Yooka-Laylee Review - Banjo-Threeie

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Steven Bogos said:
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Jim's site is down 'cause he gave it a 2/10
IMO, he is an idiot. A 2/10 score denotes a game that is functionally broken. Endless glitches, missing segments, early access alpha type stuff. I understand if he didn't like the game but a 2/10 score is just insulting.
I don't post on the Escapist much, if at all, anymore, but this particular post really got to me. Agree with Sterling's score or no, calling a fellow reviewer an idiot because you feel his 2/10 is unwarranted is more than a little unprofessional. I've not played Yooka Laylee, so I can't state whether Jim is 'wrong' or you are 'right', but given the fact that a review is fundamentally an opinion piece supported by one's findings, neither of you are wrong or right. I just believe you are in the wrong for stating a fellow reviewer is an idiot over this. It's not an insulting score. It's merely HIS opnion.
 

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Steven Bogos said:
Silentpony said:
Jim's site is down 'cause he gave it a 2/10
IMO, he is an idiot. A 2/10 score denotes a game that is functionally broken. Endless glitches, missing segments, early access alpha type stuff. I understand if he didn't like the game but a 2/10 score is just insulting.
I wouldn't post in here since YL doesn't interest me. However, reading this, calling someone who once contributed to the Escapist an idiot, merely because he holds a diffirent view, isn't exactly professional. And unfortunatly, this only jeopardises your believability as a reviewer/contributor to the Escapist.
 

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From all the reviews I've read, I've come to two conclusions about Yooka-Laylee:

1: The PC version is the best one right now both on a visual and performance level.

2: There are many little problems with the game that fans of mascot platformers will likely be able to look past but will turn away most others.

It's sad to see this one not do so well, but at least most of us can agree that it isn't nearly as bad as Mighty No. 9 was. Now we just need to hope Bloodstained manages stick the landing.
 

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2.2 Hours Playtime,gives YL a 4.5/5, and has the gall to take a swing at another reviewer?
 

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Just throwing this out there, but Jim have Mighty Number 9 a 4/10.

He is certainly entitled to his opinion, but that doesn't make him immune to critique. 2/10 seems a rad harsh to me. I don't personally believe that YL is worse than MN9, though I have yet to play it. Jim is certainly allowed to not like the game, but criticizing it for being a fairly faithful Banjo clone (warts and all) when that is pretty much exactly what it was designed to be is a bit off the mark in my opinion.

Now as I said, Jim is free to rate a game any score he wants, but people are free to disagree with his scores as well. I personally just feel 2/10 is harsh. In my opinion that is basically saying "This game has absolutely no redeeming qualities beyond the fact that it is playable."
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
To me this just proves that 10 out of 10 score is not a good measurement of quality.

5-5 score is much more streamlined.

5 = Flawless

4 = Great

3 = Decent, Average, Good.

2 = Bad, Mediocre.

1 = Broken, Failure.
I always thought of it as
5 - Play it
4 - Good for people who are into this sort of thing
3 - It's okay
2 - Don't play it
1 - Literally cancer
 

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Steven Bogos said:
Silentpony said:
Jim's site is down 'cause he gave it a 2/10
IMO, he is an idiot. A 2/10 score denotes a game that is functionally broken. Endless glitches, missing segments, early access alpha type stuff. I understand if he didn't like the game but a 2/10 score is just insulting.
Nice professionalism. Calling another reviewer you disagree with an idiot. I'd expect that sort of thing from the common rabble of the internet, but not someone who does this on a website that's supposed to be professional.
 

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Just throwing this out there, but Jim have Mighty Number 9 a 4/10.
From what I've heard Jim paid someone else to review of MN9 Because he hated playing through it so much. so that explains some inconsistencies with the score
 

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o_O what is with Sterling lately? His reviews seem all over the place. Also, damn but he has some rabid fans, sweet christ guys, you're making the Zelda guys who allegedly DDOSed look like moderates.
 

