of them. Best Comic Hero movie for me. 10/10], but at last I saw.......yeeeeeaaaaaah f*ck me for paying 7 euro....

I was mostly unimpressed with Deadpool in the sense of how surprisingly predictable it is. For a movie that says "this is a different kind of Superhero movie" It ended up following the exact same Superhero formula. It just felt samey despite the R rating and whole "comedic overtones" and I don't care if that was the POINT if the movie was samey because it should NOT be like that at all. IMO he should have killed the main villain at the half way point of the movie and then have another adventure entirely. Or heck it should have been a balls out comedy with no Superhero stuff, just Deadpool having fun on his time. And people dissing the DC's movies lack of color? This movie was just as colorless

And finally the fact that the character has been overexposed alot in the internet long before this movie and I already know the character inside out.

Indeed, Deapool movie was very pretictable, but that why maybe I liked so much: It was just a fun little AntiHero movie, which wasn't connected with 100 mini plots every single second [like in Batman V Superman, but I will admit I liked the Robin X Joker cameo]. It is just a movie and it want to find the bad guy.
Plus

Spoiler

Deapool didn't wanted to kill him at first, just to catch him to fix his face

Also I love the kind of human it had and how they handle it. It could had been a CATASTROPHE for a Deadpool movie, but the filmakers made it funny, charming and suitable in some specific part of the movies.

I guess I will put Spoiler Tag for Deapool movie below:

Spoiler

- I LOVE the erotic connection Deadpool and Copycat had before the main events of the movie, how funny situations and different was from many kind of other movies had like them.
- Btw, having Copycat as an erotic interest for Deadpool, show the filmakers indeed did their homeworks for Deadpool.
- Btw again, they had a cameo of Bod on a perfect moment in the movie. Short and sweet.
- I loved also the filmakers adressed the problem Deadpool had with his appearance and it was an important part of the movie. Even if Deadpool is THE funny guy of Comics, he had his personal demon in front of him as well.
- The X-men was funny and suitable to be in a Deadpool movie.
- How can you say Deadpool movie was colorless when you see Animal Cartoons lick Copycat mouth?
- I saw the unrated version in the theaters so seeing naked girls was cool. I don't care. I like it. Plus gore swearing was awesome.
- The Taxi driver was awesome.

And many other things I really liked, but the main things was the humor get me on many level. Bless you Deapool for being the best Comedy I ever saw this year. Bless you.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Bless you Deapool for being the best Comedy I ever saw this year. Bless you.

Not exactly a hard earned achievement. Have you seen 50 Shades of Black?

Anyway, it really just is the plot that drags this movie down. The more you think about it, the angrier you get.

I will bet you that there is not a single plot line in the movie that doesn't have plot holes or contrivances.

 

[SweetShark]

Bless you Deapool for being the best Comedy I ever saw this year. Bless you.

Not exactly a hard earned achievement. Have you seen 50 Shades of Black?

Anyway, it really just is the plot that drags this movie down. The more you think about it, the angrier you get.

I will bet you that there is not a single plot line in the movie that doesn't have plot holes or contrivances.

No, I never saw it and I will won't see it right now. I hear it is an awful satire movie. Maybe if it is on TV I will see it someday.
Which movies plot? Batman V Superman? It have plenty of Plot Holes:
- How Lex knew about Superman and Batman identities.
- How Lex Knew Batman had plans to fight Superman the same night Lex kidnap Superman's Mom.
- How Superman saved her girlfriend and not the other secret CIA Agent.
- Why the f*ck Superman stopped Batman's Car.

I am sure I forgot some other plot holes, but I don't remember sadly...

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Bless you Deapool for being the best Comedy I ever saw this year. Bless you.

Not exactly a hard earned achievement. Have you seen 50 Shades of Black?

Anyway, it really just is the plot that drags this movie down. The more you think about it, the angrier you get.

I will bet you that there is not a single plot line in the movie that doesn't have plot holes or contrivances.

No, I never saw it and I will won't see it right now. I hear it is an awful satire movie. Maybe if it is on TV I will see it someday.
Which movies plot? Batman V Superman? It have plenty of Plot Holes:
- How Lex knew about Superman and Batman identities.
- How Lex Knew Batman had plans to fight Superman the same night Lex kidnap Superman's Mom.
- How Superman saved her girlfriend and not the other secret CIA Agent.
- Why the f*ck Superman stopped Batman's Car.

I am sure I forgot some other plot holes, but I don't remember sadly...

1. The sameway he knew the identities of the other 4 heroes.

2. Probably a deleted scene, but if I have to assume the part where the capital building was blown up with Superman in it was set up by Lex and surprisingly Lex knew Batman would watch it on television (Or at least predictited/hope). And because Batman stole the Kryptonite beforehand. I am pretty sure Lex would piece together why Batman would steal the Kryptonite.

3. Superman was not there yet by the time the CIA agent was shot.

4. How is this a Plot Hole?

 

[Bob_McMillan]

1. The sameway he knew the identities of the other 4 heroes.

Sure. So why was he angry that Batman stole the Kryptonite? He implied that he was the one who set Bats against Superman (which is... dumb). Did he expect Batman to be able to stand up to Superman without it? Lex clearly had his own plans for the Kryptonite.

2. Probably a deleted scene, but if I have to assume the part where the capital building was blown up with Superman in it was set up by Lex and surprisingly Lex knew Batman would watch it on television (Or at least predictited/hope). And because Batman stole the Kryptonite beforehand. I am pretty sure Lex would piece together why Batman would steal the Kryptonite.

That just explains how Lex knew Bats was gonna fight Superman (and even that is stretching it), not how he knew the exact moment Batman was ready to pull on the big boy boots to stomp on Supes' face.

3. Superman was not there yet by the time the CIA agent was shot.

Didn't Superman fly across half the world in MoS and back to Metropolis in the duration of a coffee break? You could say that he was unaware that Lois was going to be in trouble, but then that a) makes him a shitty boyfriend, b) a shitty superhero, c) would be completely against his character, seeing as he would apparently take over the world Injustice style if Lois died.

4. How is this a Plot Hole?

I think he was referring to the fact that Superman definitely saw the guys with obviously illegal firearms and a bloody chain gun in the car, seeing as he was waiting for Batman, and completely ignored them.

A few more of my own:

You remember that bit of dialogue with the Trinity? "Is she with you, I thought she was with you blah blah blah" makes no sense.

What would Lex have done with Doomsday if Batman had killed Superman? Fuck all, that's what.

Superman couldn't hear his own mother being kidnapped. Sure, it was a deleted scene, but that's just it, it was deleted.

Wonder Woman had to be sent the contents of the drive that she stole and promptly gave back to Batman in an email. And didn't she say that the picture wasn't there? Well guess what, dumbass, it was.

Superman's non-space dad told him about a story Clark had never heard in a hallucination/dream/random bullshit.

The public blames the Capitol building bombing on Superman despite both the government and the media reporting that it was wheelchair guy's fault.

