Malyc said:
Conza said:
Malyc said:
Conza said:
If you liked those, then you'd love a continent to your east known as 'Europe'.
The best muscle cars ever made, were probably made, by BMW.
BMW M5 E39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KF0DVAWAdo
BMW M3 Coupe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YODPHqY7mM4
Those would probably be some of my favourite cars, other than that I'm a big sucker for hot hatches. Especially Volkswagen, Golf GTIs, the Lupo GTI, the current Golf R, but for super quick machines, you can't go past the Veyron really, probably the best car ever made.
Nah man, the European cars are good and all, but its plain, vulgar, unapologetic horsepower that makes the American Muscle great.
I feel this becoming a sub-plot, so I've snipped the OPs large post.
American cars are, and have always been, a good bang for your buck solution.
However, money being no factor, with some very very rare exceptions (see Cadallac CTS-V), European cars will go faster in a straight line and around corners, They have more power per litre, they are better built, more reliable, imo sexier (yes even the German ones), and overall, simply better performance cars.
I can't think of anything, aside from that one Cadallac, that'd really compare in terms of true performance, to a European car. Again, best muscle cars are German, specially, BMW.
You seem to be ignoring the Corvette ZR1 fairly efficiently... 6.2 liters, 640 horsepower, with a price tag about $200000 cheaper than a comparable performance Euro car.
As an example to prove my point, the BMW M6 ASR vs. The ZR1.
Now, to be honest, I'm not really sure if this was a fair match, as I can't find any specs on the ASR. It does hold out well from the low gears, but it looks like as soon as the Vette hits third, it's gone.
Now, as to you're opinion that they are better looking, that is completely subjective. I would honestly take most American cars over most German cars. I realize that some of them, the R8 in particular, look very good, but I've never been a fan of performance-luxury, which is why I'm not really impressed by the Cadillac either.
And as to your theory that European cars are faster in a straight line, I leave you this example of the ZR1s superiority.
I really wished you'd spoilered those videos, saves space.
Fairly efficiently?
The Ferrari 458 delivers 124.89 BHP per litre, that's "Fairly efficient" by modern standards, if we go back let's see... 103 BHP was fairly efficient in... Not today, but travelling backward in time... 1994, where the Ferrari F355 delivered 107 BHP per litre, ok so fairly efficient by the standards of 1994, that's only off compared to the 458, a modern super car, by 18 years, don't worry though, its bigger, so that'll make all the difference won't it?
Ok, so 640 BHP, 1515kgs is 421 BHP per tonne, 378.5 BHP per tonne isn't a match for that, it buys the Corvette a whole .1 seconds faster 0-60 time, bravo. And the Nurburgring? 5 seconds slower, despite the 458 covering more track*.
Price. Ferrari 458 starts at 174,000 pounds, the Corvette... I can't find one?
Also BMW M6, forget it, the current one is odd and a bad example of the breed, the next one might be better, but time will tell.
Oh, and as for your 'ZR-1 superiority' non-sense, If I wanted something that was built in a shed that would go fast in a straight line, I'd buy an Ariel Atom V8 its half a second quicker to 60 and all that for around 20-30 thousand pounds. I think that's claimed bang for your buck too.
I'll give you credit for trying, the ZR-1 isn't too bad, but its still a little bad, the US needs to come out of the 90s and into the 21st century, imagine if its engines were as efficient with 6.2 litres? 769 BHP? No one would care that they're made of pig iron, or have suspension from; actually the corvette must have decent suspension to get around the nurburgring at all, so, but my point is, bigger isn't going to win it 99% of the time, lighter, and less powerful carry the day, and that isn't going to change.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times#The_Nordschleife