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Steven Bogos said:
IMO, he is an idiot.
Ah, so not reviewing like you do makes him 'an idiot' hm?

Classy.

Makes me wonder whether you've even read his review. It seems professionalism left The Escapist when Jim Sterling struck out on his own.
 

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Steven Bogos said:
Silentpony said:
Jim's site is down 'cause he gave it a 2/10
IMO, he is an idiot. A 2/10 score denotes a game that is functionally broken. Endless glitches, missing segments, early access alpha type stuff. I understand if he didn't like the game but a 2/10 score is just insulting.
That's really sensitive stance there mate. I mean, I get it. It annoys me when I see good entertainment attracting bile from others, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't notice that I do the same.

I just look at it as a challenge now.
 

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Never a fan of the Banjo Kazooie style, seems to be a very odd spread of reviews from "its just what you want" to "this is all the wrong things from an era of awkward game creation that they refused to evolve and sucks for it".
 

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CaptainMarvelous said:
o_O what is with Sterling lately? His reviews seem all over the place. Also, damn but he has some rabid fans, sweet christ guys, you're making the Zelda guys who allegedly DDOSed look like moderates.
How, exactly, does people criticising a supposedly professional reviewer who took an inappropriate potshot at another review for posting a lower score make people who tried to literally fuck with someone's livelihood/censor their opinion by taking their site down look like moderates?
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Pyrian said:
Steven Bogos said:
A 2/10 score denotes a game that is functionally broken.
Really? A functionally broken game is worth more than 1?

It amuses me to contrast the two reviews. They both state outright that the game is almost exactly like Banjo Kazooie. The disagreement seems to be mostly about whether or not that's a GOOD thing.
To me this just proves that 10 out of 10 score is not a good measurement of quality.

5-5 score is much more streamlined.

5 = Flawless

4 = Great

3 = Decent, Average, Good.

2 = Bad, Mediocre.

1 = Broken, Failure.
How does having a marking system with even less room for nuance make a better measurement for quality?
I can understand people hating review scores in general but this seems a little off.
 

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TrulyBritish said:
CaptainMarvelous said:
o_O what is with Sterling lately? His reviews seem all over the place. Also, damn but he has some rabid fans, sweet christ guys, you're making the Zelda guys who allegedly DDOSed look like moderates.
How, exactly, does people criticising a supposedly professional reviewer who took an inappropriate potshot at another review for posting a lower score make people who tried to literally fuck with someone's livelihood/censor their opinion by taking their site down look like moderates?
Intended as hyperbole.

Although, thinking on it more, wouldnt taking down Sterling's site merely inconvenience him? Isn't he funded quite healthily on Patreon/is very present on youtube so neither option seems like it would or could occur.

Not defending it, mind, but its hardly like they jeapordised his entire future just made an annoyance. Allegedly.
 

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Guilion said:
Steven Bogos said:
Silentpony said:
Jim's site is down 'cause he gave it a 2/10
IMO, he is an idiot. A 2/10 score denotes a game that is functionally broken. Endless glitches, missing segments, early access alpha type stuff. I understand if he didn't like the game but a 2/10 score is just insulting.
Yes, Jim is an idiot for expressing his subjective opinion and you, the reviewer that has given this game the highest rating on metacritic as of the time ofbthis writing, are the ultimate authority to call him out on it after having played a whole 2.2 hours of the game.
He did start with "in my opinion" and going off the extra information its also clear why he holds that opinion.

Still probably shouldnt have gone with Idiot but Im not really seein how Jim's 2 which is WAY below average is the objective truth and Bogos is wrong for disagreeing.
 

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CaptainMarvelous said:
TrulyBritish said:
CaptainMarvelous said:
o_O what is with Sterling lately? His reviews seem all over the place. Also, damn but he has some rabid fans, sweet christ guys, you're making the Zelda guys who allegedly DDOSed look like moderates.
How, exactly, does people criticising a supposedly professional reviewer who took an inappropriate potshot at another review for posting a lower score make people who tried to literally fuck with someone's livelihood/censor their opinion by taking their site down look like moderates?
Intended as hyperbole.