Lois knew that somehow Superman was going to die when he charged Doomsday with the Kryptonite spear. Must be her excellent investigative journalist skills.

Superman is blamed for all those deaths in Africa (I think). I guess they didn't think that its weird that a god among men would bother using a gun.

The public loves Superman after he rescued them from an unstoppable monster who they didn't know was unstoppable and posed not nearly as large a threat to earth as Zod did. Which leads me to my next one-

The public knows Superman is dead, when they don't have a body to bury. So they just saw that Doomsday had some blood on his spike and automatically assumed that it was Superman's?

Superman never heard of Batman for 18 months, despite Gotham apparently being right across the bay. Seems an awfully long time and an awfully close proximity to never meet in their daily vigilante activities.

Lex Luthor implies that 18 months is enough time for Darkseid to know about and fear Superman. Oh, and that Superman is a deterrent to Darkseid.

Lois Lane claims several times that Superman isn't a killer, yeeettttt he definitely is. Unless he just gave Zod a really bad neck rub.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

..But because of the Batman's parts of the movie. And Wonder Woman's appearances I will admit.
EVERYTHING else was a Gigantic disappointment!!!
Before I post this Thread I watched the opinions of other critics and I mostly agree with them.

*take a breath*

Were shall I begin?

- Lex Luthor seems is trying constantly to copy/paste what make Dark Knight's Joker so great and not, you know, act actually as an believable inteligent villain.

- Lex Luthor's reasons for hating Superman [being a God-like being] is bullsh*t because immediately creates DOOMSDAY which represent of course another God to his view.

- Btw, General Zod is Doomsday, which I will say I am ok with that [even if I know the original origin of Doomsday in the comics is much cooler], but it seems VERY forceful, just to give a solid Nemesis for Superman.

- Superman is, is........Do you remember why I said Saitama from One Punch-Man is so great? One of the reasons is he fully understand how powerful he is, aka the most OP creature in the whole universe.
But here is the thing: This doesn't stop him for speak up for himself. Yes, Saitama cause destruction fighting other monsters, but guess what, f*ck you!!! He done this because it was the right thing to do. There wasn't any other option.
Yes, I know Saitama have a VERY DIFFERENT personality than Superman. Superman is the pure example of a Lawful Good character. But here is the thing. Being Lawful Good person give even more reasons to show Superman, you know, actually trying to win the people of Metropolis with his words, with his heroic charisma.....but no, in the movie we see a Superman being TOO sensitive to speak for himself.
Yes, he is an Alien and there is a reason why many people hate him, but he could easily find a way for a solution. Sadly we only saw Superman's grumpy face when he was angry or sad.

- Aquaman's cameo was Stupid btw. Sorry. Even if he looked cool in the papers back then, in the film make him look like a pretty beared Ariel. Also I expected to have a important role in the movie because...you know, there was so much talking about him....

- The makers of this movie expect from us to understand who are the other MetaHumans by looking the symbols from the files....OH MY F*CKING GOD!!!! Couldn't they just name them with some specific names which hints to us which hero is each one? Like, we see Flash, right. Couldn't the file just had a name like "Runman", "Lightning" or something else. Or heck, even the names "Subject 109" or "Metahuman 2" would be enough, because I would just see the Flash doing his sh*t and immediately know who he is.

- Lex Lutho's plan to make Batman and Superman fight each other could EASILY, F*CKING EASILY ended quicker!!!!!! Like in a second!!!!!!!
Superman: BATMAN LEX HAVE MARTHA, MY MOM, HELP!!!!!
*Batman for a moment gasp like a f*cking owl*
Batman: WHY WHERE WHO HOW YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MOM?!?!?!?
Superman: No you silly. YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD AND BECAUSE MY MOTHER HAVE THE SAME NAME LIKE YOUR MOTHER IT IS FATE AND YOU MUST HELP ME.
Batman: I AM BATMAN!!!!!!!
And Superman and Batman FIRST beat the sh*t of Lex and Supeman use his eye lasers to take his scalp because they are closer to him, THEN go save Superman's Mom.

- The Nightmares Bruce had about Superman was all of them so Disappointed...I expected one of them to be real, like I saw in the trailers. We all speculated why all this is happening and why at some point Superman caught Batman and saw the real identity of him. But no. It was just another Nightmare. F*ck off.

And I stop here because I get bored writing about this movie. As I said the Batman and Wonder Woman moments was enjoyable that why if I want to give it a score, it would be a 6/10. Just ok. Don't go see it in Theaters like I do.... See it when it is for free on TV....not even rent it.

What do you think about this movie? Am I right? Am I wrong? I am very sure I miss some other point which are really ugly, but because I wrote a lot, please let me know.

1. How is Doomsday Forceful when the whole movie was setting him up to be Doomsday right in the beginning when Lex asked for Zod's body?

2. If you know One Punch Man is nothing like Superman than why make the comparison at all? If One Punch Man was never made and this movie came out you would not say ANYTHING or at least come up with a more original criticism without resorting to comparisons. And I have seen worse portrayals of Superman then this.

3. The Aquaman criticisms I have seen is just pure nitpicking. Plain and Simple, it has nothing to do with the movie or the inevitable appearence of Aquaman in Justice League and his own movie. And his hair is like that because he's underfreakin water and he has long hair. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN A PERSON'S LONG HAIR UNDERWATER?!

4. the logos of the heroes in the computer, AGAIN NITPICKY

The rest I range from indifference to agree.

 

[Tharaxis]

..But because of the Batman's parts of the movie. And Wonder Woman's appearances I will admit.
EVERYTHING else was a Gigantic disappointment!!!
Before I post this Thread I watched the opinions of other critics and I mostly agree with them.

*take a breath*

Were shall I begin?

- Lex Luthor seems is trying constantly to copy/paste what make Dark Knight's Joker so great and not, you know, act actually as an believable inteligent villain.

- Lex Luthor's reasons for hating Superman [being a God-like being] is bullsh*t because immediately creates DOOMSDAY which represent of course another God to his view.

- Btw, General Zod is Doomsday, which I will say I am ok with that [even if I know the original origin of Doomsday in the comics is much cooler], but it seems VERY forceful, just to give a solid Nemesis for Superman.

- Superman is, is........Do you remember why I said Saitama from One Punch-Man is so great? One of the reasons is he fully understand how powerful he is, aka the most OP creature in the whole universe.
But here is the thing: This doesn't stop him for speak up for himself. Yes, Saitama cause destruction fighting other monsters, but guess what, f*ck you!!! He done this because it was the right thing to do. There wasn't any other option.
Yes, I know Saitama have a VERY DIFFERENT personality than Superman. Superman is the pure example of a Lawful Good character. But here is the thing. Being Lawful Good person give even more reasons to show Superman, you know, actually trying to win the people of Metropolis with his words, with his heroic charisma.....but no, in the movie we see a Superman being TOO sensitive to speak for himself.
Yes, he is an Alien and there is a reason why many people hate him, but he could easily find a way for a solution. Sadly we only saw Superman's grumpy face when he was angry or sad.

