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Something I find interesting: most people here seem to think of video LPs exclusively when they think of LPs. Not that I don't understand, of course; screenshot LPs never really took off in the same way that video LPs did. Just an observation.

What do you all think in general about Let's Players?
I like 'em, for two different reasons, which generally don't overlap but aren't necessarily mutually exclusive:
1) The people playing the games can be funny. Single-player channels who focus on being funny, such as PewDiePie and Markiplier, generally aren't really my thing, but I find that collaborative channels can be very enjoyable to watch. Game Grumps, for example, is one of my favourites.
2) I like to learn about games. Let's Players that know a lot about the games they play, such as ProtonJon and HCBailly, are interesting to watch. There generally isn't much overlap between this and collaborative channels; informative ones focus on the game, whereas collaborative ones focus on conversation. However, they are both fun to watch, but in different ways.

Do they help the gaming industry?
I don't see why they wouldn't. I will admit: sometimes I do like to read or watch LPs as a sort of substitute for a game that I've never had the opportunity to play. However, I think that they help expand my horizons, so to speak; there are games that I never would have given a second look that I've discovered via LPs. Additionally, a Let's Play can end up being the most honest and comprehensive review of a game possible; you're literally sitting down and watching someone play through an entire game, giving their reactions and opinions on everything they encounter. They're uncondensed, and a lot of people don't have time for that, but I would rather get a full, detailed and interesting report than a review that's been distilled to a few general, non-specific details that mean little to nothing because they have no context.

Do they hurt game devs more then game publishers?
I honestly don't see how they can be harmful, either. If a developer thinks that they're being harmed by LPs, they need to adapt in order to take advantage of them somehow.

Can just doing LPs be seen as a steady career and make a living off of that?
Hard to say, really. As much as I'd love to make a living off of my streaming channel, I get no viewers. I have fun with it, don't get me wrong, but I can't pay a bill with an average of 0 views. It's like being a celebrity; it's all about being in the right place in the right time. However, if you do manage to amass a dedicated fanbase, I can't really say that it's impossible to make a career out of it. It's kind of a risk, but so is every kind of career as an internet celebrity. Besides, a few people currently live off their LPs, so it's definitely possible, at least for a while.

Do you think LPs are stupid in general?
No, not really. They're not stupider than any other kind of entertainment, at any rate.
 

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"What do you all think in general about Let's Players?"
I'm a big fan of several. The Runawayguys (Especially Protonjon and Chuggaaconroy), Markiplier, Achievement Hunter, etc.

"Do they help the gaming industry?"
Absolutely. Especially the ones that don't just do Let's Plays. There are so many games I've gotten as a result of LPs and even more I intend to get once I can afford to. And based on what I've heard from others, it's not just me. I've seen "dead" games rise in popularity solely through the actions of LPers.

"Do they hurt game devs more then game publishers?"
The only time LPers actually cause harm is when the game is terrible. And you know what? If your game is terrible, you don't deserve sales. Period, end of story. Heck, even games that are "so bad it's good" are helped by LPers, so if your game is just horrid, too bad. Should've made a better game.

"Can just doing LPs be seen as a steady career and make a living off of that?"
This is something I see come up a lot and let me put it this way: There are many, many, many, MANY LPers. The only ones that can do it as a career are the ones that put forth the time and effort and you know what? I have no problem with that. If they are putting forth so much time and effort to make entertainment that is essentially free for the viewer, why shouldn't they be able to make a career of it?

"Do you think LPs are stupid in general?"
I would hope my previous answers make it quite clear the answer to this is "no."
 

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I don't see the appeal. I mean I saw a Let's Play where they cracked jokes about the game the entire time, MST3K style and I really liked it. But apparently most LPs aren't like that, so what's the appeal?

I mean I suppose you could use them as video walkthroughs, or to see super obscure games you probably won't play, but there's lots of Let's Plays of very recent games on Steam that get good views and they aren't being used as walkthroughs so I don't see the appeal.

Ok there's reaction videos to horror games but that wouldn't explain how let's plays of non horror games get popular.

Apart from all that the only time I'd ever watch people I don't know play games on the internet is if it was an unreleased game, a tournament between people who were really good at the game, or if it's an experiment like Twitch Plays Pokemon.

And I would really like to know the appeal. So can someone who is a fan please explain it to me? I promise not to make fun of you.
 

