I usually hear "try and do X" in slightly sarcastic situations, and usually it's to (1) insinuate that the person isn't trying at all, in which case it makes sense to tell them to "try", and then (2) instruct them on what to do. So maybe it isn't 100% textbook grammar, but it is not an error at all.Silentpony said:Grammar actually.
As far as I'm concerned, the phrase "Try and do X" is grammatically incorrect. You cannot try and do well. What does trying look like without a verb attached to it? Have you ever just tried. Tried nothing, but tried all the same?
No. That's not a phrase.
The correct phrase is "Try to do well." That makes sense. It gives try a direction, as it kinda' requires one to make sense. Simply trying and then doing well is a dumb phrase.
Whenever I hear someone say "Oh, I'll try and be there soon." I just sigh...
Think of it as "following/trailing" the moving train that is the plot of the movie, such that you only see unfocused bits of it. And I don't know what you're going on about with 'concept', which is the summation of several smaller ideas.Recusant said:One of my longstanding big ones is people misusing words in an attempt to sound more intelligent. The traditional offender here is "concept", said when people mean "idea", but don't want to use a word so commonplace ("conception" is the joining of male and female gametes; while an idea is an idea, a concept is a zygote), but of late it's been given a run for its money by abuse of the word "trailer", here used to refer to a movie, tv, etc. preview. Follow me closely here: a trailer trails something- that is, it comes after. Not before. After, like with the trailers attached to semis out on the highway. A preview, by contrast, comes before- you see it before you've have seen the thing it's a segment of; you have pre-viewed a piece of it. If you head to the movies (in the US, at least), before each preview, you'll see a little screen saying (emphasis mine) "the following preview has been approved for general audiences by the Motion Picture Association of America". If the MPAA can grasp it, it's not a complicated idea.
Sure, but simply turning the phrase around makes more sense. You can't eat you cake and have it too, because you just ate it. It's gone.rasta111 said:It makes no difference it's a simple concept: Having eaten your cake you no longer have it so why have it if you're not going to eat it? You can't unless you're saying cakes have some other magical purpose other than eating?Fox12 said:My other biggest peive is when people say "you can't have your cake and eat it too." Why not? It's my cake, I have it, why can't I eat it? Is it so wrong to eat the cake that I have, that is mine? It's the other way around. You can't eat your cake and have it too. Whatever, I'll let harlan explain it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUYYfGkc5PQ
Maybe you could turn it into some kind of modern art exhibit.![]()
I actually agree with you on this, it's like someone is just straight saying you can't eat the cake you just baked. My point was mere semantics, it makes no actual difference how you say it as long as you're conveying the same idea but it can work on different levels. I used to feel the same way as it can be a little confusing... But as long as it's understood eventually that's what really matters in the end.Fox12 said:I will knife fight anyone who disagrees with me on this![]()
Or maybe they were showing interest because they know nothing about it and wanted to talk to you about it? I do that all the time. I strike up a conversation with someone, and ask them a general question like "So what hobbies do you have?" or "I see you are knitting, how long have you been knitting? Do you do it as a business or just for fun?" Yeah, I don't know shit about any of these subjects, but that doesn't mean I don't have interest in them, or can at least appreciate your personal interest in them, and enjoy a conversation about the subject. Knowing something about the subject, is not a prerequisite for being interested in a conversation about it.Ebola_chan said:When people pretend to be interested in something you're interested in just to seem more interesting. And when you try to talk about it, it becomes clear that they actually don't know anything about whatever the thing is. It's just insincere and awkward.
Sometimes an idea can be a concept, though. If the idea was conceived out of a joining of ideas, particulary from two distinct sources, then it can be fitting, even effective to describe the idea along the lines of "...the concept was born out of a conversation I was having with my dad..."Recusant said:I'm kind of surprised at the expectation people'll only have one. This world is chock full of aggravating nonsense; that most people tolerate with (at most) a grumble and a sneer doesn't make it any less aggravating.
