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newfoundsky

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Tip your waitresses and the delivery boy. . .and the guy at the counter

Here in the USA (And the UK, I think) we tip people for service. We tip our waiters and waitresses for good service. We tip our delivery men and women for making sure we get our food on time and because we didn't have to go get it ourselves. But there is a very under appreciated group of men and women that for some reason we don't tip, or even give a second thought to. I'm talking about the people at the counter of our fast food restaurants, that work unforgiving hours for minimum wage and with very little chance of ever getting a raise, promotion, or respect.

I'm here to tell you that this is a very big problem, for several reasons. Consider the following:

Management is Trying to Kill You

I work at a pizza chain, and a friend of mine works at a burger chain. So I can safely say that this holds true for most places. The management is trying to kill you.

I remember just a few days ago that a family of spiders had taken up residence in the flour.
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Sure it looks nice, but think of the location!

After bringing this to the managers attention, he scooped the spiders out, and put me back to work. I argued that the flour was contaminated and we should throw it out. We had plenty of good flour in the back and it wouldn't hurt. I was told that the flour was fine, and just get back to work. But me and my fellow crew members took a stand. We refused to use the pizza dough rolled in that flour and forced in doing so, saved the townspeople from from ingesting dozens of spider babies. I was able to use different flour.

My friend has less success at his workplace. The oil that they fry the chicken and fries in is home to the corpses of silverfish and cockroaches, and the management will only have that oil changed out every other week. People are eating decaying bugs. However, his place of work has very little job security. The last time the crew spoke up against the management there because of this, the whole crew was fired.

The regular crew members behind the counter actually care what you are eating. If it were up to us, the whole place would be fumigated every time someone sneezed. But the management is only concerned with meeting the profit targets that the owners set. It's not their fault though. They will lose there job immediately if they allow profits to become losses, so you have to understand that they would hesitate to do anything that might cause this. That bag of flour and that oil are small costs, but these add up. Management wants the owners happy, so that the store gets the things it needs so they can continue to work. Which brings me to my next point. . .

Everything Behind the Counter is Probably Broken, Breaking, or Useless

My workplace has the following issues:
There is no hot water
Two out of three sinks cause flooding when used.
The oven door does not shut
The sheeter (which flattens pizza dough so that it is that circle shape we all love our pizza to be) breaks, without fail, every ten minutes.
We can't use the mop or use the soap to clean dishes because without hot water it causes a slimy film to develop on the dishes and floor.

Now before anyone says, ?You are just whining?, understand that there are certain things that need to happen before a workplace is considered safe, and there are certain things that need to happen before anyone should eat food.

If there is no hot water, dishes can not be sanitized. That means dishes are not safe to use. We are forced to cook bread and pizza in half washed dishes because management can not get anything fixed because our profit margin is not high enough. The only time the hot water heater is fixed is the week before a health inspection. (Did I mention that in Tennessee, health inspections are not random?) This fix is never permanent because the parts are taken from a working heater at another location, and immediately transferred back at the inspections conclusion. It's like an insider trading scam, but people get dysentery.

Now the sinks. They flood the store. So we can't use them. We have to wash our hands every thirty minutes, or when we switch from task to task. That's okay though, because we want you not to eat our feces. But this causes an issue when you have to wait for five minutes because there is a line for the sink. So that is five minutes that you aren't working, because you CAN'T. Did I mention that this counts as a break at many places? Standing around, waiting to be able to get back to work counts as a break.

The oven door is a safety hazard. The actual oven has two openings by design, which is useful because the pizza travels on a track and is cooked when it goes out the opposite end you put it end. But there are things that require being placed halfway in the oven, otherwise they are very, very burnt, which is were the door comes in to place.

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They said ?well done?, in my defense.

But when you walk by that door, which does not close, the heat burns you. That oven is six hundred degrees. And if you aren't paying attention to where you are walking, you will brush against it, burning you. I and my coworkers have dozens of burns. Did I mention that this is labeled an acceptable hazard? Because we have burn gel in the first aid kit. Unless we don't, in which case it's still an acceptable hazard because you can avoid it.

