I was talkign about ablility changes based on a toggle not the clones/minionsRednog said:Yes and no, they are the first combo adc champ, that's true (no Jayce technically isn't an ADC). And yes they are really the first champs to be two distinct individuals who aren't on the screen at once and instead trade places. Unless I'm forgetting anyone I think Willup/Nunu are the only other duo in the game, and they are the only ones who are both around at the same time.direkiller said:excpet for Jayce,Nid,EliseSteven Bogos said:the first ever "carry combo" to enter the fields of justice. Quinn and Valor utilize a unique mechanic where the two characters can "tag" in and out of combat at will, effectively being two champions for the price of one.
To a lesser extent Swain,Heimerdinger,Vane, Leblanc
I know it's a marketing thing. But the concept of switching up ablilitys with Ultmite/skill has been done before
Nidalee and Elise are still themselves, they just shapeshift. Jayce just switches the form of his weapon.
Q&V abilities are basically different versions of each other, which contrasts greatly to the previously mentioned champs.
The only other champ that follows this methodology of same skill but varied is Shyvana.
Vayne? Uhh sort of missing the logic behind that one.
As for Swain, yea it's just him turning into a bird, but he still retains the same abilities. I would equate that more to a ultimate particle flavor than an actual "swap", more akin to like Nasus or Renekton getting bigger/color change/particle effects.
Leblanc's clone is a controllable minions, more akin to Tibbers, Shaco's clone, Mordekaizer's clone, etc. Not really a swap of abilities, or a variation on abilities when they are brought out.
And finally there are the non controllable minons such as Heimer and Zyra, they are pretty much a minion that's thrown on the ground and not controlable, neither a transformation of skills nor a new set of skills.
Q&V is still one champion what partical effect is used to change the charter model is irrelevant(They share the same HP bar,Items, Cool downs). The concept of new set of abilities has been done before.
as for your objections:
Vane:Final Hour changes night hunter and tumble
Dingers upgrade changes all his outer abilities
LB ult changes depending on the skill last used
EDIT:Also Swain/Beatrice are together(admitly On Screen) and possibly switch places during the ult
I forgot about Shvana altogether but you can add her to the list