- Aquaman's cameo was Stupid btw. Sorry. Even if he looked cool in the papers back then, in the film make him look like a pretty beared Ariel. Also I expected to have a important role in the movie because...you know, there was so much talking about him....

- The makers of this movie expect from us to understand who are the other MetaHumans by looking the symbols from the files....OH MY F*CKING GOD!!!! Couldn't they just name them with some specific names which hints to us which hero is each one? Like, we see Flash, right. Couldn't the file just had a name like "Runman", "Lightning" or something else. Or heck, even the names "Subject 109" or "Metahuman 2" would be enough, because I would just see the Flash doing his sh*t and immediately know who he is.

- Lex Lutho's plan to make Batman and Superman fight each other could EASILY, F*CKING EASILY ended quicker!!!!!! Like in a second!!!!!!!
Superman: BATMAN LEX HAVE MARTHA, MY MOM, HELP!!!!!
*Batman for a moment gasp like a f*cking owl*
Batman: WHY WHERE WHO HOW YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MOM?!?!?!?
Superman: No you silly. YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD AND BECAUSE MY MOTHER HAVE THE SAME NAME LIKE YOUR MOTHER IT IS FATE AND YOU MUST HELP ME.
Batman: I AM BATMAN!!!!!!!
And Superman and Batman FIRST beat the sh*t of Lex and Supeman use his eye lasers to take his scalp because they are closer to him, THEN go save Superman's Mom.

- The Nightmares Bruce had about Superman was all of them so Disappointed...I expected one of them to be real, like I saw in the trailers. We all speculated why all this is happening and why at some point Superman caught Batman and saw the real identity of him. But no. It was just another Nightmare. F*ck off.

And I stop here because I get bored writing about this movie. As I said the Batman and Wonder Woman moments was enjoyable that why if I want to give it a score, it would be a 6/10. Just ok. Don't go see it in Theaters like I do.... See it when it is for free on TV....not even rent it.

What do you think about this movie? Am I right? Am I wrong? I am very sure I miss some other point which are really ugly, but because I wrote a lot, please let me know.

Hoo boy, okay so this is pretty badly written, but let me try respond:

- Lex Luthor being a copy/paste of The Joker:
I'll agree on this, I found Jesse Eisenberg's portayal of Lex to be a huge let down and fell right into all the reservations people had about the casting choice. Lex to me was always calm and calculating, a shrewd businessman who was plotting from afar. In Batman v Superman, he seemed unhinged/insane and terribly awkward. His inability to address a crowd of people without coming across as a lunatic was bizarre and didn't sit right with me. I don't know if it comes down to the writing or the acting (although lets be honest, he wouldn't be saying things or doing things that aren't written), but it really missed the mark.

- Lex hating Superman because he's God-like then creating a God-like in the process:
Your basic assumption here is incorrect. Lex doesn't hate Superman purely because he's like a God, he hates Superman because Lex cannot control him and his power. Lex creates Doomsday, a being with all the power of a God, but that which Lex seeks to control in lieu of Superman whom he cannot. Lex's entire motivation throughout the movie is attempting to control situations and those around him, something he knows he cannot do to Superman (but feels he may succeed in doing by dangling Martha as the carrot).

- One Punch Man comparison:
Irrelevant because it's got nothing to do with the character of Superman in the DC cinematic universe.

- Stupid Aquaman cameo:
I'll agree it was pretty awful, it lingered far too long compared to the other cameos that were demonstrated and to be honest it lacked pretty much all impact because it was too slow and didn't demonstrate anything other than it _being_ Aquaman for me to excited. Aquaman shooting off through the water was pretty cool, but the rest was poorly executed. There have been issues bringing Aquaman to the big and small screen for years, and most of it is because... well... to be honest he's not that great a character. His abilities are somewhat unhelpful without there being some contrivance employed in which they can be made helpful. I'm not terribly excited about Aquaman, and they've got a long road ahead to get me there - perhaps a standalone movie will help.

- Superhero logos on Lex's network/computer:
This was purely fan service, it served no purpose otherwise (if anything I rolled my eyes when they appeared because I thought it was a but _too_ on the nose). Your argument however makes no sense. First you're moaning that showing the logos is bad because it expects the audience to know who is associated with each logo and you suggest naming them closer to their names so that it would be easier to figure out who it is, but then you suddenly switch to suggesting even LESS descriptive names (like Subject 109) and then imply that by just seeing The Flash doing his thing you would know who it is? So which one is it, more descriptive names and no logos to help people identify the heroes or less descriptive names because the heroes are easily identifiable by who they are... you're making diametrically opposite suggestions here. To be honest I think the approach was fine, if a little bit or a cornball execution.

- Superman/Batman fight being over sooner:
So firstly, I don't just walk up to someone and start using my parent's first names when referring to them because the individual I'm talking to would be utterly confused. They would have no idea as to who I am talking about. Who the hell is Martha? Why the hell are you talking to me about Martha? How is this related to what we're doing? We need some form of establishment up front as to what is going on. This is established during the fight and Superman's attempt to convince Bruce to help him, eventually as Superman is losing and about to be killed, he murmurs out his mother's name "Save Martha". The whole way it was approached is more impactful _because_ of Bruce's distancing of Superman from humanity over the course of the battle, Bruce suddenly sees Superman in front of him as a person with a mother (not just a mother, but a mother with THE SAME NAME) and not just this destructive uncontrollable alien being. If anything I would say the battle should have been longer since the premise upon which the movie was sold was their rivalry and it seemed very short in the grand scheme of the film's running time. I get why some people still feel the approach was ham-fisted (it possibly was a bit), but those trying to argue that the battle could be over far sooner I feel are just missing the point on purpose.

- All of Batman's dreams/nightmares were just that, dreams/nightmares:
Okay I don't get how many people missed this, but it's very clear that when The Flash (if it is The Flash and it has been verified to be him - I say this because suit-wise he really didn't look the part unless I missed some aspect of it) shows himself to Bruce in the Batcave by jumping back in time to warn him that "She is the key", it is _very clearly shown_ by the still falling papers in the air that this was not a dream even though Bruce may still interpret it as one (because he pseudo wakes/jumps with a start). I would suspect as well that Bruce's "dream" about the future is also _not a dream_ and is in fact some kind of projected memory or side effect of the time travelling Flash. Absolutely the other dreams are just that, dreams, and they are intended to not only illustrate how Bruce's mind works (or doesn't work), but also cast doubt in Bruce's (and the viewer's) mind as to whether what they saw in the very last dream sequence was real or not.

