You Can't Play The Witcher 2 On a Non-NTFS HDD

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Rack

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Azhrarn-101 said:
Rack said:
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Rack said:
Considering the thing needs 4 gigs a quad core and a bleeding edge graphics card this is an especially nonsense limitation.
Not really, all of that functions perfectly with Windows XP, and that runs just fine on a FAT32 HDD, NTFS is the defacto standard, but that doesn't mean everyone uses it.

If you're running anything younger than Windows XP though, NTFS should be the default, I believe Vista and Windows 7 won't even install on a FAT32 drive and will simply format it to NTFS is needed.
Technically true, though you do need to be running the bizarre 64 bit version of XP to get that 4 gig of RAM. But I can't imagine who'd opt for XP 64 bit on a system like that let alone use an antiquated file structure on it. Possible? Sure, but so marginal as to be a very minor issue.
You can simply install the 4GB of RAM even for the 32-bit version of XP, it won't allow you to use more than 3.5GB of it, but that's a different matter. ;)
Depends on how you interpret "get" of course, you can put it into the computer, it just runs poorly because you can't use dual channel and your system can't access it all. It's something it's possible to run foul of but it seems akin to if you found out Crysis 2 needed a 2 button mouse or a download manager required an Internet connection.
 

Vrach

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Someone still uses FAT32? Even my USBs are formatted to NTFS nowdays, my hard drives have been using the NTFS for the past decade or so.
 

Snotnarok

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When are companies going to stop trying to screw people over? List these damn things.
 

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Snotnarok said:
When are companies going to stop trying to screw people over? List these damn things.
It's not a lie, just an oversight. It's a file system issue, not a game one, very few people still use FAT32 nowadays. If you ever tried to burn a DVD image to your hard drive, you'd have run into this problem long ago cause FAT32 doesn't support single files that are bigger than 4 GBs. I imagine Witcher's just the first game to use a single file that big or something if it's the first time this has happened.

Also, it's not really a requirement. I mean it is but... if you failed to list a video card requirement, people would have to buy a new video card if their current one couldn't run the game. That's a requirement imo. This just requires you to get a single partition formatted as NTFS, you don't have to buy anything for it. At best it's an issue if you've only got a single partition (which is stupid to do in the first place), even then you can get some free program to just create a new partition for you without even having to format the old one. And really, anyone who's gaming and has a system to support playing Witcher 2 should be on NTFS by now - personally, to those people, I'd consider this "issue" to be a public service announcement on switching to a newer file system :)
 

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Sebenko said:
Good to see we're working on that PR problem PC gamers seem to have in the eyes of console players, huh?
I say we let 'em have it. I mean, c'mon! We give them such colorful names like 'console fanbois', 'consoletards', etc and all they call us is 'elitists'. I mean, really? They're not even trying... It seems like they waste all their talent <url=http://www.destructoid.com/the-psn-facebook-page-your-new-source-of-facepalm-200121.phtml>only on each other.

I say we keep jabbing the console gamers till we get some more animosity.
 

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(Insert giggle about the poster that built his own pc but didn't know what a file system was here.)
Well that just says something about how easy it is to build a PC I guess
 

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Lord_Gremlin said:
Ah PC gaming. I would buy this game for PS3 though.
You might be waiting a while for that. While CD Projekt have said they'd be happy to port the game to consoles and have already ensured their engine can run sufficient assets on consoles to make porting viable with some tweaking (down-scaling graphics, chopping up maps into smaller discrete units, etc), they're not a company that gets excited about console gaming.

Basically, they'll do it once they're offered enough publishing/distro deals to make it worth their while to make the ports.
 

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Wait, people still use FAT32? The only thing I'd ever use FAT32 for would be when using USB-sticks to install OS's..
 

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Snotnarok said:
When are companies going to stop trying to screw people over? List these damn things.
This is... screwing people over? Aren't you being a little dramatic? It was simply an over-sight.
 

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CommanderKirov said:
Lord_Gremlin said:
Ah PC gaming. I would buy this game for PS3 though.
I'm sorry, but your black box is not nearly powerful enough to run this game on proper settings.


Finally a game that was not developed with thought of having to fit in the tight limitations of console markets. But if CD project feels generous enough console people might get a PC port in some time... Mabby.
Well, it looks almost as good as Uncharted 2. But nothing so extreme that it can't be ported.
 

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Chances are if you are still using FAT32 then your computer can't run the game anyway.
This thread is needlessly dramatic.
 

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Why would anyone format a system HHD to FAT32? The only thing I have in FAT32 format are small thumb drives, so they can transfer data between PCs and Macs. A 4 GB file isn't that big in today's standards. If a game takes up 16 GB of space, you may think that some of the files might be bigger than 4 GB.

This sounds more like technological incompetence rather than a developer problem.
 

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Chances are if you are still using FAT32 then your computer can't run the game anyway.
This thread is needlessly dramatic.
Say it brother!

Seriously, stop acting like little children in here. If you can play any game from this generation you already have an NTFS-formatted hard drive. And I haven't seen ANY developer mentioning that EVER. I don't even see how this qualifies as news.
 

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I'm sorry, but who in their right mind uses FAT32 these days?
People on Macs that also run Windows via Bootcamp frequently use FAT32 partitions, as it's the only file system able to be written to by both operating systems. A common setup is a small partition for both operating systems, and the remainder of the drive as FAT32.
I use Bootcamp frequently on my Mac, but due to having a relatively small internal drive, I have only 25GB partitioned for my Windows install and system files. I then use a large external drive which is formatted half/half HFS+ (Mac) and NTFS (PC), where I install most of my Windows games and programs. I also have another, older 180GB external which I have formatted to FAT32 to use as a backup and swap drive. I usually have this unplugged, turning it on only when necessary.