The sheeter is also a safety hazard. Lots of moving gears and parts that must be fixed very quickly, otherwise the whole operation slows to a crawl. So if it is not fixed immediately, no one gets a pizza for twenty minutes, instead of right when you come in. And we sell about twenty pizzas in one minute, so you can see how this would be a problem.

I've personally gotten a hand caught in the roller. Luckily, I'm a skinny guy and was able to get it out without horribly disfiguring myself. But I do this so my job is easier, so people don't freak out and start trying to kill whoever is working the register.


We Have To Deal With You People

Look. I know several customers personally. I met them through work, and I love to take their order, and I even put extra toppings on because I like them. But these are the exceptions. Usually, I deal with very demanding people wanting many, many things, who then complain because we either don't have enough, or because the last guy did the same thing and we haven't caught up yet.

We know what the ad said. No, it isn't false advertising. And yes, I will give you a refund because your cheese pizza isn't ready, but I will hate you for it because by the time I do, your pizza will be ready and you'll buy it anyway. I do this several times a day.

It's okay to be upset because your order is wrong, but realize that the person at the register did not do this. It was the guy in the back, making twenty other orders and hating his life because the oven or frier burns him every ten minutes and if he doesn't keep up his boss will yell at him which makes him feel even worse.

Also, you make these people smoke. And drink. Our small restitution for our stressful jobs usually first goes to cigarettes, so that we can smoke whenever we can when we are at work. What I'm saying is, by being a terrible customer, you are causing lung cancer. You bastards.



So What Can You Do to Help?

You can be nice, for starters. The guy behind the counter loves dealing with people that order their food, make a joke or two about how the boss is a hard ass, and slip him a dollar. You don't have to do it every time. But every one behind that counter is working hard so you don't have to. If you really want to make sure your food isn't laced with rat poison because management has declared it a safe alternative to sugar additives, have the crew break a ten amongst themselves. Do it just once. Your experience every time you come in from then on will be, without a doubt, the best you have ever had.

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Another Big Mac, sir?

TL;DR

TIP DAMMIT. Tip everyone.
Do you tip? Who do you tip? Do you agree that we should tip the guys behind the counter?
 

DugMachine

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I only tip if the service was great or they're at least trying. If I see any shit attitudes and awful at their jobs i'll leave a tip but something stupid like 50 cents just to annoy them.

While I do tip my servers I've always wondered why. Jobs are supposed to provide a 'service' but you're not going to tip a plumber or AC guy along with the fee for doing their jobs.

Then again, I've never worked in a restaurant and would probably think differently if I had.
 

theonewhois3

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I don't make enough to tip and the minimum wage here is something like than 3 times your minimum wage (I would know, I work for it as a waiter). So move to Australia or Scandinavia, or something.
 

Joccaren

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Here in Australia its a lot rarer to tip, so no, I don't.
I especially wouldn't tip those in Fast Food places because I too know them, and whilst some do care and will try to make your food better, more often I find its the management who care, and the workers just slack off - though this is mostly in fast food chains like McDonalds. Seriously, the food there is crap these days. Its half falling to pieces, and just shoved in with no real care as to how it is.
If you and those you know try your best to make your quality of food better, kudos to you, and if its commonplace to tip over there I'd say you deserve some, but I'm not going to change my ways so long as things remain the way they are here.
 

newfoundsky

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DugMachine said:
I only tip if the service was great or they're at least trying. If I see any shit attitudes and awful at their jobs i'll leave a tip but something stupid like 50 cents just to annoy them.

While I do tip my servers I've always wondered why. Jobs are supposed to provide a 'service' but you're not going to tip a plumber or AC guy along with the fee for doing their jobs.

Then again, I've never worked in a restaurant and would probably think differently if I had.
Well for a variety of reasons. Waiters and Waitresses and carhops only maps 2 dollars an hour, for starters. In my opinion, having worked as a waiter, fast food is harder than waiting.
 

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Joccaren said:
though this is mostly in fast food chains like McDonalds. Seriously, the food there is crap these days. Its half falling to pieces, and just shoved in with no real care as to how it is.
Tip the cashier for having to deal with your complaint. It wasn't the cashiers fault the fry cook sucks.
 