Batman v Superman was not as bad a movie as many have made it out to be, and I have a feeling a lot of people who have been slamming the movie (and I include critics in this set of people) have been doing it only because it appears to be the popular thing to do (certainly more popular than defending the movie and saying it wasn't that bad). I mean just look at the language and criticism surrounding Batman v Superman (what a flop - $165m opening weekend) compared to Jungle Book (What an amazing opening/roaring to success/whatever - $100m opening weekend). The reality is that there is utterly obvious bias that existed against BvS and it most certainly resulted in a swath of negative criticism in kind. Pretty much everyone I have spoken to about the movie who has watched it has pegged it at a 70-ish % movie (and I would put it in the same range), this is confirmed by IMDB _and_ Rottentomatoes viewer ratings that put it in that same range. This stands in stark contrast to the completely unfounded 25-30% that critics placed it at.

My only sadness is that there are people out there who would have likely really have enjoyed the movie, but who are not inherent fans and whom were likely on the fence, and who ended up never going because they saw the mound of bad reviews and decided against it and who ended up missing out on an entertaining, albeit flawed, film.

 

[DefunctTheory]

- How Lex knew about Superman and Batman identities.

Because this Superman has, literally, the worst Superman disguise of all time. Most of the time they at least try to excuse it by showing he has a different demeanor as Clark Kent, and wears poorly fitting suits, and so on. In the DCCU, he takes his stylish glasses off, and changes out of his tightly tailored suit that shows off his classic muscular body. He knows Batman's identity because he's been doing this shit for 25 years, and Alexander Luther is insane, obsessed, and rich. Doesn't take too much effort to get there on this one.

- How Lex Knew Batman had plans to fight Superman the same night Lex kidnap Superman's Mom.

Contrived coincidence. Movies, particularly superhero ones, run on that stuff.

- How Superman saved her girlfriend and not the other secret CIA Agent.

Superman simply doesn't care unless he's sticking his dick in it. I guess Olsen should have put out.

- Why the f*ck Superman stopped Batman's Car.

Because Superman refuses to let another vigilante horn in on his territory, even if that other vigilante technically got there first.

You remember that bit of dialogue with the Trinity? "Is she with you, I thought she was with you blah blah blah" makes no sense.

That was one of several scenes shot for the sole purpose of putting it in the trailer. In fact, about 90% of the scenes found in the trailer exist purely because what you have in the trailer has to be in the movie.

What would Lex have done with Doomsday if Batman had killed Superman? Fuck all, that's what.

He would have let it go and kill everyone, because Alexander Luther is an insane moron.

Superman couldn't hear his own mother being kidnapped. Sure, it was a deleted scene, but that's just it, it was deleted.

Like I said above - If he's not sticking his dick in it, Superman isn't paying attention.

Wonder Woman had to be sent the contents of the drive that she stole and promptly gave back to Batman in an email. And didn't she say that the picture wasn't there? Well guess what, dumbass, it was.

Every scene prior to the Doomsday fight with Wonder Woman in it is trivial, nonsensical time fodder. How dare you pay attention to things that happened and were said.

Superman's non-space dad told him about a story Clark had never heard in a hallucination/dream/random bullshit.

How about how his non-space Dad suddenly endorsed his heroism as soon as he became a ghost, but fucking died to keep him from being a hero/discovered?

The public blames the Capitol building bombing on Superman despite both the government and the media reporting that it was wheelchair guy's fault.

Maybe they had gotten an advanced copy of BvS and they were mad about how terrible it was.

Lois knew that somehow Superman was going to die when he charged Doomsday with the Kryptonite spear. Must be her excellent investigative journalist skills.

She can read the future by latching onto Superman's chin like a beard and starring with stupid eyes into his face. That's also how she knew to get the spear back, despite not knowing what the hell it was, or what the hell Doomsday was.

Superman is blamed for all those deaths in Africa (I think). I guess they didn't think that its weird that a god among men would bother using a gun.

I think they assumed that if he shoots lasers out of his eyes, he must piss bullets.

The public loves Superman after he rescued them from an unstoppable monster who they didn't know was unstoppable and posed not nearly as large a threat to earth as Zod did. Which leads me to my next one-

The public knows Superman is dead, when they don't have a body to bury. So they just saw that Doomsday had some blood on his spike and automatically assumed that it was Superman's?

Batman left a sticky note on the battlefield that said 'Superman iz ded. Sory. Signed - Bruce Wayne.'

Superman never heard of Batman for 18 months, despite Gotham apparently being right across the bay. Seems an awfully long time and an awfully close proximity to never meet in their daily vigilante activities.

His 'romance' (Super Sex) with Lane takes up most of his time. That, and shopping for fashionable suits that totally show off his Superman bod.

Lex Luthor implies that 18 months is enough time for Darkseid to know about and fear Superman. Oh, and that Superman is a deterrent to Darkseid.

Even worse - Darkseid found out about Earth, sent at least two motherboxes, found out about Superman, decided Superman was a threat, and pulled out in 18 months. Whee.

Lois Lane claims several times that Superman isn't a killer, yeeettttt he definitely is. Unless he just gave Zod a really bad neck rub.

It wouldn't be the first time a woman lied about a man for the Big-D.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

..But because of the Batman's parts of the movie. And Wonder Woman's appearances I will admit.
EVERYTHING else was a Gigantic disappointment!!!
Before I post this Thread I watched the opinions of other critics and I mostly agree with them.

*take a breath*

Were shall I begin?

- Lex Luthor seems is trying constantly to copy/paste what make Dark Knight's Joker so great and not, you know, act actually as an believable inteligent villain.

- Lex Luthor's reasons for hating Superman [being a God-like being] is bullsh*t because immediately creates DOOMSDAY which represent of course another God to his view.

- Btw, General Zod is Doomsday, which I will say I am ok with that [even if I know the original origin of Doomsday in the comics is much cooler], but it seems VERY forceful, just to give a solid Nemesis for Superman.

- Superman is, is........Do you remember why I said Saitama from One Punch-Man is so great? One of the reasons is he fully understand how powerful he is, aka the most OP creature in the whole universe.
But here is the thing: This doesn't stop him for speak up for himself. Yes, Saitama cause destruction fighting other monsters, but guess what, f*ck you!!! He done this because it was the right thing to do. There wasn't any other option.
Yes, I know Saitama have a VERY DIFFERENT personality than Superman. Superman is the pure example of a Lawful Good character. But here is the thing. Being Lawful Good person give even more reasons to show Superman, you know, actually trying to win the people of Metropolis with his words, with his heroic charisma.....but no, in the movie we see a Superman being TOO sensitive to speak for himself.
Yes, he is an Alien and there is a reason why many people hate him, but he could easily find a way for a solution. Sadly we only saw Superman's grumpy face when he was angry or sad.

- Aquaman's cameo was Stupid btw. Sorry. Even if he looked cool in the papers back then, in the film make him look like a pretty beared Ariel. Also I expected to have a important role in the movie because...you know, there was so much talking about him....

- The makers of this movie expect from us to understand who are the other MetaHumans by looking the symbols from the files....OH MY F*CKING GOD!!!! Couldn't they just name them with some specific names which hints to us which hero is each one? Like, we see Flash, right. Couldn't the file just had a name like "Runman", "Lightning" or something else. Or heck, even the names "Subject 109" or "Metahuman 2" would be enough, because I would just see the Flash doing his sh*t and immediately know who he is.

- Lex Lutho's plan to make Batman and Superman fight each other could EASILY, F*CKING EASILY ended quicker!!!!!! Like in a second!!!!!!!
Superman: BATMAN LEX HAVE MARTHA, MY MOM, HELP!!!!!
*Batman for a moment gasp like a f*cking owl*
Batman: WHY WHERE WHO HOW YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MOM?!?!?!?
Superman: No you silly. YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD AND BECAUSE MY MOTHER HAVE THE SAME NAME LIKE YOUR MOTHER IT IS FATE AND YOU MUST HELP ME.
Batman: I AM BATMAN!!!!!!!
And Superman and Batman FIRST beat the sh*t of Lex and Supeman use his eye lasers to take his scalp because they are closer to him, THEN go save Superman's Mom.

- The Nightmares Bruce had about Superman was all of them so Disappointed...I expected one of them to be real, like I saw in the trailers. We all speculated why all this is happening and why at some point Superman caught Batman and saw the real identity of him. But no. It was just another Nightmare. F*ck off.

And I stop here because I get bored writing about this movie. As I said the Batman and Wonder Woman moments was enjoyable that why if I want to give it a score, it would be a 6/10. Just ok. Don't go see it in Theaters like I do.... See it when it is for free on TV....not even rent it.

What do you think about this movie? Am I right? Am I wrong? I am very sure I miss some other point which are really ugly, but because I wrote a lot, please let me know.

Hoo boy, okay so this is pretty badly written, but let me try respond:

- Lex Luthor being a copy/paste of The Joker:
I'll agree on this, I found Jesse Eisenberg's portayal of Lex to be a huge let down and fell right into all the reservations people had about the casting choice. Lex to me was always calm and calculating, a shrewd businessman who was plotting from afar. In Batman v Superman, he seemed unhinged/insane and terribly awkward. His inability to address a crowd of people without coming across as a lunatic was bizarre and didn't sit right with me. I don't know if it comes down to the writing or the acting (although lets be honest, he wouldn't be saying things or doing things that aren't written), but it really missed the mark.

- Lex hating Superman because he's God-like then creating a God-like in the process:
Your basic assumption here is incorrect. Lex doesn't hate Superman purely because he's like a God, he hates Superman because Lex cannot control him and his power. Lex creates Doomsday, a being with all the power of a God, but that which Lex seeks to control in lieu of Superman whom he cannot. Lex's entire motivation throughout the movie is attempting to control situations and those around him, something he knows he cannot do to Superman (but feels he may succeed in doing by dangling Martha as the carrot).

- One Punch Man comparison:
Irrelevant because it's got nothing to do with the character of Superman in the DC cinematic universe.

- Stupid Aquaman cameo:
I'll agree it was pretty awful, it lingered far too long compared to the other cameos that were demonstrated and to be honest it lacked pretty much all impact because it was too slow and didn't demonstrate anything other than it _being_ Aquaman for me to excited. Aquaman shooting off through the water was pretty cool, but the rest was poorly executed. There have been issues bringing Aquaman to the big and small screen for years, and most of it is because... well... to be honest he's not that great a character. His abilities are somewhat unhelpful without there being some contrivance employed in which they can be made helpful. I'm not terribly excited about Aquaman, and they've got a long road ahead to get me there - perhaps a standalone movie will help.

- Superhero logos on Lex's network/computer:
This was purely fan service, it served no purpose otherwise (if anything I rolled my eyes when they appeared because I thought it was a but _too_ on the nose). Your argument however makes no sense. First you're moaning that showing the logos is bad because it expects the audience to know who is associated with each logo and you suggest naming them closer to their names so that it would be easier to figure out who it is, but then you suddenly switch to suggesting even LESS descriptive names (like Subject 109) and then imply that by just seeing The Flash doing his thing you would know who it is? So which one is it, more descriptive names and no logos to help people identify the heroes or less descriptive names because the heroes are easily identifiable by who they are... you're making diametrically opposite suggestions here. To be honest I think the approach was fine, if a little bit or a cornball execution.

- Superman/Batman fight being over sooner:
So firstly, I don't just walk up to someone and start using my parent's first names when referring to them because the individual I'm talking to would be utterly confused. They would have no idea as to who I am talking about. Who the hell is Martha? Why the hell are you talking to me about Martha? How is this related to what we're doing? We need some form of establishment up front as to what is going on. This is established during the fight and Superman's attempt to convince Bruce to help him, eventually as Superman is losing and about to be killed, he murmurs out his mother's name "Save Martha". The whole way it was approached is more impactful _because_ of Bruce's distancing of Superman from humanity over the course of the battle, Bruce suddenly sees Superman in front of him as a person with a mother (not just a mother, but a mother with THE SAME NAME) and not just this destructive uncontrollable alien being. If anything I would say the battle should have been longer since the premise upon which the movie was sold was their rivalry and it seemed very short in the grand scheme of the film's running time. I get why some people still feel the approach was ham-fisted (it possibly was a bit), but those trying to argue that the battle could be over far sooner I feel are just missing the point on purpose.

- All of Batman's dreams/nightmares were just that, dreams/nightmares:
Okay I don't get how many people missed this, but it's very clear that when The Flash (if it is The Flash and it has been verified to be him - I say this because suit-wise he really didn't look the part unless I missed some aspect of it) shows himself to Bruce in the Batcave by jumping back in time to warn him that "She is the key", it is _very clearly shown_ by the still falling papers in the air that this was not a dream even though Bruce may still interpret it as one (because he pseudo wakes/jumps with a start). I would suspect as well that Bruce's "dream" about the future is also _not a dream_ and is in fact some kind of projected memory or side effect of the time travelling Flash. Absolutely the other dreams are just that, dreams, and they are intended to not only illustrate how Bruce's mind works (or doesn't work), but also cast doubt in Bruce's (and the viewer's) mind as to whether what they saw in the very last dream sequence was real or not.

Batman v Superman was not as bad a movie as many have made it out to be, and I have a feeling a lot of people who have been slamming the movie (and I include critics in this set of people) have been doing it only because it appears to be the popular thing to do (certainly more popular than defending the movie and saying it wasn't that bad). I mean just look at the language and criticism surrounding Batman v Superman (what a flop - $165m opening weekend) compared to Jungle Book (What an amazing opening/roaring to success/whatever - $100m opening weekend). The reality is that there is utterly obvious bias that existed against BvS and it most certainly resulted in a swath of negative criticism in kind. Pretty much everyone I have spoken to about the movie who has watched it has pegged it at a 70-ish % movie (and I would put it in the same range), this is confirmed by IMDB _and_ Rottentomatoes viewer ratings that put it in that same range. This stands in stark contrast to the completely unfounded 25-30% that critics placed it at.