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Lilani said:
I love them. I think Markiplier is a genuinely cool guy as well as all of his friends and collaborators, I think the Game Grumps are all awesome, and I feel genuine worry for JonTron about the lack of videos he's made lately--not because I miss the videos, but because it makes me think there may be personal problems at play. I see most of them as really cool people, and it makes me feel good to see such good people be successful and have fun.

As for how they affect the industry, I think the draw attention to a lot of games that may not have otherwise gotten attention, and if they put people off of a game there's generally enough evidence in the video as to whether or not their criticism was warranted.
I've read that JonTron's apparently been trying to get back into theater. Could be where a lot of his time is going.

OT: Outside of Game Grumps I don't watch many LP's. They usually have to be pretty damn funny to hold my attention.
 

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1) I used to watch Game Grumps back when Jon was still there. I still sometimes re-watch their Sonic 06 playthrough because it is just solid gold.

2) Eh. Not really. At least not directly.

3) Nah. Walkthroughs do that more, but video walkthroughs existed long before LPs became what they are today, and they didn't hurt games much back then either.

4) If you're engaging, have a good audio setup and you make sure to diversify revenue sources then yes, you can. On the flip side, someone doing Let's Plays as a spin-off from their main stuff tires me out a little since not everyone is cut out for it. You have to be engaging and focused when doing a let's play, and far too often it's just people playing games with basic commentary. That's boring.

5) Nah. They can be good, but I've only experienced the comedic side. There may be informative let's plays that I haven't seen yet that are really good, like what Extra Credits used to do with Kentucky Route Zero.
 

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What do you all think in general about Let's Players?
They're ok

Do they help the gaming industry?
Yes, some of them give them early demo of a upcoming game thus showing us if it's worth buying or not.

Do they hurt game devs more then game publishers?
Maybe but that usually only apply to those aweful games on the Stream Greenlight

Can just doing LPs be seen as a steady career and make a living off of that?
Haha! I wish otherwise I would give it a try despite not having the equipment nor charimas to do so!

Do you think LPs are stupid in general?
No. I used to watched "Let's plays" with my brother during the 56k modern era! The difference is those LPer's are way more funnier than my bro focus mind.
 

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What do you all think in general about Let's Players?
Much of my free time is spent watching them.

Do they help the gaming industry?
I don't see how they wouldn't. They give exposure to games that "traditional" games media personalities will probably never glance at or even hear of.

Do they hurt game devs more then game publishers?
Let's Players do approximately as much harm to developers as SJWs; which is to say, not very much at all. In fact, most of the "harm" brought about by LPs tends to be directly caused by the meddling of a publisher (or the developer, in cases of indie developers self-publishing), either through extremely sketchy NDAs such as the Warner Bros. Shadow of Mordor thing or through them muscling in on Youtube a la Nintendo/Square Enix or copyright abuse and acting like they're the poor victims being taken advantage of by Youtubers.

Can just doing LPs be seen as a steady career and make a living off of that?
Sure, but it takes being incredibly lucky and putting in a hell of a lot of time into constantly recording, editing, and uploading videos.

Do you think LPs are stupid in general?
I should hope not, considering that @lacktheknack and I have begun doing LPs.
 

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I'm not going to go point by point on this one. Just going to say that I enjoy LPs and Twitch quite a bit. There's plenty of decent television nowadays that I enjoy, but sometimes I want a gaming experience even if I don't feel like actually playing the games myself.

As I get older, I find there are many games that I just can't play anymore. Fighters especially. I'm at the age where my reaction times just can't keep up. At least not to the degree it was in the 90s. So if I can't compete, I can at least watch the younger guys who can pull off some amazing matches and I still feel connected to the FGC. It's fun in it's own weird way and I am thankful that streaming/LPs are around to give me that experience.
 

CrystalShadow

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I do them, so I'm obviously biased in what I think, otherwise I wouldn't do it, now would I? XD
(it was never my intention to JUST do let's plays, but it has seemed to be what most my actually released videos are)

OK.
-what do I think of LPers...
It varies. They can be lots of fun to watch, or really dull. I suspect I'm on the dull side (that could of course just be lack of self-confidence talking). However, since what you're doing usually amounts to improvised entertainment, it's not surprising it's much harder than it looks.
The most useful skills to have to be reasonably successful, would appear to be improv comedy, and a good sense of observation to pick up something interesting to say about what you're playing.
Playing while narrating, especially while using semi-professional mics is also an artform unto itself.
Let's just say, challenging game, plus realtime narration equals lots more failures than if you were just focused on playing.