Although, thinking on it more, wouldnt taking down Sterling's site merely inconvenience him? Isn't he funded quite healthily on Patreon/is very present on youtube so neither option seems like it would or could occur.

Not defending it, mind, but its hardly like they jeapordised his entire future just made an annoyance. Allegedly.
I'm aware, but I'm going by intent. I'm assuming that those trying to DDOS Jim were doing it to 1) prevent him earning money from clicks (which is pointless as you point out), 2) prevent others from reading his negative review or 3) Somehow hope that a tantrum will cause him to reconsider and give it a higher score.

Added Edit: This isn't about Jim being objectively right and Bogos wrong, it just gets on my wick when reviewers launches insults at other reviewers over scores. I expect it from man children in Youtube comments, not from supposed professionals.
That said, if it's true that Bogos has only played 2.2 hours, I do wonder just how much he could have played to give it such a high score.
 

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TrulyBritish said:
CaptainMarvelous said:
TrulyBritish said:
CaptainMarvelous said:
o_O what is with Sterling lately? His reviews seem all over the place. Also, damn but he has some rabid fans, sweet christ guys, you're making the Zelda guys who allegedly DDOSed look like moderates.
How, exactly, does people criticising a supposedly professional reviewer who took an inappropriate potshot at another review for posting a lower score make people who tried to literally fuck with someone's livelihood/censor their opinion by taking their site down look like moderates?
Intended as hyperbole.

Although, thinking on it more, wouldnt taking down Sterling's site merely inconvenience him? Isn't he funded quite healthily on Patreon/is very present on youtube so neither option seems like it would or could occur.

Not defending it, mind, but its hardly like they jeapordised his entire future just made an annoyance. Allegedly.
I'm aware, but I'm going by intent. I'm assuming that those trying to DDOS Jim were doing it to 1) prevent him earning money from clicks (which is pointless as you point out), 2) prevent others from reading his negative review or 3) Somehow hope that a tantrum will cause him to reconsider and give it a higher score.

Added Edit: This isn't about Jim being objectively right and Bogos wrong, it just gets on my wick when reviewers launches insults at other reviewers over scores. I expect it from man children in Youtube comments, not from supposed professionals.
That said, if it's true that Bogos has only played 2.2 hours, I do wonder just how much he could have played to give it such a high score.
I can't speak to their intentions but if it was malicious it was also very poorly thought out. Anyway, I learned my lesson on being hyperbolic without clearer context since I can see how it could sound sincere.

As far as the review times go, I have no idea how long Sterling played but I feel confident a 2 (half the score Mighty No 9 got from himself) is the oddity more than Bogos' high score.
 

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Guilion said:
CaptainMarvelous said:
Guilion said:
Steven Bogos said:
Silentpony said:
Jim's site is down 'cause he gave it a 2/10
IMO, he is an idiot. A 2/10 score denotes a game that is functionally broken. Endless glitches, missing segments, early access alpha type stuff. I understand if he didn't like the game but a 2/10 score is just insulting.
Yes, Jim is an idiot for expressing his subjective opinion and you, the reviewer that has given this game the highest rating on metacritic as of the time ofbthis writing, are the ultimate authority to call him out on it after having played a whole 2.2 hours of the game.
He did start with "in my opinion" and going off the extra information its also clear why he holds that opinion.

Still probably shouldnt have gone with Idiot but Im not really seein how Jim's 2 which is WAY below average is the objective truth and Bogos is wrong for disagreeing.
... And I'm just saying that he is absolutely right about his clearly informed opinion.

I don't know what you're arguing here considering that I've done nothing but praise his stellar job so far.
My Dysarcasmia is acting up, I have no idea what end of this is genuine. Blasted text with its lack of voice tones!