Kopikatsu

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I tip however much it takes to get an 'even' price (Even being by fives). For example, I recently got a burger from Charlies that cost $21.something (It was a really bigass burger) and gave them $25. If it's something like $24.55, then I'll just give them $30 'cause 45 cents is a dick tip.

But for what was detailed in the OP...yeah. I worked in the food industry once. Never again.
 

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newfoundsky said:
Tip the cashier for having to deal with your complaint. It wasn't the cashiers fault the fry cook sucks.
The cashier doesn't have to deal with my complaints, they just don't have to get my money again when there are other places to buy food.
And whilst its not the Cashiers fault that the burger is falling apart, it is their fault that there's icecream leaking out of my McFlurry, sticky sauce all over the sides, half my drink down my cup and various other problems that are becoming more and more common at my local fast food chains. People there these days don't care as much, and will just pump out stuff as fast as they can with little care for the quality. Doesn't happen every time, but these days its about 1/3 of the times I go, which is far too often for me to continue to use such services.
 

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newfoundsky said:
Well for a variety of reasons. Waiters and Waitresses and carhops only maps 2 dollars an hour, for starters. In my opinion, having worked as a waiter, fast food is harder than waiting.
Yeah that's what I heard as well but where I live servers make the minimum wage like any other minimum wage job so they get tips added on to what everyone else makes.
 

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newfoundsky said:
(And the UK, I think) we tip people
Not true, there is the odd occasion where some say "keep the change" but it's not in our culture.

In the UK min wage is about £6.08 an hour, which is $9.77 ... I assume that is more than your min wage, so it doesn't have to be "topped up".

I always thought it was strange that American business owners expect there employees to be payed by the customers directly. We should pay the establishment, then they pay the staff.

Then again I think America sound like the weirdest place when it comes to cash, you're charged for medical stuff, you have to work out VAT yourself, tip people ... how do you afford to buy food!?

In the uk, I can go into a shop, pick up something for 99P and pay 99P. If my meal costs £20, then I pay £20 and leave From what I have heard you pick up something for $1 and pay $1.20 or something. You to a restaurant and your meal is $20, you pay $24 for it then tip the person serving you an extra $4 or something.

I might be wrong about the VAT though.
 

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Really, what is the person behind the counter doing to deserve that tip? They aren't making sure my cup is full, they aren't giving me more chips or salsa, they aren't really making sure my food is coming out hot and fresh. You really aren't making my experience any better eating at your place.

I tip pretty much everywhere that has the slot for a tip on the receipt, because I don't carry cash, unless the person doesn't do anything that deserves a tip.
 

newfoundsky

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klown said:
Really, what is the person behind the counter doing to deserve that tip? They aren't making sure my cup is full, they aren't giving me more chips or salsa, they aren't really making sure my food is coming out hot and fresh. You really aren't making my experience any better eating at your place.

I tip pretty much everywhere that has the slot for a tip on the receipt, because I don't carry cash, unless the person doesn't do anything that deserves a tip.
Well, there is a very high chance that the person giving you a pizza (at least at my establishment)

1. Made the dough
2. Rolled the dough
3. Sauced and cheesed the dough
4. Put the toppings on
5. Cooked it
6. Made sure you weren't eating bugs.
7. Packaged it
8. Took your order
9. Served your food.
10. Dealt with your complaining about the food.
 

aceman67

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Speaking as someone who's worked in Fast Food and Coffee Shops, some businesses DO NOT allow you to accept tips, some even go so far as to give uniform pants that don't have pockets, and can use accepting gratuities as grounds for dismissal (IE Theft).

My opinion is this: You tip your waiter if the service was good, even if the food was bad, because (like someone above said, thats not their fault), but there's another reason why as well. Most restaurants split tips with back end staff that never even have contact with food prep or customers (IE Dishwashers), and thus, have no opportunity to get tips.

I tip based on service. I tip my waiter, my barber, my pizza delivery guy, my gas station attendant at the Full Serve station, whoever gives me good service.
 