-Do they help the gaming industry?
Hard to say. In a sense it's basically free advertising. And if you have any idea what the advertising budget on a AAA game can look like, that's a pretty big deal.
It would help smaller devs with very small advertising budgets considerably more.
The downside is, it's out of your control, and any negative or poorly made content is likely to get huge attention drawn to it's flaws as welll.

-do they hurt game devs more than publishers?
I don't see why they would. Unless it exposes a Dev as being particularly bad at making things... But that only hurts in the sense of people not being tricked into buying something awful...

-can just doing LP'S be seen as a steady career and just make money off of that?
Perhaps. But only if you're good. VERY good.
And there's little security in it owing to the funding models, legally shaky ground, and the behaviour of the sites that facilitate it.
The odds of getting to that point aren't that much different to a person's odds of making it as a fulltime actor or musician. And it is easy to lose it all even if you've been a success in the past.
It is a potential career if you get lucky, but a very risky and unstable one.
And because you are operating independently, you have a lot of upfront costs to stand much of a chance of making it, with no guarantee of success, or ever recovering your initial expenses. (so, like starting a small business or being self-employed in general, really)

- do you think lp's are stupid in general?
Obviously not. Would YOU do something you thought was stupid? Especially if you had little prospect of getting anything out of it? (make no mistake, doing 'good' lp's is a relatively expensive hobby)

The people that do it aren't stupid or unskilled either, any more than any entertainer is.
Because to do it well, that's what you need to be.
Entertaining.

If you're not, nobody will watch... The gameplay alone rarely keeps people's interest by itself.
 

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What do you all think in general about Let's Players?
I don't feel strongly about them one way or another. I use LP videos to get random samples of game-play when I'm checking out a game. I rarely watch the whole thing though if I happen to find one that is actually interesting (which is usually down to the charisma of the LPer) and it's a game I've already played or have no intention of ever playing I will.

Do they help the gaming industry?
Well they help me. As for if they help the industry, maybe, it's advertising. I think 80% of the success 5NaF's and Amnesia is due to LP's. For people who watch all LP's by a person it might make them look at games they would otherwise not have paid attention to. Not everyone who watches the big personalities is a gamer either and they might actually decide start to buying some from LP's. They probably don't really help the big companies who pour tons of money into advertising already.

Do they hurt game devs more then game publishers?
Nah, games aren't like a movie. You do not get the full experience from just watching it so I don't see why they would be harmful unless your game is absolute shit or you're lying about something in which case you deserve to lose sales. Even then if a "funny" LPer plays a crappy game and mocks it, it will still get you some sales for being funny in how crap it is and reviews would be just as damaging as LP's.

Can just doing LPs be seen as a steady career and make a living off of that?
Doesn't pewdepie live off it and very well? so yes. Although I don't know how ling that's going to last and it's not something someone should start thinking it's going to be a career and ditch their job for. Most LPers don't go anywhere.

Do you think LPs are stupid in general?
I find the overreaction ones stupid, different strokes for different folks I guess, but in general no.
 

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Lets players certainly aren't something I enjoy and they in fact frequently annoy me. When I look for gameplay footage I want to see the game but I have no desire to hear someone talk over it. Its distracting and I find it increasingly harder to find footage that isn't lets play. Kid Icarus is the epitome of this annoyance. I often look up footage of that game because the endless banter amuses me but I often have to look very hard for footage where the Lets Players don't talk straight through the banter and thus ruin it.

They aren't for me but in these sort of discussions I tend to be on the Lets Players side. I believe the free advertisement outweighs anyone swayed into not buying the game and if a Lets Player can make a living off of lets play's I don't see anything wrong with them doing so.
 

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Angry Joes issue with Nintendo is not specifically about LP. It?s about the monetization of videos containing gameplay of Nintendo games in general.
He merely used a LP to test the situation because it is a low effort as far as video content is concerned.
What he is more likely about is that under given circumstances it is not viable for him to do Angry Reviews of Nintendo games. The main attraction of the content he creates.

Parasondox said:
What do you all think in general about Let's Players?
It exists and I don?t get why it is popular.
I don?t watch LPs. I may look into a video guide for a section of a game I can?t solve but I specifically look for guides and the solution of the problem and not some LP.

Parasondox said:
Do they help the gaming industry?
I don?t know.

Parasondox said:
Do they hurt game devs more then game publishers?
I don?t know but why would you even presume that they hurt anybody?

