You have to be Evil to be Beneficial

[Akukaishi]

My method of benefiting mankind is, in and of itself, evil.

I would purge. The stupid, the fearful, the unjust, the infirm, the crazy, all those human beings who exist for the sole purpose of dragging the rest of society down with them. Bigots, hate-mongers, fear-mongers, warlords, dictators, tyrants. I'd sweep them all away with purifying flame...and take myself with them.




...good thing I'm too lazy to become a proper super villain, huh?

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Wait a minute ... this sounds alot like Fatalism.

Frankly it that were the case then everybody would just say "Come what may".

Not quite fatalism. Because if you understand the consequences of your actions perfectly you can make the choice to change things, at a cost of course.

Of course, but given that the ill effect of active choice will be equal to the good thatcomes from it, therefore nobody would try, therefore as people will just accept whatever happens to them.... fatalism.

I mean if you know that a bad thing will come from a good action, thats pretty fatalistic right there o.o Especially with your cancer example n.n

So I reckon everybody would just adopt a fatalistic attitude :x

I disagree. Judging from the people in this forum, while some didn't want to accept their consequences, most decided to take action for what they believe to be the greater good. They don't believe in "what will be will be", they believe in doing what they can, even with the cost.

That's a good point :c but could you say the same for the children of this generation born into this world? :x Or their children?

Fatalism would be the natural end result as Humanity slowly dwindles to nothing no matter how hard we wopuld try to protect the species in this ultimately cruel world, a world so hostile to life that to give life is to automatically take it.

I think give enough generations and the attitudes and morality that we wield in the modern era would regress sharply.

 

[Da Chi]

As much as I'm enjoying this I can't keep posing hypotheticals. Goodnight Escapees thanks for the insight, and I'll be back tomorrow to check on this thread.

 

[jamradar]

I could get rid of all the nukes in the world. I would do this by executing everybody with the knowledge of how to make them. But the nukes have to go somewhere so we drop them in the 10 largest cities in the world. So its pretty much avoiding a nuclear apocalypse but at the cost of millions maybe even billions of lives, and the destruction of several thousand years of history.

 

[Wodan]

Wodan suggested giving everyone pain as both positive and negative karma.

If you were to give everyone in the world a few moments of excruciating pain, or maybe constant minute pain, maybe the equivalent of a slight headache. Doesn't seem THAT evil. Multiply that by over 6 billion? That's a lot of karma built up to do good with.

He said he would give people eternal life with the pain.
Live forever with the pain no matter the magnitude. Some people couldn't handle it though. Endless, non-stop pain. forever. Doesn't sound very appealing to me.

Err... let me clarify. When i said " Not excruciating pain, but pain nonetheless. No one would die, and no real harm would be done." I meant no one would die from the pain. Sorry if I was ominous there.

 

[Yoshisummons]

Beneficial? To what ends? To even simply ask this question is have a view of the destination you want and then its a simple matter on the 'beneficial' methods to achieving that end. Get back to me when you find out why this is your destination and I'll gladly contribute.

 

[havass]

Kill pretty much everyone and then have the ability to remove the damage done to the planet.

Yeah, I'd be a bit of a monster.

I second this. The thing killing the earth are us. Eliminate pretty much everyone and he earth just might have a chance to recover.
OT: this reminds me of lelouch. He became the greater evil to rid the world of a evil, then killed himself as part of his plan. I think I'd pretty much do the same thing.

 

[Z(ombie)fan]

I erase every good thing that has ever happened to anyone in the timeline. then I pop into the new shithole timeline to create a utopia through sheer KARMA POWER!

 

[Whobajube]

Wodan suggested giving everyone pain as both positive and negative karma.

If you were to give everyone in the world a few moments of excruciating pain, or maybe constant minute pain, maybe the equivalent of a slight headache. Doesn't seem THAT evil. Multiply that by over 6 billion? That's a lot of karma built up to do good with.

He said he would give people eternal life with the pain.
Live forever with the pain no matter the magnitude. Some people couldn't handle it though. Endless, non-stop pain. forever. Doesn't sound very appealing to me.

Oh. I get it now, haha.

Either way, I'd still bank positive karma my way.

 

[firedfns13]

kill all the idiotic douchebags, there that is both beneficial, and im sure some people will think that is evil... done and done.