My only sadness is that there are people out there who would have likely really have enjoyed the movie, but who are not inherent fans and whom were likely on the fence, and who ended up never going because they saw the mound of bad reviews and decided against it and who ended up missing out on an entertaining, albeit flawed, film.

And I come from the stance that there are still Superhero stories that are way worse then this movie. I already cited the examples in my first post. I personally believe the internet is one big echo chamber when it comes to this movie especially saying the exact same words 'It needs more humor and levity and color"

And regarding Aquaman my stance still stands that people who complain about Aquaman's appearence are being unfaily nitpicky

 

[SweetShark]

1. How is Doomsday Forceful when the whole movie was setting him up to be Doomsday right in the beginning when Lex asked for Zod's body?

2. If you know One Punch Man is nothing like Superman than why make the comparison at all? If One Punch Man was never made and this movie came out you would not say ANYTHING or at least come up with a more original criticism without resorting to comparisons. And I have seen worse portrayals of Superman then this.

3. The Aquaman criticisms I have seen is just pure nitpicking. Plain and Simple, it has nothing to do with the movie or the inevitable appearence of Aquaman in Justice League and his own movie. And his hair is like that because he's underfreakin water and he has long hair. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN A PERSON'S LONG HAIR UNDERWATER?!

4. the logos of the heroes in the computer, AGAIN NITPICKY

The rest I range from indifference to agree.

1. Because the movie is Batman V Superman. Not Superman V Doomsday. I don't read a lot of Superman Comics, but heck even I know the Death of Superman. It should be a different movie the end of the movie. Put other villain for god sake, not Doomsday which of course is Geneal Zod as well! Metallo for example is an EXCELLENT choice!!!! Make perfect sense for the modern version and the classic version of him.

2. Ok, fine. Lets forget about the Comparison with Saitama. Even without him, I just wanted to make the point Superman in this movie is a goof who just stand here with his sad face not even trying to speak back and explain to the people who also LOVE him as a God. To defend himself as Boycot Boy he is.
In other Thread as well a good example of Superman was from a Crossover with Him and Shazam. SUPERMAN DID SH*T to help the others. He had a personality. He cared about his friend. He was willing go against FATE. The Fate who select a little kid being a Hero. Superman was here seeing the transformation of Shazam to a little boy and Superman with a very painfull [I imagine] voice said to him "Who did this to you?"
When I read this for the same time was "OH SH*T SON! THAT AN AWESOME MOMENT SUPERMAN I LOVE PLEASE I WANT YOUR BABY".
Words and emotions are sometimes more powerful than the action. I wish I could see this Superman on the movie.

3. I don't care. I really liked Aquaman promotion and I wanted to see have a more active role in the movie. I even wish at some point to help Lois to find the Spear underwater. You know just to see him do something for a sec.
*bloop*, "Here you go my lady" *leave from the movie*.

4. But that why I rage god DAMMIT BATMAN!!! Think about.
Flash: Oh look Lex made a good looking Logo for my file. I guess I will use this as my symbol.
-_-

 

[mduncan50]

- Lex Luthor being a copy/paste of The Joker:
I'll agree on this, I found Jesse Eisenberg's portayal of Lex to be a huge let down and fell right into all the reservations people had about the casting choice. Lex to me was always calm and calculating, a shrewd businessman who was plotting from afar. In Batman v Superman, he seemed unhinged/insane and terribly awkward. His inability to address a crowd of people without coming across as a lunatic was bizarre and didn't sit right with me. I don't know if it comes down to the writing or the acting (although lets be honest, he wouldn't be saying things or doing things that aren't written), but it really missed the mark.

- Lex hating Superman because he's God-like then creating a God-like in the process:
Your basic assumption here is incorrect. Lex doesn't hate Superman purely because he's like a God, he hates Superman because Lex cannot control him and his power. Lex creates Doomsday, a being with all the power of a God, but that which Lex seeks to control in lieu of Superman whom he cannot. Lex's entire motivation throughout the movie is attempting to control situations and those around him, something he knows he cannot do to Superman (but feels he may succeed in doing by dangling Martha as the carrot).

- One Punch Man comparison:
Irrelevant because it's got nothing to do with the character of Superman in the DC cinematic universe.

- Stupid Aquaman cameo:
I'll agree it was pretty awful, it lingered far too long compared to the other cameos that were demonstrated and to be honest it lacked pretty much all impact because it was too slow and didn't demonstrate anything other than it _being_ Aquaman for me to excited. Aquaman shooting off through the water was pretty cool, but the rest was poorly executed. There have been issues bringing Aquaman to the big and small screen for years, and most of it is because... well... to be honest he's not that great a character. His abilities are somewhat unhelpful without there being some contrivance employed in which they can be made helpful. I'm not terribly excited about Aquaman, and they've got a long road ahead to get me there - perhaps a standalone movie will help.

- Superhero logos on Lex's network/computer:
This was purely fan service, it served no purpose otherwise (if anything I rolled my eyes when they appeared because I thought it was a but _too_ on the nose). Your argument however makes no sense. First you're moaning that showing the logos is bad because it expects the audience to know who is associated with each logo and you suggest naming them closer to their names so that it would be easier to figure out who it is, but then you suddenly switch to suggesting even LESS descriptive names (like Subject 109) and then imply that by just seeing The Flash doing his thing you would know who it is? So which one is it, more descriptive names and no logos to help people identify the heroes or less descriptive names because the heroes are easily identifiable by who they are... you're making diametrically opposite suggestions here. To be honest I think the approach was fine, if a little bit or a cornball execution.

- Superman/Batman fight being over sooner:
So firstly, I don't just walk up to someone and start using my parent's first names when referring to them because the individual I'm talking to would be utterly confused. They would have no idea as to who I am talking about. Who the hell is Martha? Why the hell are you talking to me about Martha? How is this related to what we're doing? We need some form of establishment up front as to what is going on. This is established during the fight and Superman's attempt to convince Bruce to help him, eventually as Superman is losing and about to be killed, he murmurs out his mother's name "Save Martha". The whole way it was approached is more impactful _because_ of Bruce's distancing of Superman from humanity over the course of the battle, Bruce suddenly sees Superman in front of him as a person with a mother (not just a mother, but a mother with THE SAME NAME) and not just this destructive uncontrollable alien being. If anything I would say the battle should have been longer since the premise upon which the movie was sold was their rivalry and it seemed very short in the grand scheme of the film's running time. I get why some people still feel the approach was ham-fisted (it possibly was a bit), but those trying to argue that the battle could be over far sooner I feel are just missing the point on purpose.

