You own Square-Enix: What's the next step for Final Fantasy?

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TheDarkestDerp

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You know, on second thought, to amend my last idea, I think I'll finally give alotta gals and more than a few guys what they've been wanting since FF7.

I'd still nix the franchise, but we'd produce a spin-off choose-your-own-adventure drama style game in which the FF7 cast were high-school age attending Tomobiki boys' prep school and Cloud and Sephiroth were in some manner of coming-of-age Yaoi relationship.

BOOM baby.
 

joshuaayt

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I'd focus on my FFVII fanbase for a few years- that's where the money is at.

Afterwards? Continue making excellent games- I usually enjoy the gameplay alterations in each installment, and I have a soft spot for that story-telling style. You know, the high school play sort.
 

OldRat

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My next step is to publicly tell everyone that I'm so very, utterly sorry.

After that, I'll give the finger to this silly and confusing magitech bullshit world they keep building for pretty looks instead of substance and bring back the good, old times.
 

jawakiller

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Blitzwing said:
jawakiller said:
I think they should just END THE FRANCHISE.
Please. They now suck. They were once good but that time is over, don't live in the past.
Funny that seems to be what your doing.
Well not really. Ok maybe a little but not entirely. Once upon a time FF was good, its just not now. Thats a good enough reason to kill it.
 

Zyxx

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(I haven't yet played XIII and thus can't comment on it.)

First, DO the Final Fantasy VII remake. It's basically printing money. Don't touch the gameplay or the story, just prettify the graphics and clean up the script. Then don't do anything else with VII: enough is enough.
While we're at it, let's port some more of the previous titles to the DS.

Now,to the future:

I've always liked Final Fantasy's habit of trying out new and different leveling and ability systems with just about every game, and we should keep right on doing that. I for one love rich, labyrinthine class/ability trees with minimal overlap and more than a few actually useful jobs.

While the level of graphical detail possible today really is totally amazing, I propose we pull back a little on the complexity of character designs, mechanical designs and particle effects. Yeah, they're cool, but too much visual busy-ness actually detracts from the impressiveness of the scene. We needn't go totally retro, just eliminate some unnecessary bangles and zippers.

Combat transition screens will be made as short as possible, if they must exist at all. In games with turn-based combat, we will have the option to hasten or remove battle animations. Let's at least have the option to exert direct control over any or all party members, even if we have some fancy AIs to pick up the slack the rest of the time.

Also: if a character can do something in a cutscene, she can do it at all other times (and vice versa.) If a character is a wall-running high-kicking gravity-defying badass in cutscenes, then his combat abilities will reflect this. If a character must perma-die as part of the story, a reason will be given for why Phoenix Downs and Raise spells won't work.

I think the stories could stand to get darker again. Not "gritty" necessarily, but let's raise the stakes a bit: let's actually SAVE THE WORLD again (rather than stop periodic depopulation or political control.) Also: while I can understand drawing inspiration from Star Wars, we should maybe try getting away from that a bit.

Having stereotypical characters is sort of a problem with Final Fantasy, especially since it had a big hand in establishing many of these tropes in the first place. Attempting to avoid "Serious Spice" "Manly Spice" and "Kooky Spice" sounds good on paper, but strictly avoiding stereotypes usually just brings you around to other stereotypes or outright parody. Not that it's bad to mix things up, but well-used character archetypes have become well-used for a reason.
Rather than trying to hit or avoid tropes, the key here is exploring each character enough to understand WHY they are the way they are. The default solution here is angst: the character's personality is defined by some Intense Personal Tragedy, and while this can be very moving it's a mistake to do it too often. IRL not everyone has a Missing Wife or Dead Sister or whatever, and it feels weird when everyone you meet in a game has some kind of Dark Secret which is the motivation behind all their actions. Sometimes the Arrogant Mage isn't a snob because he's TRYING so HARD to make up for his BIG BROTHER being DEAD. Sometimes he's snotty and entitled because he's spent his whole life being told how awesome he is.

In short, I would try to make the next Final Fantasy less about spectacle and more about substance. The spectacle can still look great, but there needs to be a heart underneath it that we can relate to and care about.
 

MisterFrodo17

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As someone who actually liked XIII despite its flaws, I wouldn't kill the series. I guess I'd continue production on XIII-2 and Versus XIII; no point in wasting what's already been put into those games (particularly Versus). Then, after XIII-2's completed, I'd launch production of XV. I'd try my best to make sure development doesn't take 4-5 years, if possible. I'd like the setting to be more steampunk-ish like VI rather than the futuristic sci-fi of XIII, because I think a modern FF with that setting and technology would be pretty cool. I definitely wouldn't want just linear corridors, and would try for some kind of realistic world map that would have big environments like Pulse from XIII; if that would take too long or cost too much, then I'd go with a map screen a la Lost Odyssey. I would add back in towns if possible, since I think it really hurts the pacing if they're not there; if that's not possible, I'd try to do something with the pacing so it's not just battles-cutscene-battles-cutscene-battles-cutscene, which is what most of XIII was except for Pulse. In terms of writing, I'm not sure what I'd do for a story, though I'd probably try to hire Kazushige Nojima (if I spelled that right, a.k.a. the writer for VII, VIII, and X) to write the scenario instead of Toriyama, XIII's writer, because I don't feel he's the best writer and he definitely wasn't good at pacing XIII's plot. Oh, and NO RANDOM BATTLES. That's my only main request for the battle system.