Cavan

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newfoundsky said:
Here in the USA (And the UK, I think) we tip people for service.
Disregarding the rest of your post about how people are evil and whatnot. No, we generally don't; unless you're talking an actual restaurant where you sit down and have something of a formal meal(and even then it's not mandatory), not a cafe or the pizza guy or anything like that. Those are all very uncommon and the people don't expect a tip, in some areas and establishments it's more common than others.
I personally don't mind rounding out a tip, I don't often go to places like that but in my semi tight fisted way I get annoyed by collecting coins in general and don't mind getting rid of them.
In general I try to be polite and friendly and concise, things which don't come naturally through paranoia and sleep deprivation. I don't feel obliged to pay their wage myself, just making their day a little brighter usually helps.

What I prefer is that we actually pay our waiters and workers a decent wage so they're not forced to live off tips. How exactly is it any different when you're expected to add that much extra just so the guy can live another day? It becomes hollow and pointless, no more a goal for him to strive for than it would have been already in doing his job. You know what? If he was exceptional he can still get a tip on top of that steady wage, he actually has to work for it rather than it being the default response.

I feel like mandatory tipping culture is somehow stupid, like those sales jobs you get that pay per commission(that nobody can stand). Whether or not you think that it is good for the employee, it is heavily weighted towards the employer solely for their overall gain.
 

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Cavan said:
I feel like mandatory tipping culture is somehow stupid, like those sales jobs you get that pay per sale.
Go to any of the Atlantic Provinces in Canada and get a Coffee from Tim Hortons and not give a tip, and see how fast you get angry glares from your fellow customers, let alone the staff.

A large coffee is $1.79, you're most likely paying with a toonie, give the person behind the counter the $0.21.

Colin Murray said:
Why would you piss off people who are handling your food?
THIS, SOOOO MUCH THIS [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0b93zOgkSE]
 

Cavan

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aceman67 said:
Cavan said:
I feel like mandatory tipping culture is somehow stupid, like those sales jobs you get that pay per sale.
Go to any of the Atlantic Provinces in Canada and get a Coffee from Tim Hortons and not give a tip, and see how fast you get angry glares from your fellow customers, let alone the staff.

A large coffee is $1.79, you're most likely paying with a toonie, give the person behind the counter the $0.21.
I did not specify it outright, but I am English. This is just one more reason I don't plan on moving across continents.

I'm not going to get in to an argument on whether or not I can adapt to local customs or how angry they would be, I've said how I feel and why I feel it.

Edit: I also don't drink coffee and wouldn't trust them to have even close to decent tea. While we're indulging each other's quaint concepts ;o.
 

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newfoundsky said:
klown said:
Really, what is the person behind the counter doing to deserve that tip? They aren't making sure my cup is full, they aren't giving me more chips or salsa, they aren't really making sure my food is coming out hot and fresh. You really aren't making my experience any better eating at your place.

I tip pretty much everywhere that has the slot for a tip on the receipt, because I don't carry cash, unless the person doesn't do anything that deserves a tip.
Well, there is a very high chance that the person giving you a pizza (at least at my establishment)

1. Made the dough
2. Rolled the dough
3. Sauced and cheesed the dough
4. Put the toppings on
5. Cooked it
6. Made sure you weren't eating bugs.
7. Packaged it
8. Took your order
9. Served your food.
10. Dealt with your complaining about the food.
Yes, but you'll have to do that anyway. A waiter/ess job is to take my order, and bring my food. They don't -have- to keep my drink full, bring me more chips ect. They do that to earn the tip. If I went to your place, and ordered a pizza, by being the person in the store, you are -required- to do all that to fulfill the transaction. Now if you did something that wasn't part of that, made sure I had extra sauce if I wanted, or brought me drinks while I was eating (if I dine in), then you would get a tip from me.
 

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Yes, but you'll have to do that anyway. A waiter/ess job is to take my order, and bring my food. They don't -have- to keep my drink full, bring me more chips ect. They do that to earn the tip. If I went to your place, and ordered a pizza, by being the person in the store, you are -required- to do all that to fulfill the transaction. Now if you did something that wasn't part of that, made sure I had extra sauce if I wanted, or brought me drinks while I was eating (if I dine in), then you would get a tip from me.[/quote]

Have you ever been a server?