- All of Batman's dreams/nightmares were just that, dreams/nightmares:
Okay I don't get how many people missed this, but it's very clear that when The Flash (if it is The Flash and it has been verified to be him - I say this because suit-wise he really didn't look the part unless I missed some aspect of it) shows himself to Bruce in the Batcave by jumping back in time to warn him that "She is the key", it is _very clearly shown_ by the still falling papers in the air that this was not a dream even though Bruce may still interpret it as one (because he pseudo wakes/jumps with a start). I would suspect as well that Bruce's "dream" about the future is also _not a dream_ and is in fact some kind of projected memory or side effect of the time travelling Flash. Absolutely the other dreams are just that, dreams, and they are intended to not only illustrate how Bruce's mind works (or doesn't work), but also cast doubt in Bruce's (and the viewer's) mind as to whether what they saw in the very last dream sequence was real or not.

Batman v Superman was not as bad a movie as many have made it out to be, and I have a feeling a lot of people who have been slamming the movie (and I include critics in this set of people) have been doing it only because it appears to be the popular thing to do (certainly more popular than defending the movie and saying it wasn't that bad). I mean just look at the language and criticism surrounding Batman v Superman (what a flop - $165m opening weekend) compared to Jungle Book (What an amazing opening/roaring to success/whatever - $100m opening weekend). The reality is that there is utterly obvious bias that existed against BvS and it most certainly resulted in a swath of negative criticism in kind. Pretty much everyone I have spoken to about the movie who has watched it has pegged it at a 70-ish % movie (and I would put it in the same range), this is confirmed by IMDB _and_ Rottentomatoes viewer ratings that put it in that same range. This stands in stark contrast to the completely unfounded 25-30% that critics placed it at.

My only sadness is that there are people out there who would have likely really have enjoyed the movie, but who are not inherent fans and whom were likely on the fence, and who ended up never going because they saw the mound of bad reviews and decided against it and who ended up missing out on an entertaining, albeit flawed, film.

- I agree with that one. Why have Lex in your movie if you're not willing to have Lex in your movie.

- He has no way of controlling Doomsday either. Basically he's trading a god/alien of intelligence and a moral code for a god/monster that only desires the destruction of everything.

- Agreed.

-The dumbest thing about people's defense that it's "only a short tease" and therefore Aquaman will obviously be better in a bigger role, is that the entire point about having those little scenes in the movie is to try to get people excited about future movies. So if you can't give us ten seconds of him being cool, why should we be excited about another three hour movie with him in the lead role?

- The entire point of superhero logos is for easy/quick branding, and a shorthand for talking about the characters, so I thought that was well implemented.

- I don't think that mama's name had to be brought into it, but it makes no sense that Superman allowed the fight to happen. Having superspeed and the ability to fly, Supes should be able to easily stay out of Batman's way until he can get his story out.

- Yes it was verified as the Flash, but I can completely understand why that time it was a vision instead of a dream. When the audience keeps getting hit with dream sequences they're not expecting anything to differentiate one from the rest, when it otherwise is identical in tone and feel.

- If critics where just looking to pile on BvS because that's in the in thing to do, then you would expect that the score would drop steadily over time, which it didn't. It started low, and stayed low. Sure, the audience scores plummeted, but that's to be expected when Rotten Tomatoes had an Audience Score of 9.7 from over 100,000 reviews before the movie opened (IMDB was even more blatant). So even though that score has dropped it is still seriously over-inflated from what it should be. If anything, a smart and unscrupulous reviewer would give it a high score because going against the grain will always pull in more traffic and views. I think people really need to stop looking for the biased conspiracy just because most people feel different about a movie than they did. You thought it was a 7? Fine, glad you had a good time, and don't let anyone try to take that away from you. But don't act like the rest of us are gullible morons just because we didn't feel the same way. I personally would rather watch Batman and Robin again instead of Batman v Superman, I just REALLY didn't like it. But again, if you did, then I consider you the lucky one, because who goes to a movie WANTING to have a bad time?

 

[DefunctTheory]

Batman v Superman was not as bad a movie as many have made it out to be, and I have a feeling a lot of people who have been slamming the movie (and I include critics in this set of people) have been doing it only because it appears to be the popular thing to do (certainly more popular than defending the movie and saying it wasn't that bad). I mean just look at the language and criticism surrounding Batman v Superman (what a flop - $165m opening weekend) compared to Jungle Book (What an amazing opening/roaring to success/whatever - $100m opening weekend). The reality is that there is utterly obvious bias that existed against BvS and it most certainly resulted in a swath of negative criticism in kind. Pretty much everyone I have spoken to about the movie who has watched it has pegged it at a 70-ish % movie (and I would put it in the same range), this is confirmed by IMDB _and_ Rottentomatoes viewer ratings that put it in that same range. This stands in stark contrast to the completely unfounded 25-30% that critics placed it at.

I just wanted to point out that we (Me) did some math, and found out that since the 'honest' reviews started showing up on Rotten Tomatoes (Ones posted after the movie was actually released country wide), the user rating has averaged at about 40% approval. Not 70%.

And for the record, to add to your pool of people you've talked about the movie to - I peg it at 40%. At best.

My only sadness is that there are people out there who would have likely really have enjoyed the movie, but who are not inherent fans and whom were likely on the fence, and who ended up never going because they saw the mound of bad reviews and decided against it and who ended up missing out on an entertaining, albeit flawed, film.

Odd. I envy those people.

 

[SweetShark]

Hoo boy, okay so this is pretty badly written, but let me try respond:

- Lex Luthor being a copy/paste of The Joker:
I'll agree on this, I found Jesse Eisenberg's portayal of Lex to be a huge let down and fell right into all the reservations people had about the casting choice. Lex to me was always calm and calculating, a shrewd businessman who was plotting from afar. In Batman v Superman, he seemed unhinged/insane and terribly awkward. His inability to address a crowd of people without coming across as a lunatic was bizarre and didn't sit right with me. I don't know if it comes down to the writing or the acting (although lets be honest, he wouldn't be saying things or doing things that aren't written), but it really missed the mark.

- Lex hating Superman because he's God-like then creating a God-like in the process:
Your basic assumption here is incorrect. Lex doesn't hate Superman purely because he's like a God, he hates Superman because Lex cannot control him and his power. Lex creates Doomsday, a being with all the power of a God, but that which Lex seeks to control in lieu of Superman whom he cannot. Lex's entire motivation throughout the movie is attempting to control situations and those around him, something he knows he cannot do to Superman (but feels he may succeed in doing by dangling Martha as the carrot).

- One Punch Man comparison:
Irrelevant because it's got nothing to do with the character of Superman in the DC cinematic universe.

- Stupid Aquaman cameo:
I'll agree it was pretty awful, it lingered far too long compared to the other cameos that were demonstrated and to be honest it lacked pretty much all impact because it was too slow and didn't demonstrate anything other than it _being_ Aquaman for me to excited. Aquaman shooting off through the water was pretty cool, but the rest was poorly executed. There have been issues bringing Aquaman to the big and small screen for years, and most of it is because... well... to be honest he's not that great a character. His abilities are somewhat unhelpful without there being some contrivance employed in which they can be made helpful. I'm not terribly excited about Aquaman, and they've got a long road ahead to get me there - perhaps a standalone movie will help.