One of my longstanding big ones is people misusing words in an attempt to sound more intelligent. The traditional offender here is "concept", said when people mean "idea", but don't want to use a word so commonplace ("conception" is the joining of male and female gametes; while an idea is an idea, a concept is a zygote), but of late it's been given a run for its money by abuse of the word "trailer", here used to refer to a movie, tv, etc. preview. Follow me closely here: a trailer trails something- that is, it comes after. Not before. After, like with the trailers attached to semis out on the highway. A preview, by contrast, comes before- you see it before you've have seen the thing it's a segment of; you have pre-viewed a piece of it. If you head to the movies (in the US, at least), before each preview, you'll see a little screen saying (emphasis mine) "the following preview has been approved for general audiences by the Motion Picture Association of America". If the MPAA can grasp it, it's not a complicated idea.
Keep in mind I said 'pretend'. As in they actually don't care about the subject or know anything about it. Of course I would never judge someone just because they don't know as much about something as me, that's not what I'm talking about. I just bugs me when people tailor their hobbies and interests in an attempt to seem more interesting, and I see that happen a lot.Happyninja42 said:Or maybe they were showing interest because they know nothing about it and wanted to talk to you about it? I do that all the time. I strike up a conversation with someone, and ask them a general question like "So what hobbies do you have?" or "I see you are knitting, how long have you been knitting? Do you do it as a business or just for fun?" Yeah, I don't know shit about any of these subjects, but that doesn't mean I don't have interest in them, or can at least appreciate your personal interest in them, and enjoy a conversation about the subject. Knowing something about the subject, is not a prerequisite for being interested in a conversation about it.Ebola_chan said:When people pretend to be interested in something you're interested in just to seem more interesting. And when you try to talk about it, it becomes clear that they actually don't know anything about whatever the thing is. It's just insincere and awkward.
This example of the subset of grammatical errors probably irks me the most: the ignorance of homophones. English is replete [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_dialect-independent_homophones] with them [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_dialect-dependent_homophones], yet people (people who've claimed to have read books, mind) consistently misuse words. It always makes me double-take or pause whenever I see something written that is completely incorrect. It's also annoying seeing this in text messages, knowing the sender has a smartphone with a full keyboard, auto-correct and the works, yet still manages to misspell or misuse a word or words. Every time I've misspelled a word for a cheap chuckle, I've had to deliberately choose my own spelling, typically after it has been automatically corrected. This tells me that some people must think they're correct when spelling certain words, think auto-correct is wrong, and have reverted to their spelling of a word out of ignorance or stupidity.Ebola_chan said:Also when people say 'could of' or 'should of' it drives me insane. The proper form being could've or should've.
If you live in the city and have to hear drunk people arguing, kids to and from school screaming their heads off on the bus, some couple arguing over who's the least loyal in their relationship, sirens every 10 bloody minutes, helicopters over head every hour, babies screaming cause they parents are on the phone ignoring them, people on phones who invites everyone to their conversation because they have to speak so damn loud and get offended when someone tells them to lower their speaking voice cause it's also the quiet part of the train, yeah I damn well would have my noise cancelling headphones on.Ihateregistering1 said:-Noise cancelling headphones. Yes I know this one doesn't affect me in the slightest, but for some reason it gets to me seeing people walking around in public with noise-cancelling headphones on. Is it seriously that terrible to listen to the world around you?
Blame the people who don't design roads to accommodate bicycles, my friend. Over here there's more than plenty of bicycle paths, and even in the rare case that there isn't, people will show the proper etiquette and drive as close to the side of the road as possible. Unless ofcourse it's high schoolers who'll ride side-by-side in numbers of three or even four.Fox12 said:Bicycles on the road. They piss me off like nothing else. You can't afford a car, and need a form of cheap transportation? That's fine, I understand. But when I see this moron:
clogging traffic, and forcing cars to go around him? Yeah, fuck that guy.Q![]()
Actually, yes. Yes it is.Ihateregistering1 said:-Noise cancelling headphones. Yes I know this one doesn't affect me in the slightest, but for some reason it gets to me seeing people walking around in public with noise-cancelling headphones on. Is it seriously that terrible to listen to the world around you?
I'm fine with people who are polite, obey the road laws, and who use common sense. Some people can't afford a vehicle, and need a bike for work. Others simply enjoy a ride. I'm fine with those people. My issue is with a specific subset of bikers.Casual Shinji said:Blame the people who don't design roads to accommodate bicycles, my friend. Over here there's more than plenty of bicycle paths, and even in the rare case that there isn't, people will show the proper etiquette and drive as close to the side of the road as possible. Unless ofcourse it's high schoolers who'll ride side-by-side in numbers of three or even four.Fox12 said:Bicycles on the road. They piss me off like nothing else. You can't afford a car, and need a form of cheap transportation? That's fine, I understand. But when I see this moron:
clogging traffic, and forcing cars to go around him? Yeah, fuck that guy.Q![]()
Professional cyclists on the other hand can often be dicks who generally show a complete disregard for other motorists and casual cyclists.
FPLOON post="9.838935.20596507" said:1. Multiplayer Trophies - Let me break this one down with three reasons why this in one of my pet peeves... #3) These types of trophies are the least likely to last as long as you want them to, compared to single player trophies... (In other words, "get then while they're hot"!) #2) If you don't have the "skillz" to pull them off, I'm sure persuading one of your friend to help you get them by any means necessary... and #1) They are required to get in order to get that 100% achievements... (Fuck you game for thinking I was going to roll with that, especially when the multiplayer is either shoe-horned in and/or the trophies themselves could have been in their own damn section!)
2. Lack of Enjoyment - Subjective as it is, if I'm not having fun... It's not always me who has "the problem"...
3. Inexcusable Criticism - I get how you don't like a particular genre or a particular style of gameplay... That does not mean it objectively "sucks"... (Also, you better have a good reason for your opinion of a game you haven't even played, yet you're already have your "suck pistols" at the ready...)
Those last two seem to switch, given both the circumstances and/or my subjective mood that day... However, #1 will always be #1 until I grow old and complain about the next next generation's technology or something like that... (I WILL have a cane, dammit! ...And I will NOT be afraid to smack some sense into that particular generation, by gummit...)
Huh... 2014, am I right?FPLOON post="18.848905.20960058" said:"The show's still good even without the [original] creator(s) on board..."
I don't know why that statement peeves me to no end... But, it kinda does whenever someone start comparing seasons to a particular show, where the earlier season had the creator on board and the later season does not...
Also, fans claiming that one show is just copying another show that came before it... It peeves me even more when they start taking both shows apart piece by piece just to show how much they are "alike" or how one show truly is "copying" the other...
And, yes... The results to my overall peeveness to either situations varies from show to show, topic to topic... It's never THAT consistent...
Ihateregistering1 said:-Noise cancelling headphones. Yes I know this one doesn't affect me in the slightest, but for some reason it gets to me seeing people walking around in public with noise-cancelling headphones on. Is it seriously that terrible to listen to the world around you?
Parasondox said:If you live in the city and have to hear drunk people arguing, kids to and from school screaming their heads off on the bus, some couple arguing over who's the least loyal in their relationship, sirens every 10 bloody minutes, helicopters over head every hour, babies screaming cause they parents are on the phone ignoring them, people on phones who invites everyone to their conversation because they have to speak so damn loud and get offended when someone tells them to lower their speaking voice cause it's also the quiet part of the train, yeah I damn well would have my noise cancelling headphones on.
However, in the countryside or near the river, I let my ears experience nature. I need to go back to Wales more often.
Ok, now I'm starting to understand why I don't like them (and I do live in a major city, btw): they have this sort of misanthropic quality to them. It sort of seems like "everyone annoys me, I don't want to listen to anyone, I don't want anyone to talk to me, so I'm going to put these on and shut myself off from the world".ObsidianJones said:Actually, yes. Yes it is.
I suffer outside. I'm terribly shy, even though I was paid for a long time not to be. I don't really know how to deal with other people, nor am I completely inclined to learn. Being outside without some type of sanity measure (i.e. music that makes me happy) will leave me feeling uncomfortable.
Yet, I live in a society and I have to go out. So I do what I must.