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Jason Rayes

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As has been pointed out, here in Australia tipping is just not a thing, the minimum wage is greater than the U.S so employees don't need their wages topped up by customers to avoid abject poverty. I've never understood the logic of an employer raking in the cash from customers buying whatever it is they are selling, and then expecting the customers to basically pay their employees wages as well. Here its the responsibility of the employer, the one who is making the profit, to share that profit and pay his employees a decent wage. Unlike tipping this also means that the employees financial future is not left to the whims of fate and the capricious generosity of the customers they serve.
 

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Proud to say I've never worked in fast food, too many horror stories from friends that have. That being said, I tip, but I don't tip cashiers that much, only a dollar or two and whatever change they gave me.
My way of seeing it: The waiter has to constantly come back and serve you and check up on you, the delivery boy has to spend time driving to your house/apartment/whatever, the cashier sees you for 30 seconds, asks for your order, you give money, you get change, end. I understand that it probably sucks, but then again you aren't devoting the same amount of time to each customer as the delivery boy and the waiter. I understand that it's in the name of efficiency, but if you really want tips leave a jar and be really really polite. I always tip the polite people more than the ones who just want to get to the next person. Don't just expect people to hand you extra money for taking their order without messing up. The only time I'll actually tip the cashier directly rather than sometimes putting money in the tip jar is if there was a problem and they fixed it, or if I notice the person in front of me being exceptionally rude to them.
 

John Wedge

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As another Brit I really struggle to understand the must-tip mentality. If I'm in a restaurant and the waiter is particularly competent then I'll probably leave a 10% tip. Takeaway delivery drivers get to keep the change if they manage to make their way to my appartment without getting lost and having to call me. (Roughly 1/5 manage it.) Other than that though I'm not going to pay you extra for you doing your job. Surely that's what your wage is for?
 

Zombie Izzard

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Just to put my 2 cents in to the people who say they subtract tip from waitresses/waiters because of food issues. I say this as a cook most the time its not their fault if you didn't get the bacon on your burger and its diffently not their fault if the food in itself taste bad. In the kitchen I try to do everything perfect the first time cause I know if theirs a mistake the costumer most likely blames their server cause they have the mentality that the server also goes into the kitchen and makes their food too.
 

Nannernade

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I don't work in the fast food industry I work at a full service grocery store where we help the customers out to their cars and pack their groceries in and we're not allowed to be tipped either or we will be fired for it. Honestly I don't mind it that much as long as I do my work well I have the chance of getting a raise and more hours which leads to more money.
 

Savo

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Lmao, please do. I work at a fast food resturant at the counter a lot of the time and I wouldn't mind the extra cash.

I don't see why you would though. An actual waiter at a restaurant has to give you way more time and care. I just have to toss on a smile and take your order quickly and give you the food.
 

EclipseoftheDarkSun

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Spanishax said:
Acrisius said:
Spanishax said:
Acrisius said:
Are you freaking kidding me? You think people should tip you because you work at a place of business that shouldn't exist in the first place? If the profit margins are too low to even keep a minimum level of acceptable standard, the place should be shut down. Either by the owners themselves or by the authorities. Places like that are the reason we need more regulation.
So your solution to his whining is that instead of making a little extra pocket money, he should LOSE HIS INCOME ALTOGETHER? Sounds like a plan to me.
No, I'm saying he shouldn't have a job there in the first place because that place shouldn't exist.

There are other jobs.
If there are so many other jobs available, why on EARTH would he still work there? Sorry, but some communities are so bad it's either pain and suffering for minimum wage or death.

Sweatshops in Indonesia shouldn't exist either, yet they persist. And you know what? If you closed them down, all the kids that work themselves to the bone for almost nothing would most likely have to be killed (so the family doesn't have another mouth to feed), or sold, since the family NEEDS the pitiful amount of income the child brings in.
I almost think you're mad :), he lives in the richest country on earth and a well established democracy - he needs to make a stand, along with everyone else who's getting shafted.
 

EclipseoftheDarkSun

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BiscuitTrouser said:
I work at Timberland in the UK, the shoes here are expensive as fuck. And although im paid (minimum wage) by the hour I still have a sales target for how much money im expected to make from selling shoes. This is a weird enough practice since buying shoes isnt something i can convince someone they need to do, they need to do it or they dont, but also there is literally NO reward for selling many pairs of shoes and beating my target but not meeting it gets you a yelling at. Its weird to have a sales target and not get paid AT ALL on commission.