- Superhero logos on Lex's network/computer:
This was purely fan service, it served no purpose otherwise (if anything I rolled my eyes when they appeared because I thought it was a but _too_ on the nose). Your argument however makes no sense. First you're moaning that showing the logos is bad because it expects the audience to know who is associated with each logo and you suggest naming them closer to their names so that it would be easier to figure out who it is, but then you suddenly switch to suggesting even LESS descriptive names (like Subject 109) and then imply that by just seeing The Flash doing his thing you would know who it is? So which one is it, more descriptive names and no logos to help people identify the heroes or less descriptive names because the heroes are easily identifiable by who they are... you're making diametrically opposite suggestions here. To be honest I think the approach was fine, if a little bit or a cornball execution.

- Superman/Batman fight being over sooner:
So firstly, I don't just walk up to someone and start using my parent's first names when referring to them because the individual I'm talking to would be utterly confused. They would have no idea as to who I am talking about. Who the hell is Martha? Why the hell are you talking to me about Martha? How is this related to what we're doing? We need some form of establishment up front as to what is going on. This is established during the fight and Superman's attempt to convince Bruce to help him, eventually as Superman is losing and about to be killed, he murmurs out his mother's name "Save Martha". The whole way it was approached is more impactful _because_ of Bruce's distancing of Superman from humanity over the course of the battle, Bruce suddenly sees Superman in front of him as a person with a mother (not just a mother, but a mother with THE SAME NAME) and not just this destructive uncontrollable alien being. If anything I would say the battle should have been longer since the premise upon which the movie was sold was their rivalry and it seemed very short in the grand scheme of the film's running time. I get why some people still feel the approach was ham-fisted (it possibly was a bit), but those trying to argue that the battle could be over far sooner I feel are just missing the point on purpose.

- All of Batman's dreams/nightmares were just that, dreams/nightmares:
Okay I don't get how many people missed this, but it's very clear that when The Flash (if it is The Flash and it has been verified to be him - I say this because suit-wise he really didn't look the part unless I missed some aspect of it) shows himself to Bruce in the Batcave by jumping back in time to warn him that "She is the key", it is _very clearly shown_ by the still falling papers in the air that this was not a dream even though Bruce may still interpret it as one (because he pseudo wakes/jumps with a start). I would suspect as well that Bruce's "dream" about the future is also _not a dream_ and is in fact some kind of projected memory or side effect of the time travelling Flash. Absolutely the other dreams are just that, dreams, and they are intended to not only illustrate how Bruce's mind works (or doesn't work), but also cast doubt in Bruce's (and the viewer's) mind as to whether what they saw in the very last dream sequence was real or not.

Batman v Superman was not as bad a movie as many have made it out to be, and I have a feeling a lot of people who have been slamming the movie (and I include critics in this set of people) have been doing it only because it appears to be the popular thing to do (certainly more popular than defending the movie and saying it wasn't that bad). I mean just look at the language and criticism surrounding Batman v Superman (what a flop - $165m opening weekend) compared to Jungle Book (What an amazing opening/roaring to success/whatever - $100m opening weekend). The reality is that there is utterly obvious bias that existed against BvS and it most certainly resulted in a swath of negative criticism in kind. Pretty much everyone I have spoken to about the movie who has watched it has pegged it at a 70-ish % movie (and I would put it in the same range), this is confirmed by IMDB _and_ Rottentomatoes viewer ratings that put it in that same range. This stands in stark contrast to the completely unfounded 25-30% that critics placed it at.

My only sadness is that there are people out there who would have likely really have enjoyed the movie, but who are not inherent fans and whom were likely on the fence, and who ended up never going because they saw the mound of bad reviews and decided against it and who ended up missing out on an entertaining, albeit flawed, film.

Sorry, but I am from Greece and my English isn't my main Language. I know I use this reason a lot to excuse myself, but this is the true.
Also I really like your explanations as well. Please let me answer:

1. Thank for agree with Lex's new persona. We really need a calculating calm villain to plot something massive to win Superman. THIS Lex isn't the one.

2. Fair enough. I had the assumption Lex hated the idea of God like being have the control the Earth at some point. I though Lex wanted to show even he is a weak human can make God himself serve him and kill him of course.
But then here is a question: Is there any kind of clue how Lex could then control Doomsday after defeated Superman. Not kill him. Control him as you said.

3. I wanted to make a point Superman should speak to make people understand him. No cover his tutu between his legs and run away without saying anything. Saitama did that with his own way.

4. Aquaman = Disappointment.

5. Sorry about that. That I was trying to say is it doesn't matter what kind of name it would have a file for each Metahuman. Even it describe a unique feature or just a generic name was fine. But having the logos of Superheroes who will use as their simple, make a little rage.

6. Of course I was joking about the whole scene. Realistically, after the first attack [the sound wave one], Superman just could yell IMMEDIATELY "A HUMAN LIFE IS IN DANGER AND YOU NEED TO STOP RIGHT NOW. I NEED YOUR HELP". You get my point.
Heck ,at ANY POINT of the fight Superman could yell that but no, he decided to say it before Batman could kill him with the Spear....
Do you know how this fight could make sense: If Lex, a Real Lex told Superman "Also don't even think about telling Batman the truth. I have in the whole area covered with any kind surveillance gadgets and men covered with cloak suits with the technology that cover their heartbeat to infor me and at any moment they can that you f*cked up our little deal."
This could be at least cool I guess.

7. I wanted to express my disappointment that a part of a film which I though it was real, was just a dream. That it. I know it had a purpose, I really wanted to see a scenario of Superman doing this. Just for the mystery god dammit...
Plus to be well written and make sense of course, not just because dreams.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

This Aquaman hate is echo-chamber-y and nitpicky

Judging an entire character and movie because of how one shot of him was filmed

 

[SweetShark]

This Aquaman hate is echo-chamber-y and nitpicky

Judging an entire character and movie because of how one shot of him was filmed

Yes, it is nitpicky.
But this doesn't stop me to find others things why the movie was just ok for me.
If the problem was just Aquaman, I could let it slide. But seeing so many problems, it made me have the need to start tearing the movie apart for my enjoyment.
Just think how I felt I paid 7 euro to see an awesome cameo or an important role in the movie base the promotion the filmmakers did for him and in the end I get some seconds of him swimming doing nothing....

 

[DefunctTheory]

This Aquaman hate is echo-chamber-y and nitpicky

Judging an entire character and movie because of how one shot of him was filmed

It's not echo chambery or nitpicky.

It would be nitpicky if Aquaman showed up in a stinger for 5 seconds and we didn't like it. BvS stopped the whole god damn movie to jam our faces into a trailer parade sex show, but then they couldn't get it up. You may excuse them and say 'It's ok, it happens to the best of us,' but I'm not. Don't drag me into a dark alley when your flaccid, DC.