This system works well for me - I can get around FAT32 being kind of unreliable for installing large games on, while still being able to transfer things easily between the two partitions. It does require 2 externals however! (Or one giant one with 3 partitions, I suppose.)

So, regarding the OT: were I to buy and play The Witcher 2, this system would allow me to install it fine. I'd be tempted to do so, if my graphics card were more powerful ...
 

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Vrach said:
Snotnarok said:
When are companies going to stop trying to screw people over? List these damn things.
It's not a lie, just an oversight. It's a file system issue, not a game one, very few people still use FAT32 nowadays. If you ever tried to burn a DVD image to your hard drive, you'd have run into this problem long ago cause FAT32 doesn't support single files that are bigger than 4 GBs. I imagine Witcher's just the first game to use a single file that big or something if it's the first time this has happened.

Also, it's not really a requirement. I mean it is but... if you failed to list a video card requirement, people would have to buy a new video card if their current one couldn't run the game. That's a requirement imo. This just requires you to get a single partition formatted as NTFS, you don't have to buy anything for it. At best it's an issue if you've only got a single partition (which is stupid to do in the first place), even then you can get some free program to just create a new partition for you without even having to format the old one. And really, anyone who's gaming and has a system to support playing Witcher 2 should be on NTFS by now - personally, to those people, I'd consider this "issue" to be a public service announcement on switching to a newer file system :)
It's not an oversight, not everyone apparently has gotten over this if it makes the news like this. It's the same thing that happened with me and Black Ops, Dual core Supported in the requirements, except it took 6 months for me to be able to play it because, well of my dual core processor and their lack of testing and willing to admit their product doesn't support something.

I get it that it's obsolete but it should at least say this. A small note would have cleared all of this up. It'd suck if someone had got the game and got screwed by this slight oversight.

Raiyan 1.0 said:
Snotnarok said:
When are companies going to stop trying to screw people over? List these damn things.
This is... screwing people over? Aren't you being a little dramatic? It was simply an over-sight.
Who's being dramatic? Have you ever bought a game and because of an 'oversight' you're stuck with a drink coaster for 6 months? Hell I have a few games that don't work on my pc because of 'oversights' which is me wasting money that a multimillion dollar company doesn't care about.
 

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Am I the only one to read every post in the thread before contributing? Feel very deja vu times eighty!

Treblaine said:
the only tricky part is power and I guess also airflow.
Really, I thought the tricky part was matching Memory frequency to CPU multiplier to motherboard clock to allow them to run at a 1:1 ratio and therefore get the best performance out of them.

Snotnarok said:
Who's being dramatic? Have you ever bought a game and because of an 'oversight' you're stuck with a drink coaster for 6 months? Hell I have a few games that don't work on my pc because of 'oversights' which is me wasting money that a multimillion dollar company doesn't care about.
You are - as mentioned numerous times now in the thread you don't need to buy anything - you can create a partition on your drive that's NTFS or you can convert the drive to NTFS (without having to reformat/re-install everything) if you wished. This is not a limitation, it is a mere five minute google on how to fix - one I'd wager whomever has a rig powerful enough to meet the specs thrown about in this thread and is still running FAT32 (for whatever valid reason) should be aware of and be able to resolve with the aforementioned five minute google.

That deja vu feeling's back.
 

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believer258 said:
onilinksword said:
Why would anyone format a system HHD to FAT32? The only thing I have in FAT32 format are small thumb drives, so they can transfer data between PCs and Macs. A 4 GB file isn't that big in today's standards. If a game takes up 16 GB of space, you may think that some of the files might be bigger than 4 GB.

This sounds more like technological incompetence rather than a developer problem.
A single 4GB file is still quite big, unless you're talking about either ISO's or videos of a very high quality.

Folders above 4GB are a very different story, however.
I deal with MANY files that are larger than 4 GB. Weather it be a HD movie, archived folder, disk image, game assets, etc. The point is that -in today's standards- with 1 TB HHDs being sold for less than $100 U.S., 4 GB isn't that large. It may be large to you, but the technology doesn't agree.
 

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believer258 said:
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Why oh why would anyone in their right mind install a FAT32 partition? Why? OK, I read the thing about Mac's and the same is true for Linux, but why? Really?
Been thinking of doing that on my external so I can hook it into my Xbox or PS3 and watch Kamen Rider that I have on it. Yeah apparently THOSE don't read NFST yet.
I'd imagine they originally had the PS3 as FAT32 so it would be more compatible with the "Install Other OS" option that has now infamously been removed. As for 360, I have no clue as to why it isn't in an NTFS format.

So... why the hell do you have a video file that's bigger than 4GB, anyway? Especially one whose "special effects" are as bad as an old Japanese TV show, anyway? You really need it in a quality that high?

Finally, I was talking about Windows PC's. There's no real reason to have anything other than an NTFS file system on a Windows computer, at least not one that I can think of anyway.
I know and no the largest one I have is 3 gigs and thats a 2 hour movie so yeah.

But what is the point of having a file bigger than like a 2 or 2.5 gigs? what is this file that is 9 gigs is the world an open world that it renders EVERYTHING at once or is it just a needlessly large file.