Parasondox said:
Can just doing LPs be seen as a steady career and make a living off of that?
PewDiePie seems to make about 2 million dollar a year. That?s more in a year that I will make in my entire life excluded the chance I win the lottery?
So apparently yes it can be.
Do I think it is a career people should pursue? ? No.

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Do you think LPs are stupid in general?
Knowing nothing of the person I withhold my judgment about their intelligence based on a sample of gameplay.
 

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Game Grumps and Vinesauce are all I watch in terms of LPers.
Honestly, I primarily watch them for the personality rather than the game.

I don't think they have much effect on the gaming industry besides another way for publishers to advertise if they pay the players to play the game on their channels or whatever, which I feel is unethical, but whatever.
 

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I quite like a few Let's players such as NintendoCapriSun and Vash12349. Some of the games they have played has made me want to pick it up myself, but I don't think that you can make a stable long term career out of it though.
 

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Parasondox said:
What do you all think in general about Let's Players?
Nothing much. They can be fun to watch.

Do they help the gaming industry?
Nintendo gets their money's worth.

Do they hurt game devs more then game publishers?
I cannot comment on an ongoing police investigation.

Can just doing LPs be seen as a steady career and make a living off of that?
Maybe if you yell enough.

Do you think LPs are stupid in general?
No.
 

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What do you all think in general about Let's Players?
In general, screaming memespewing man children getting views because they yell. There are a few that I enjoy watching that don't spout crap or play crappy games to yell at them, but in general, the ones who do that aren't very successful, if they are they're the minority.

Do they help the gaming industry?
Don't know.

Do they hurt game devs more then game publishers?
Don't know

Can just doing LPs be seen as a steady career and make a living off of that?
The ones I watc? No, they have jobs. People making bank like Pewdie? Sure.

Do you think LPs are stupid in general?
No, a lot of games these days are going for the whole *interactive story* and *cinematic* thing. Same games are just better to watch than play unfortunately. Also, now that we have pretty much no demo's ever, they're a good way to check out new games to see if they're rubbish before buying them.
 

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What do you all think in general about Let's Players?
Well I do LPs myself, so I enjoy them. There's several I watch... Markiplier, NerdCubed, and GameGrumps, NeosForme, Quill18, and a few others. And much like CrystalShadow above (PM me your channel, I'm curious to see what you do) said, it can be harder than you think. It depends on the style you're going for, after all... are you trying to be funny? Informative? Analytical? Regardless you almost always have to be entertaining at least, and that's tricky in its own right, and how to entertain also varies depending on the game.

Do they help the gaming industry?
I am honestly unsure, personally. I can't give an opinion there, personally.

Do they hurt game devs more then game publishers?
I don't really see how they hurt either, truth be told.

Can just doing LPs be seen as a steady career and make a living off of that?
First of all, I don't monetize my videos, for reasons including not wanting to be a hypocrite and not wanting others to suffer through ads. That said, a random person getting a steady career and making a living off it is probably less likely than a random person getting a steady career and making a living as an Actor or a Comedian. LPers are basically entertainers, after all, and if you can't cut it there you'll have trouble. Not only that, due to how little money I hear comes in through ad revenue on YouTube (Maybe a couple cents for every hundred views, I think?) you would need to get VERY popular to get a living wage out of it.

Do you think LPs are stupid in general?
Mostly, no. LPs done wrong, sure, and maybe LPs of certain types of games are probably stupid, but the concept in general, no, it's not.
 

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I used to watch them as a kid but now they bore me. I hate that they dominate the gaming community.
I think they help the industry and if someone wants to that's their right.

I do get annoyed if somebody titles a video "Let's Play" but there is no commentary.
 

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Fat_Hippo said:
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EpicNameBro is one of them. Much better than his name might imply. Did work on the Dark Souls 2 and Bloodborne guides and is currently doing a nice Bloodborne LP. Very down to earth sounding fella.
I love ENB! I don't have a PS4 and I never plan on playing Bloodborne so I'm loving his LP of it. Having worked on the guide for BB and Dark Souls 2 he has so much knowledge of the lore and little nuggets of information that other people might miss. I think that's what legitimizes LPers, at least to me, the fact that they do inject their own personalities and bring commentaries and different takes on the games.
Haha, I'm doing the same thing. I would actually love to play Bloodborne, but I won't be getting a PS4 anytime soon, so this is the next best thing, and ENB is one of cooler guys doing Souls LP's.
I think my favorite part is when he starts quoting Rage Against the Machine in his flat even voice. the "bam chicka bam bam" cracks me up each time.