Your favourite Disney Renaissance movie
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I'm not that big of a fan of the renaissance stuff, more of a Lilo and Stitch era kinda guy, but from that list I'd have to go with Hercules. I follow Game Grumps' Arin's reasoning that it's one of the best Disney movies because Hercules and Meg actually go on a date and get to know each other as opposed to the norm of the main couple just deciding they're in love and going from there.
Also it's a crime that Zero to Hero isn't more commonly regarded as a classic Disney song.
Also it's a crime that Zero to Hero isn't more commonly regarded as a classic Disney song.
Thankyou for that- this explanation really should have been in the OP.Saelune said:
For me it's a hell of a 3-way struggle between The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, and Aladdin. I saw Mermaid probably the most and so remember it the best, the world building in Aladdin is my favourite (though I'll always have a soft spot for The Princess and the Cobbler), whereas The Lion King is just a 100% tour de force and can't really be faulted.
hell I still can't choose.
Also, how many femme fatale types have we seen in as one of the main non-villain characters Disney films in general? I haven't seen them all, but I can't really name others besides Meg off the top of my head. The fact that she's neither a damsel in distress nor a "warrior girl" type going against conventions set by others around her also makes her more unique in the Disney female character pantheon.Harlemura said:
Unlike most of the other trans gals I know The Little Mermaid is actually petty low on my list, the transformation elements really depressed me, because Ariel was getting them from an evil sea witch. Which put it fifth on my list, the top 4 in order: Beauty and the Beast, Mulan, The Lion King, and Alladin. As a kid I sure put a lot of mileage on Disney Princess costumes, but none more so than my Belle gown, I'd wear that to school, that's how much I loved that movie as a kid.
The Lion King is a pretty shoddy adaptation as well though, of either Hamlet or Kimba. I suppose you can give it some leeway considering it's a looser adaptation though.hermes said:
Also, I agree with your sentiments regarding Hunchback, it's so far off from the source material it should be called something completely different. Frollo as a straight-up villain? Phoebus as a hero? Talking gargoyles and an happy ending? No thanks.
Are we really getting into adaptation debate here? Because let's see...
-Little Mermaid: Adaptation
-The Rescuers Downunder: Adaptation
-Beauty and the Beast: Adaptation
-Aladdin: Adaptation
-The Lion King: Adaptation/inspiration (Hamlet, Kimba, whatever)
-Pocohontas: Historical fiction (actual authenticity aside)
-The Hunchback of Notre Dame: Adaptation
-Hercules: Adaptation/inspiration
-Mulan: Historical fiction/adaptation
-Tarzan: Adaptation
-Fantasia 2000: Original
It isn't the first time Disney adapted established stories/folk-tales/mythology/whatever, and it hasn't been the last time either. Of the Disney Revival era, the only movies that haven't been based on pre-established stories are Wreck-it Ralph and Zootopia, and even WiR takes heavy inspiration from game properties. Not that I'm complaining mind you.
-Little Mermaid: Adaptation
-The Rescuers Downunder: Adaptation
-Beauty and the Beast: Adaptation
-Aladdin: Adaptation
-The Lion King: Adaptation/inspiration (Hamlet, Kimba, whatever)
-Pocohontas: Historical fiction (actual authenticity aside)
-The Hunchback of Notre Dame: Adaptation
-Hercules: Adaptation/inspiration
-Mulan: Historical fiction/adaptation
-Tarzan: Adaptation
-Fantasia 2000: Original
It isn't the first time Disney adapted established stories/folk-tales/mythology/whatever, and it hasn't been the last time either. Of the Disney Revival era, the only movies that haven't been based on pre-established stories are Wreck-it Ralph and Zootopia, and even WiR takes heavy inspiration from game properties. Not that I'm complaining mind you.
As someone who's mother is very into Disney, and is taking a family trip to Disneyland next week, it's a really tough call. That said, Lion King is probably the best of the movies technically, though I enjoyed Aladdin more, if that makes sense.
That said, other than Pocahontas, all of the Renaissance movies had one thing in common: a great villain. Can't have a strong movie without a strong villain, and Pocahontas aside, all delivered.
That said, other than Pocahontas, all of the Renaissance movies had one thing in common: a great villain. Can't have a strong movie without a strong villain, and Pocahontas aside, all delivered.
Regarding Fantasia 2000.Hawki said:
Only 3 of its segements are adaptions.
The Steadfast Tin Soldier set to music by a Piano conceirto no.2 by Shostakovich.
The Noah's Ark segment with Donald Duck and the music that plays during school graduation.
And techincally The Sorcerer's Apprentice itself with Micky Mouse.
As a kid I probably would've told you Aladdin or Tarzan because I liked boy things and action and stuff and princesses were BORIIIIING
But nowadays, I'd tell you it's Hunchback because the scope's amazing, the animation's amazing and (excluding the stupid gargoyles), the songs are great. I dunno, I just really liked it even though I can go back and watch all of them and find different things I liked about each.
Also for the record, I loved Rescuers Down Under when I was a kid and I STILL like Rescuers Down Under. That movie's amazing.
But nowadays, I'd tell you it's Hunchback because the scope's amazing, the animation's amazing and (excluding the stupid gargoyles), the songs are great. I dunno, I just really liked it even though I can go back and watch all of them and find different things I liked about each.
Also for the record, I loved Rescuers Down Under when I was a kid and I STILL like Rescuers Down Under. That movie's amazing.
I love most of the Disney Renaissance Films (I think only Pocahontas and The Rescuers Down Under are the only two I don't really care for at all). However, my absolute favorite Disney Renaissance Film, and my absolute favorite film of all time, is The Nightmare Before Christmas:
Disney Renaissance exclusively? Probably Aladdin, but I'll admit my favorite Disney flick is the under-appreciated Treasure Planet.
But what movies are Disney Re-
Before seeing Notre Dame, I'd have probably said a tie between Mulan and Hercules but after I saw it, I have to say Notre Dame flies circles around all of the others. Kill the Gargoyles and it's a fucking epic of Paris burning.
And thank you.Saelune said:
Before seeing Notre Dame, I'd have probably said a tie between Mulan and Hercules but after I saw it, I have to say Notre Dame flies circles around all of the others. Kill the Gargoyles and it's a fucking epic of Paris burning.
Even though I said Fantasia 2000 trumps all the movies of the renaissance (and it was a fitting end to the Renaissance)
I am glad Hunchback of Notre Dame is getting the love it deserves.
I am glad Hunchback of Notre Dame is getting the love it deserves.
"Beauty and the Beast" by a considerable amount. It looks stunning, Belle is easily my favourite Disney heroine, her interactions with the Beast are awesome and the story is one the strongest among the Renaissance.
"Mulan" and "The Lion King" are both awesome, but the former I find drags in parts and the latter's first half is so good the second half could not live up to it. Plus, let's not forget that the best scene in the film (you know what one I'm talking about) is immediately followed by one of the harshest tone shifts I've seen in a film.
The rest vary from really good ("Hunchback") to limp ("Pocahontas") as far as I'm concerned.
"Mulan" and "The Lion King" are both awesome, but the former I find drags in parts and the latter's first half is so good the second half could not live up to it. Plus, let's not forget that the best scene in the film (you know what one I'm talking about) is immediately followed by one of the harshest tone shifts I've seen in a film.
The rest vary from really good ("Hunchback") to limp ("Pocahontas") as far as I'm concerned.