Plus you can cast flare!
You've the best avatar.

 

[deonte9109]

Personally as long as I know that my intentions are good and for the betterment of th world I would be the one symbol of evil and despair so that the world could be what it should.

 

[Warachia]

kill all the idiotic douchebags, there that is both beneficial, and im sure some people will think that is evil... done and done.

Then you would have to kill all intelligent and eloquent people. Rid the world of intelligence to remove ignorance?

what if you cured cancer, but killed off jerks/megalomaniacs year after year? You could kill the leader of an organasation, them give them more money to make up for it, the possibilities are quite endless. On that note, I would of course be an abuser of that power.

 

[KarumaK]

I'd give reality warping powers. Then I LOL for all eternity at the peons.

Yeah my decision is more Evil to be Evil.

 

[Miumaru]

I would probably use helping good people as an excuse to remove people I do not like. Or maybe I would be like that button guy. Find some fan of some celebrity or whatever I absolutly hate, and say they could live at the cost of their celebrtiy of choice's life.
Or I guess I would just use definite murderers and such.

 

[tobi the good boy]

i looked at this and thought it said "you have to be evil to be bethesda"

 

[Dynamite Headdy]

My wish would be to destroy the source of the wishes. Since the thing exists entirely to twist the world into a series of no-win scenarios, and is thus evil, its sick sense of karmic balance will probably mean that it takes the rest of the universe down with it. I don't care.

If the rule is more intrinsic to the fabric of space and time than to one particular wish, I could retire to a life of quiet introspection and philosophy. Try to become as self-sustaining as possible to take the burden of supporting me off of the rest of the world. Maybe write a book anonymously. I'd try to let the world know that no stupid game mechanic can truly turn doing good into a zero-sum game.

Then I'd don my pointy sunglasses and go save a dragon from a princess or something.

If the curse is restricted to just me, I would probably try to study the phenomenon from scientific standpoint and scrutinize it until it's robbed of all philosophical value. Then, I'd calculate the maximum amount of good I could do that would be perfectly balanced by letting the curse kill me in retaliation. I would then strive to do exactly that... but first, I'd buy a life insurance policy with an orphanage as the beneficiary. MUHAHAHA.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Tell me how you would react in these situations. I'm a firm believer in karma and have been wondering about the consequences of greatness.
Maybe share you're own hypothetical and see if people could handle it.

The problem with your hypothesis, as I'm seeing it, is that you're taking Karma to be the reverse of the situation you complete - which isn't really accurate.

Let's say I don't learn to drive - does that mean that I need to flush away lots of my money, annoy some random people and visit lots of places; to balance? Of course not.

Let's say I save a few lives. I could reverse that Karmic shift by stealing, cannibalism, desecration or simply pouring a kettle on ants nest. To those that didn't want to do anything, if you could save your loved one's life by killing off ants - I'm guessing you'd go up to ant-genocide to do it.

Let's take the monetary debt problem : If you had the power, this could easily be solved by taking the money from the pre-crash era - thereby eliminating the crash - thereby eliminating the need - but the crash still doesn't happen. A useful paradox.

But until you can find a good scale for Karma - and decide whether it's action/inaction that fuels it; it's ironically a damned question - despite being good.

 

[SimuLord]

I think I prefer passive neutrality to active. Do something good by accident, fuck up by accident, steal and be stolen from, give and take, eat and be eaten...?!?!

 

[bak00777]

kill all the idiotic douchebags, there that is both beneficial, and im sure some people will think that is evil... done and done.

Plus you can cast flare!
You've the best avatar.

ty good sir

 

[Xanadu84]

I'm a gamer and a scientist at heart. Naturally, I would experiment, safe in the knowledge that any evil I do would be balanced out, and search for an, "Exploit", a discrepancy in the way that the system interprets evil, and a practical interpretation of evil, that allows me to actually bring a fantastic amount of good into the world.

If the system was utilitarian-illy perfect, then...I would play video games all day. There without causing good things to happen, there is no point to action.

It's entirely hypothetical so I can make it entirely perfect. I'm afraid you're stuck playing video games.

There are worse fates then being a self-serving asshole. Hell, it got Ayn Rand famous!