"You can't love animal's if you're not a vegetarian"
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I love animals. I grew up with many as pets and considered them to be family. Currently, the family has a dog who seems attached to me at the hip whenever I come home from college for a few days. I also love animals as food (not the same animals, different ones... like pigs, cows, chickens, etc).
Whoever made that statement clearly doesn't know what a vegetarian really is or doesn't know what love is. My guess is that he is a hate-filled moron trying to troll. Which is sad because there are so many better ways he could have done so and come off reasonably intelligent (not exceedingly, just reasonably). Regardless, animals are awesome. They can be delicious.
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Wait... By chance, he/she didn't mean "love" as in "sexual attraction" did he? Because I could see where he/she is coming from there... but then they have a different problem entirely and you're off the hook for that one.
Whoever made that statement clearly doesn't know what a vegetarian really is or doesn't know what love is. My guess is that he is a hate-filled moron trying to troll. Which is sad because there are so many better ways he could have done so and come off reasonably intelligent (not exceedingly, just reasonably). Regardless, animals are awesome. They can be delicious.
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Wait... By chance, he/she didn't mean "love" as in "sexual attraction" did he? Because I could see where he/she is coming from there... but then they have a different problem entirely and you're off the hook for that one.
Is it just me or is the answer very fucking obvious.
Its totally arbitrary but you can eat meat and love animals. Just not ALL animals. The statement "I love animals" describes you feeling affection for animals plural. Many animals. And i do. I love penguins and giraffes and jellyfish and octopuses and whales. I cant say i feel this same feeling of affection for cows and pigs and chickens. So while as a meat eater i cant say "I love ALL animals" i can definitely say "I like animals" in the same way you can say "I like cheese" and not love ALL cheeses in the entire world. You can say "I like spicey foods" and hate spice flavored animal feces. Just because there are a few exceptions doesn't make the statement false since the statement isnt totally blanket. It isnt "I love ALL animals". As a meat eater i totally concede i am unable to honestly say this phrase. Im ok with that.
I accept the animals I like and dont like are fairly arbitrary. There is no rule of intelligence. Its tangentially related to scarcity and normality but not totally. I just view cows chickens and pigs as animals we have domesticated and bred for eating. I dont view them as a wild animal anymore (the wild relatives obviously being exceptions). They are farmed. Morally i feel like im close to being vegetarian. Im thinking about it. Although i cant say i feel BAD eating meat i can definitely see why being vegetarian is a morally sound stance compared to eating meat. I dont have the will to be a vegetarian. I dont feel it. I can reason it morally but in practice i dont really feel what i see on paper that i should. Maybe that makes me a bad person. Im not sure. Im still thinking about it.
Its totally arbitrary but you can eat meat and love animals. Just not ALL animals. The statement "I love animals" describes you feeling affection for animals plural. Many animals. And i do. I love penguins and giraffes and jellyfish and octopuses and whales. I cant say i feel this same feeling of affection for cows and pigs and chickens. So while as a meat eater i cant say "I love ALL animals" i can definitely say "I like animals" in the same way you can say "I like cheese" and not love ALL cheeses in the entire world. You can say "I like spicey foods" and hate spice flavored animal feces. Just because there are a few exceptions doesn't make the statement false since the statement isnt totally blanket. It isnt "I love ALL animals". As a meat eater i totally concede i am unable to honestly say this phrase. Im ok with that.
I accept the animals I like and dont like are fairly arbitrary. There is no rule of intelligence. Its tangentially related to scarcity and normality but not totally. I just view cows chickens and pigs as animals we have domesticated and bred for eating. I dont view them as a wild animal anymore (the wild relatives obviously being exceptions). They are farmed. Morally i feel like im close to being vegetarian. Im thinking about it. Although i cant say i feel BAD eating meat i can definitely see why being vegetarian is a morally sound stance compared to eating meat. I dont have the will to be a vegetarian. I dont feel it. I can reason it morally but in practice i dont really feel what i see on paper that i should. Maybe that makes me a bad person. Im not sure. Im still thinking about it.
Hmm, so eating meat makes you into a fuzzy little critter smashing demonpants? Brb, off to stomp on my favourite bunnies.
You seem to be under the impression that all farmers/ranchers should let animals they love die naturally, which is rediculous, you raise them, you milk them, then when they get old enough but not too old you take them to a butcher you trust, it's not as if you raise them only to kill them.CarlMinez said:
This question is more ridiculous than the situation, a "habit" of killing and eating pets? Do they do this randomly, or can't they control it when it happens? Or is it once a month that they eat a pet? If they raise a pet only to eat it, then I wouldn't take them seriously no.
You also seem to be under the impression that people don't keep farmyard animals as pets, a surprising amount of people do keep pigs as pets, but I don't recall them having any problem with eating ham.
I fail to see how eating something diminishes a persons love for it, personally I think killing the thing you love would do more for taking away your love for something than eating it, and that's not even looking into specifics, like a single animal, since animals are individuals and vary quite a lot from one another, the reason pig owners don't feel bad about ham is because it isn't their pig they're eating.
Getting back to your earlier question, in some countries they do eat dogs, if a person had a dog for a pet that they loved, and they ate dog meat, I would not think of that as strange, or think they didn't love their dog.
Amen! I love my cat, doesn't mean I will eat her! Though, if the zombie apocalypse happens, all bets are off!Dags90 said:
who doesn't love animals I ask you.... who?