In a shift of 7 hours im expected to sell 1200 pounds of shoes. Ill get paid less than 44 pounds for doing this. But remember people, this is shoes. Ive had people on MANY occasions take up 20 minutes of my time, asking for 5 pairs of high boots (im serious, they wanted 3 boots in 2 different sizes for 2 and 1 size for one). I then have to locate them in the stock room, bring downstairs, unpack, unlace, offer to you while kneeling on the floor, take back, relace, repack and stack the box out of the way 5 times. These customers always go "i cant decide, ill think about it" and then leave. They usually return 5 mins later and the SAME 5 boxes of shoes come down for them to decide again. I spend about 40 mins on a single customer returning and leaving to think. I have to sell 171 pounds of shoes per hour or face a pretty huge lambasting. Ill probably get yelled at because that customer took so long. Sometimes they dont get any of the shoes and ive carted boxes of shoes up and down for them for no reason at all.

I have to kneel on the floor and put shoes on for you and retie laces and locate the packaging you toss around the store. I have to carry armfuls of boxes down for people who dont even want shoes. Id say 1 in 3 customers tell me with a straight face "Im not even interested in buying today/ Im going to Store X i just wanted my size". Even those that do buy them usually have the audacity to say "Can i have a discount for no reason?"

I think i should get tipped to be honest if waiters are. I have to sit down, advise you, lace and unlace shoes for you, package and repackage shoes for you on a whim, and cater to your every need so you dont have to. Every decision you make means a trip up and down stairs for me with boxes piled high and a tonne of packaging to keep track of.

Imagine working in a restaurant were people came in, got seated, asked to see the food and went "That looks good! Ill come back tomorrow!" Leaving you with armfulls of plates to take back to the kitchen. If waiters deserve a tip why on earth dont people who work the jobs i do. Then imagine that whenever you gave them food you had to get down on your knees to hand it to them AND you had to ensure it was all cut up correctly and ready to eat with minimal effort.
Clearly tipping is not the answer - the answer is getting the employers to pay a reasonable wage and f$%# off the quota.

'Walk the plank' by Captcha - how appropriate - I think your employer should be made to do that.
 

ATRAYA

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EclipseoftheDarkSun said:
Spanishax said:
Acrisius said:
Spanishax said:
Acrisius said:
Are you freaking kidding me? You think people should tip you because you work at a place of business that shouldn't exist in the first place? If the profit margins are too low to even keep a minimum level of acceptable standard, the place should be shut down. Either by the owners themselves or by the authorities. Places like that are the reason we need more regulation.
So your solution to his whining is that instead of making a little extra pocket money, he should LOSE HIS INCOME ALTOGETHER? Sounds like a plan to me.
No, I'm saying he shouldn't have a job there in the first place because that place shouldn't exist.

There are other jobs.
If there are so many other jobs available, why on EARTH would he still work there? Sorry, but some communities are so bad it's either pain and suffering for minimum wage or death.

Sweatshops in Indonesia shouldn't exist either, yet they persist. And you know what? If you closed them down, all the kids that work themselves to the bone for almost nothing would most likely have to be killed (so the family doesn't have another mouth to feed), or sold, since the family NEEDS the pitiful amount of income the child brings in.
I almost think you're mad :), he lives in the richest country on earth and a well established democracy - he needs to make a stand, along with everyone else who's getting shafted.
The United States is not the richest country in the world... :S Have you SEEN their economy? Nevertheless, here in Canada, our economy is just fine, but the COMMUNITY I live in has little to no jobs available at any given time. None of our stupid geezers are retiring, so they're just hogging all the income (most geriatrics where I live have a SHIT-TON of money, but they keep working because... of greed, I suppose). Thus I, like the OPer, am stuck with a shit job that pays nothing.
 

emeraldrafael

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Spot1990 said:
emeraldrafael said:
Shit, Piss, sexual fluids, blood
No one understands how truly awful ushering is. Add to that most places don't have security so they put that on the guys who have neither the pay or training of a security guard. For minimum wage we're expected to kick out people causing trouble. I've been in serious danger more than once and still get complaints from the other customers. "I should have kicked him out sooner? I just got punched in the face so you could enjoy your movie in peace."
I feel your pain brother, I truly do. More than once ive had to call state police before the situation got too violent and I wound up shoving/having my broom shoved up someone/myself. especially since mall security (since we were close to a mall) could never be bothered.
 

EclipseoftheDarkSun

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emeraldrafael said:
The United States is not the richest country in the world... :S Have you SEEN their economy? Nevertheless, here in Canada, our economy is just fine, but the COMMUNITY I live in has little to no jobs available at any given time. None of our stupid geezers are retiring, so they're just hogging all the income (most geriatrics where I live have a SHIT-TON of money, but they keep working because... of greed, I suppose). Thus I, like the OPer, am stuck with a shit job that pays nothing.
Can you imagine their economy if they had a smaller military? (although of course it's important to maintain the navy and airforce to keep the trading routes open on the high seas and maintain the american empire).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_military

"The U.S. military is one of the largest militaries in terms of number of personnel. It draws its manpower from a large pool of paid volunteers; although conscription has been used in the past in various times of both war and peace, it has not been used since 1972. As of 2011, the United States spends about $550 billion annually to fund its military forces,[4] and appropriates approximately $160 billion to fund Overseas Contingency Operations. Put together, the United States constitutes roughly 43 percent of the world's military expenditures. The U.S. armed forces as a whole possess large quantities of advanced and powerful equipment, along with widespread placement of forces around the world, giving them significant capabilities in both defense and power projection."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/29/us-usa-war-idUSTRE75S25320110629

"When President Barack Obama cited cost as a reason to bring troops home from Afghanistan, he referred to a $1 trillion price tag for America's wars.

Staggering as it is, that figure grossly underestimates the total cost of wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan to the U.S. Treasury and ignores more imposing costs yet to come, according to a study released on Wednesday.

The final bill will run at least $3.7 trillion and could reach as high as $4.4 trillion, according to the research project "Costs of War" by Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies. (www.costsofwar.org)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

"The economy of the United States is the world's largest national economy and the world's second largest overall economy, the GDP of the EU being approximately $2 trillion larger. Its nominal GDP was estimated to be over $15 trillion in 2011,[4] approximately a quarter of nominal global GDP.[4] Its GDP at purchasing power parity is the largest in the world, approximately a fifth of global GDP at purchasing power parity.[4] The U.S. economy also maintains a very high level of output. The U.S. is one of the world's wealthiest nations with per capita GDP (PPP) of $48,450, the 6th highest in the world.[3] The U.S. is the largest trading nation in the world.

As of 2012, the country remains the world's largest manufacturer, representing a fifth of the global manufacturing output.

The U.S. economy grew by an average of 3.8% from 1946 to 1973, while real median household income surged 74% (or 2.1% a year).[44][45] The economy since 1973, however, has been characterized by both slower growth (averaging 2.7%), and nearly stagnant living standards, with household incomes increasing by 10%, or only 0.3% annually.[46] The worst recession in recent decades, in terms of lost output, occurred during the 2008 financial crisis, when GDP fell by 5.0% from the spring of 2008 to the spring of 2009. "

You've got to remember that the rich are getting richer too, by shafting the middle class.
 

exessmirror

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we only tip in restaurants here manly because we have proper laws to prevent that shit, if they dont keep to it (work laws) the get heavily fined or closed (in case of hygienic laws)
 

emeraldrafael

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Spot1990 said:
emeraldrafael said:
Spot1990 said:
emeraldrafael said:
Shit, Piss, sexual fluids, blood
No one understands how truly awful ushering is. Add to that most places don't have security so they put that on the guys who have neither the pay or training of a security guard. For minimum wage we're expected to kick out people causing trouble. I've been in serious danger more than once and still get complaints from the other customers. "I should have kicked him out sooner? I just got punched in the face so you could enjoy your movie in peace."
I feel your pain brother, I truly do. More than once ive had to call state police before the situation got too violent and I wound up shoving/having my broom shoved up someone/myself. especially since mall security (since we were close to a mall) could never be bothered.
We used to have those big heavy black metal torches like cops carry. Made me feel more secure.
Yeah, we dont get those. we get plastic flashlights that half the time dont work cause employees like to screw around with them and kill the abttery and management doesnt like ot buy new ones al the time an encourage us. the most reassuring thing we carry our half brooms. and of course we're not allowed to touch customers.

... but then again at the end of the month we clen out the lost and found box and Ive found some cool stuff there. and dont give me looks we throw it away if no one takes it and we make efforts to get it back to people. more than once ive had to call someones mom from their phone to tell them their son or daughter left it at the theater.
 
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Some of this rings very true from first hand experience.

Not so much the part about the tips...in the UK the minimum wage is the minimum wage, regardless of industry. So anything I've made in tips was just a nice bonus.

The part about management not providing what's needed. There are 2 very local pubs owned by the same chain. One has money spent on it frequently, the other doesn't...I work at the one that doesn't. I wouldn't want to work at the one that does, it's bigger and less personal... no thanks. The problem is that when it comes time for certain inspections, the pub with the shiny new equipment does a little better, and this is apparently not acceptable to head office, despite head office being responsible for the things that we get marked down for.

Namely that the wiring is shit, the plumbing is shit, the appliances and gear are getting old and finnicky.

Fuck you, chain restaurants. If given the choice, avoid the chain restaurants.