I would make also sure that TWEWY 2 was put into development, but that's a bit offtopic. XD
 

Tennou486

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If I was in charge of Square Enix, I would order that the next Final Fantasy game have a real time combat system at least on par with Bayonetta or Devil May Cry 3. It would include those cool transforming summons from FFXIII as well (the same ones or new ones, as long as they transform, it doesn't matter). Then I would hire actual outside writing talent to give the story more structure and make it good all the way through, not starting to get good after 20 (!!!) hours of play. This is the Final Fantasy game I want to play.
 

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drbarno said:
Crossover with Dragon Quest!
Personally I would rather see it crossed over with Persona.
That would be cool as well.
I would cancel it and make movies... like they should.
 

valkeminator

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I prefer if they actually work on a new IP, TWEWY was a good step towards it...
Final Fantasy is already been overused for a while, I think it may be a good idea if Squeenix forget about FF series for a while, and make people miss it a little and come back with a big surprise later...

If not Brand New IP, then Old IPs... I for one would like to see Front Mission being back up (Evolved was horrible, I dont even count it as an entry in the series IMO), and also Kingdom Hearts 3, TWEWY2 would be really nice.

Otherwise it may face the same fate as Sonic, Mario, Etc.

Then again I never really liked JRPGs, also they should stay away from MMORPG... They already have FF11 anyway, why 14? Failed attempt at milking the series?

...Or take a third option : Make movies instead of games, which seems to be what they have been trying to hint people with... I can't remember who pointed this out in one of the video review... Probably Yatzee.
 

GrimHeaper

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valkeminator said:
I prefer if they actually work on a new IP, TWEWY was a good step towards it...
Final Fantasy is already been overused for a while, I think it may be a good idea if Squeenix forget about FF series for a while, and make people miss it a little and come back with a big surprise later...

If not Brand New IP, then Old IPs... I for one would like to see Front Mission being back up (Evolved was horrible, I dont even count it as an entry in the series IMO), and also Kingdom Hearts 3, TWEWY2 would be really nice.

Otherwise it may face the same fate as Sonic, Mario, Etc.

Then again I never really liked JRPGs, also they should stay away from MMORPG... They already have FF11 anyway, why 14? Failed attempt at milking the series?
Twewy and kingdom hearts 3 crossover?
 

jawakiller

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Blitzwing said:
jawakiller said:
Blitzwing said:
jawakiller said:
I think they should just END THE FRANCHISE.
Please. They now suck. They were once good but that time is over, don't live in the past.
Funny that seems to be what your doing.
Well not really. Ok maybe a little but not entirely. Once upon a time FF was good, its just not now. Thats a good enough reason to kill it.
Hardly. Almost ever game with the words Final Fantasy on it has been ripped apart by ?fans? the only thing that?s changed is that now those fans wear rose colored glasses.
Wait, are you telling me 14 was as good as, say 1? I mean if you see things that way then we are going to have a hard time talking about this subject. I loved the earlier games but just because the first games were great doesn't give Square Enix the right to give us shit.

If a game goes to hell don't keep dragging its ass back out the grave. Thats how I see it.
 

kickyourass

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I'd try and take the best things about Final Fantasy (The enormous scale of the games, the interesting monsters and locations, the character designs etc.) and try and combine them with the best things about Western RPGs (A better sense of immersion, more control over the main character outside of combat, wide open game worlds etc.). I don't know if that would exactly be great with me at the helm, but at least it would be an attempt at something new, and the Final Fantasy games could probably use that.
 

FlyAwayAutumn

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End it NOW.

I don't care if the company goes under and lots of people lose their jobs. This bullshit has GOT to end.
 

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King Toasty said:
Ignore Final Fantasy, work on Kingdom Hearts 3, you bastards!
This. We've waited long enough.

But if I had to specifically focus on FF, then I would probably:

1. Start making movies again. The cut scenes are beautiful, but they take up valuable game time.

2. Create a battle system that is intuitive to use and NOT as stupid as the gambit system was. Hell, port over the KH combat system. At least that was easy and the combat was engaging.

3. Forget about the 'only you can save the world' narrative mechanic. I would encourage the teams to come up with a game in which you support the hero (or heroes). For example, you might be the home guard in a nation at war, or perhaps a young family who is starting out in the farmi- wait, no, that's Rune Factory. Let's go with the home guard idea. You subscribe to the ideals of your army, but see first hand how sending all the decent resources to the front is debilitating your country.

I'm sure I could think of more, but I want a cup of tea. Maybe I would get the marketing department to get me a cup. :)
 

jawakiller

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Blitzwing said:
jawakiller said:
Wait, are you telling me 14 was as good as, say 1? I mean if you see things that way then we are going to have a hard time talking about this subject. I loved the earlier games but just because the first games were great doesn't give Square Enix the right to give us shit.

If a game goes to hell don't keep dragging its ass back out the grave. Thats how I see it.
If Square had stopped making final fantasy after the first bad game then we would only have two. The series like all others will have good games and bad games.
I agree with you. They should have stopped after 2. :D

No, unfortunately there have been WAY to many fuck ups for me to forgive them. Especially lately. Thats the point I was trying to make. They keep making bad games, so now theres no grace left. Which is sad because the original was really fun. Eight is sort of fun but other than that... No mas.