Your ideal national anthem
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Whilst I liked TB opening, and I like the Fourth Doc a whole lot.... I just love the nice guy, image of British modern gentlemen feel of Davison. He allowed himself a refined weakness, he allowed himself violence but that it stained his hands... a difference between vindication by necessity, and necessity but that one should still feel guilty. Far better than the 'pacifist' Doctors of melodrama that is now airing.the December King said:
That and the Davison opening music has a somewhat slightly Cyberpunkish edge...
Something that sounds like the Soviet national anthem, but with lyrics that aren't depressingly ironic and Orwellian.
Hell no. I would support DW theme, even the tin foil fed into a paper shredder that is McCoy's, over God Save the Queen. Or this ...Barbas said:
Good call on Davison. He was less manic and kooky than Tom, I thought, which made him a little more relatable, but I found him a little more 'middle of the road' for that- not boring, just not as fun, you know? But it has been a while since I got to watch some classic Who, and the few episodes that were on Netflix have been removed from the Canadian libraries...PaulH said:
And after all, I was, like, eight.
Oh yeah... I get you. Though I think there were some really powerful Davison moments. Like his meeting Omega. Where he's assembling the matter converter infront of Omega. As if begging him to show some ounce of regret. Some ounce that he would cease. If it had been any other doctor, particularly the new ones, the 'matter converter' would be already built. The answer already available. All contingencies already available.the December King said:
The fact that Davison is going into a dangerous situation without knowing exactly what he's going to do, but that premeditation of violence never entered his thoughts. A Doctor in deed and namesake.
But yeah, specifically in terms of fun.... yeah I can see the Baker argument... I think Bakrr got the right amount of expressiveness (Einstein would say 'compound interest', I say 'Baker eyes' as the most powerful force in the universe), kookyness, rationality, genius, and fun.
Though in terms of stupid, campy fun... Jon Pertwee. British Batman.
But I'm likely younger than you. My experience of the Pre-CB doctors was Dad's old recordings and the new releases on DVD and tape. Given a lot of episodes they've basically resorted to drawing and recorded scripts is a crying shame. BBC ... proof genius doesn't mean smart.
Do you know, I don't remember Davison meeting Omega in his run? That's not saying much, though, as I only got what PBS got back in the day. I always found Omega compelling, though. When I watched The Three Doctors originally, I may have gotten a lump in my throat when he... well, he just seemed like such an awesome and tragic figure, is all. I'd love to see that series of episodes.PaulH said:
Pertwee definitely had camp. But even then, it was so entertaining! I'd love to get my hands on some compilations of the older episodes, I just haven't had a chance to look into it.PaulH said:
Well my favorite national album is the unofficial national anthem of Scotland which is Caledonia
If I had choose an ideal national anthem it would be between this
and this
If I had choose an ideal national anthem it would be between this
and this
fezzthemonk said:
I'm far too ill informed to rank our anthem, but contrasting it to the US one thing I've always appreciated is how easily it works, or you could say even works best, being sung by a crowd. Unlike the American anthem and many others which is best sung by a single voice.Redlin5 said:
I do enjoy our real anthem too though.
Ah, but that opening music was first created during the last season of Baker's run. When JNT took over, he changed lots of things to put his own stamp on it (and possibly to distance his who from previous who like Moffatt seems to like doing). New intro, new music, new outfit for Baker, new incidental music (got rid of Dudley Simpson, who'd been there, at least to an extent, since the First Doctor), new writers.PaulH said:
His first series, the first 4 stories (with Liz Shaw before she got replaced by Jo Grant) weren't at all, they didn't know quite what they were doing with the series yet and the stories were seriously dark.the December King said:
Spearhead from Space decided to stick the horror into the series. Apparently when the Autons break out of the store and attack was voted the second scariest scene in Dr Who, after the Weeping Angels in "Blink".
Doctor Who and the Silurians has the Doctor running round trying to prevent a war, and fails. Millions of people die of plague, and once it's cured, the Silurians are totally wiped out.
Ambassadors of Death featured a mad general trying to start a war, but I think uniquely for Who, he was clearly mad as in "broken", not evil.
Inferno has the Doctor running around an evil alternate version of Earth trying to prevent a disaster, and when it occurs, trying to get back to normal Earth to prevent the same happening there. Everyone on the alternate Earth is treated as a proper human character, as deserving of being saved as anyone else, but the Doctor gives up even trying to save them and they all die.
Doctor Who and the Silurians has the Doctor running round trying to prevent a war, and fails. Millions of people die of plague, and once it's cured, the Silurians are totally wiped out.
Ambassadors of Death featured a mad general trying to start a war, but I think uniquely for Who, he was clearly mad as in "broken", not evil.
Inferno has the Doctor running around an evil alternate version of Earth trying to prevent a disaster, and when it occurs, trying to get back to normal Earth to prevent the same happening there. Everyone on the alternate Earth is treated as a proper human character, as deserving of being saved as anyone else, but the Doctor gives up even trying to save them and they all die.
Got lighter and fluffier and more Star Treky after that. They also had shorter stories, his first was 4 parts, but the next 3 were seven parters, and tended to drag a bit.
Also, totally ripping off Quatermass at times.
I'm one of those Australians that reckons we should have gone with 'Waltzin Matilda' instead of 'Advance Australia Fair' for our anthem. Matilda is catchy, has heart, and better represents the kind of laid-back image we like to cultivate. AAF is just a bit too serious and a bit too jingoistic for my liking.
Though, the 'Working Class Man' version of it is legit. I'd go with that.
Though, the 'Working Class Man' version of it is legit. I'd go with that.
It originally started "Australia's Sons" not "Australians All", but that was quickly changed.Kingjackl said:
There's also a bit that goes "For those that come across the sea, we've boundless plains to share". The second half of that needs to be changed to "The offshore camps beware" or something.
I'll be honest, I don't remember that first series, In fact, my memory of Pertwee begins with Joe Grant's tenure as his assistant.thaluikhain said:
I think that Bill Bailey makes a compelling case for the wonder that is the Belarusian national anthem.
But for my country, I'm one of those people who think the lyrics are fine (great even) but the music needs updating to something distinctly more... traditionally Aussie. As demonstrated by Adam Hills.
But for my country, I'm one of those people who think the lyrics are fine (great even) but the music needs updating to something distinctly more... traditionally Aussie. As demonstrated by Adam Hills.
Yeah, but Davison had it longest. Though you are right, I had forgotten about that. Hrm. In fact I can't even remember that. I'll have to dig around dad's old recordings and see if I can rewatch them all.thaluikhain said:
My favourite is the New Zealand national anthem, which is in both Maori and English.
I'd like something similar for Australia, but there are so many indigenous languages you could never do it.
I'd like something similar for Australia, but there are so many indigenous languages you could never do it.