Seriously though, I love dogs, when I went through a hard time with my parents divorce my dog was there for me, you sure as hell can't share that with a chicken or cow,... or other people (for that matter), seriously who can understand people other than that fur ball of unconditional love I ask you.... So, in closing, who ever stated that can kindly go take a long walk some where else.
Seriously though, I love dogs, when I went through a hard time with my parents divorce my dog was there for me, you sure as hell can't share that with a chicken or cow,... or other people (for that matter), seriously who can understand people other than that fur ball of unconditional love I ask you.... So, in closing, who ever stated that can kindly go take a long walk some where else.
tell that to a farmer who is passionate about his livestock. Nice way to get either a grown men crying or a solid punch in the d.
I think plants are pretty neat, I eat them though.
I'm sure the cavemen loved animals they kept around, but because they lacked another source of protine they would do poorly if they didn't eat them. Does this make them evil?
Do you spare the mosquito in your room, even if it does no real harm to you (outside of malaria country)?
You could make the argument that you probably shouldn't eat animals if you love them. But to say that you "CAN'T" is just retarded
I think plants are pretty neat, I eat them though.
I'm sure the cavemen loved animals they kept around, but because they lacked another source of protine they would do poorly if they didn't eat them. Does this make them evil?
Do you spare the mosquito in your room, even if it does no real harm to you (outside of malaria country)?
You could make the argument that you probably shouldn't eat animals if you love them. But to say that you "CAN'T" is just retarded
The first movie I watched in cinemas was "The Lion King".Killing animals for food is just part of the circle of Life!
BUT, everything in moderation. Remember when Scar ate all the animals with his creepy friends? It turns the planet into a desert!
Eating meat isn't inherently "bad", but it makes me sick how some people tend to celebrate meat like it's the greatest thing. A healthy diet should contain meat, but it should also not be entirely based on it. And don't forget that this overconsumption of meat pushes the abuse and industrialization of the meat economy. We, as modern people in a modern society, could benefit from eating less meat.
BUT, everything in moderation. Remember when Scar ate all the animals with his creepy friends? It turns the planet into a desert!
Eating meat isn't inherently "bad", but it makes me sick how some people tend to celebrate meat like it's the greatest thing. A healthy diet should contain meat, but it should also not be entirely based on it. And don't forget that this overconsumption of meat pushes the abuse and industrialization of the meat economy. We, as modern people in a modern society, could benefit from eating less meat.
Don't mean to be rude, but can you clarify a bit? Are you suggesting that everyone who eats meat has to have the balls to butcher it themselves? I enjoy my meat products, but I just don't have the stomach for seeing blood pour out of an animal. I highly respect anyone who can handle large amounts of blood and gore professionally, whether they be a butcher or a surgeon. Does this make me a bad person?NinjaDeathSlap said:
Seriously, props to the doctors and butchers out there.
Well that depends really are we talking about loving animals in general or loving a specific animal. If it's the former then the statement makes sense, you've got some screwed up ideas about love if you eat those you love. If it's the later then the statement is rubish. There are plenty of humans and animals I love, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be able to personally kill a human or an animal, let alone just simpely being responsible of it.
As a vegetarian the evolution argument has always pissed me of. It's only been a few decades that daily meat intake became available to most members of western society. Before that people ate meat, but not nearly enough as they do now. It was just too hard to get meat. Eating meat was like a bonus, something that didn't happen really often, and our body was not addapted to it being normal to have meat in your daily diet. Also many people who use the evolution theorem understand jake shit about it. And even if the evolution argument wouldn't have been complete bullshit, it's not like we can't get passed our evolution. Humans weren't evolved to use smartphones either.BeeGeenie said:That's kind of beside the point.Ginger768 said:Part of our Evolution? is that a joke?...Tell me if it is i'm terrible on picking up on this stuffTanis said:That 'argument' is bad, and whoever makes it should feel bad.
We're animals, that eat meat.
It's part of our evolution, DEAL WIT IT!
You can survive without meat there's no necessity for it. The human race wouldn't end if we all became allergic to the stuff. We're omnivores, and since we live in a society that allows you to choose what you want to eat and both meat and other types of food are always available whether you eat meat or not is optional.
We have canines, we can digest meat. We are evolved to be able to eat animals. Just because it's physically possible to survive without it doesn't change the fact that we're suited to it.
Yes, it is optional, but the reason it's an option at all is evolution... and over-abundance of food.
If there was a famine and all your tofu was gone, you might suddenly find Rover much more appetizing.
It's fine you don't want to be a vegetarian. It's fine not caring about the environment, public health, it's fine you don't care about animal rights. But don't be such a freaking pussy, and just flat out say so that you don't want to go through the effort to make a change in your diet.
what do i think of the quote?Hobohodo said:
it makes me want to punch vegetarians in the mouth and eat a panda right out of spite for them being such pretentious stuck up *****!!!!!!
I'm not saying you have to want to butcher your own food yourself. It's just the people who honestly have next to know idea how the food on their plates got there, and then when they find out act like they're witnessing the Holocaust in action. Of course, none of these sort of people will ever actually follow through on their righteous indignation and actually stop eating the product of the slaughter that sickens them so much. A stop at McDonald's on their way home will normally put it right out of their minds.spacecowboy86 said: