That's not how Time Turners work though. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_paradox]Relish in Chaos said:
Your Most Annoying Case of "Forgot About His Powers."
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Peter Petrelli in Heroes?..the guy absorbs/copies other powers just by being near people without harming the original Super and he never loses their power after that. He has stood near his brother (flight), Claire (regeneration on an absurd level), Hiro (teleportation and TIME TRAVEL), and a large number of other people and yet he ALWAYS forgets that he can move super fast, time travel, etc. if it'd make the plot end quickly. What. An. Idiot.
Yeah, sorry, realized all that later. I guess I run into so many Desmond haters, it's sort of a knee-jerk reaction. My honest bad.Sniper Team 4 said:
Oh, that's Persona 4: Golden bullshit, I was just talking about Persona 4 (since I never mentioned Golden in my original post), in which she was the actual Goddess in the story you hear in the school. In Golden, Marie never existed, and the final storyling with the goddess is different (as in the villain is more of a character).Korten12 said:
For the most part I like to ignore Golden, I've played it all the way through, and haven't found anything they've added that's worth adding, and most of what they've added makes the game worse (as in a really terrible dungeon, skills, mosnters, an awful boss, etc.), they also seem to have missed the point behind some of the things that happened, like the original hotsprings scene was supposed to be a joke about the usual shameful hotspring scenes that happen in other Japanese games/anime, but in Golden, they added a second, where they are soap bubbles away from an M rating (on underage girls no less, classy move Atlus). Also, this scene comes out of nowhere (it happens almost immediately after beating a boss), and doesn't make any sense in relation to the place they're in.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Derp!Rainbowloid said:
But still...I do find it strange that they ever only used it in one book. Even if it was to affect events that already would've happened due to predestination or whatever.
Yeah, that's true. But, at least in-universe, you could argue that Dio Brando, being the arrogant bastard he is, arrogantly believed The World was so powerful that he wouldn't even need to use his Space Ripper Stingy Eyes (come on, that is a stupidly cool name), but didn't realise how much he may've needed it until it was too late.YingDerpington said:
What I do find strange is that Dio knows The World can stop time and that Jotaro's Star Platinum had similar powers to this, and that Joseph's Hermit Purple was linked to the Stand that Dio had taken over from Jonathan's body, but he apparently didn't even consider the possibility that Jotaro could move during stopped time or even stop time himself. That was fucking idiotic. Part of the reason why I don't like Dio as a villain, because he only ever seems to be shown to think about things in Part 6 (you know, when he's already fucking dead), yet has somehow discovered some unexplained recipe about how to "go to Heaven", including a clusterfuck of events where a green plant-baby is born and responds to certain words for some reason.
Geez most of this thread is about the god danm Gyspy new sword ability plothole, I kind of suprised no one mention the lastest Hobbit movie yet-
Ok yes, Bilbo did used his ring when needed but the scene when he enounter Smaug but there where times he should of put the ring back on again (mainly the chase scene). Ok yes Smaug did smell his scent but either then he didn't snap him up straight away or rather he kept toying with him.
Ok yes, Bilbo did used his ring when needed but the scene when he enounter Smaug but there where times he should of put the ring back on again (mainly the chase scene). Ok yes Smaug did smell his scent but either then he didn't snap him up straight away or rather he kept toying with him.
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All this Pacific Rim talk, but not one mention of Beyond: Two Souls, in which the entire game is built around this trope?
Basically anything and everything to do with Aiden's powers, like how he's able to put a shield to protect Jodie, but only uses it twice, maybe three times in the whole game, where he could be using it far more, like, I don't know, the other dozens of times Jodie gets her ass beat or shot at? How about every time Jodie fights a guy in an extended action sequence. Why doesn't Aiden, you know, do anything? And that's not mentioning all the inconsistencies with his powers which they never explain.
Basically anything and everything to do with Aiden's powers, like how he's able to put a shield to protect Jodie, but only uses it twice, maybe three times in the whole game, where he could be using it far more, like, I don't know, the other dozens of times Jodie gets her ass beat or shot at? How about every time Jodie fights a guy in an extended action sequence. Why doesn't Aiden, you know, do anything? And that's not mentioning all the inconsistencies with his powers which they never explain.
Matthewmagic said:
I think something you're forgetting about Homura's powers is that she can only stop time for a few seconds in a row. I just watched the movies last night (Yay, people buying insanely expensive blu-rays I can't afford) and the longest I recall her disappearing was when she beat the oil drum in timeline 2, which was only 5 seconds or so. Additionally, she doesn't seem to have any way to fly or move especially quickly, so it would be impossible for her to ever stop Kyubei from getting to Madoka, especially considering Kyubei can communicate telepathically. Now, looking at the incident with Sayaka's soul gem, I don't think Homura could have stopped it in time, especially considering that she was as surprised as anyone else when it happened, so it took her a few seconds to even react. Even if she had reacted more quickly, what could she have done, thrown herself off the bridge and grabbed it in free fall? (Then hitting the moving truck herself and being carried off.) Additionally, there is no indication that Homura knew the true nature of the soul gems, so she would have had no reason to do this. If you look at episode 10, the only things Homura learned (that were shown)was that Magical Girls turn into Witches, and that if the soul gem is destroyed, the dies as well.
Looking at your theory about the lack of limitations of Homura's powers, I see no reason to assume they weren't limited to what she used, especially given she had 8 years of repeating the same month to try everything and yet she would have had to have never thought about trying to stop everything before it began. With your example of Sayaka's powers, while they weren't limited to just healing Kamijou, they did seem to be limited to just healing herself. On the same logic, Homura's powers were not limited to only travelling back to the beginning of the month, she was also capable of stopping time for a short period.
To go through your ideas as to how she could have done things better, firstly, she couldn't avoid Mami's ribbons because they took her by surprise, so she couldn't react before they had made contact, after which point her couldn't affect Mami. I fail to see what she would have done to save Sayaka, given that she knew much less about what would happen to her than Madoka because she didn't care about Sayaka she wouldn't have known where to go to stop her from becoming depressed. Also, even when she did offer help by giving Sayaka a grief seed, Sayaka refused it. As I mentioned , she couldn't have stopped Kyubei because she didn't always know when he would show , and given that Kyubey doesn't need to be close to Madoka to talk, and that Homura can't instantly move from place to another, so just killing him repeatedly wouldn't work.
Looking at your theory about the lack of limitations of Homura's powers, I see no reason to assume they weren't limited to what she used, especially given she had 8 years of repeating the same month to try everything and yet she would have had to have never thought about trying to stop everything before it began. With your example of Sayaka's powers, while they weren't limited to just healing Kamijou, they did seem to be limited to just healing herself. On the same logic, Homura's powers were not limited to only travelling back to the beginning of the month, she was also capable of stopping time for a short period.
To go through your ideas as to how she could have done things better, firstly, she couldn't avoid Mami's ribbons because they took her by surprise, so she couldn't react before they had made contact, after which point her couldn't affect Mami. I fail to see what she would have done to save Sayaka, given that she knew much less about what would happen to her than Madoka because she didn't care about Sayaka she wouldn't have known where to go to stop her from becoming depressed. Also, even when she did offer help by giving Sayaka a grief seed, Sayaka refused it. As I mentioned , she couldn't have stopped Kyubei because she didn't always know when he would show , and given that Kyubey doesn't need to be close to Madoka to talk, and that Homura can't instantly move from place to another, so just killing him repeatedly wouldn't work.
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Here's the thing, Pacific Rim is actually pretty well written, which is why people have a vested interest in any plot holes that may or may not be in it.[Kira Must Die said:
Beyond Two Souls is a piece of crap written by an absolute hack so no one cares about the plot holes in it, since the entire game is basically nothing but plot holes.
Hold the phone, is this a Madoka spat I see?Foridin said:
Yes, Homura's abilities are limited. I mean, if her powers were limitless, then she could've easily beaten Walpurgisnacht. Also, using magic taints their soul gems, so there's that, too.
Also, people have to consider that Homura has a LOT on her plate she has to deal with. Not only does she have to prevent Madoka from forming a contract with Kyubey, there's also the Walpurgisnacht problem. She needs to make sure Mami and Kyouko doesn't die, and that Sayaka doesn't become a witch. Not only that, but she has to convince them to work together to fight Walpurgisnacht, and even with their help, fighting Walpurgisnacht would still prove difficult. Add the fact that her powers are limited, and that using magic taints their soul gem further, so they also need enough grief seeds for the battle, and they got themselves into one hell of a pickle, not to mention that if Kyubey hasn't gotten to Madoka at this point, the Walpurgisnacht situation will convince her to make a contract. All this, while still keeping her mental state in tact, because as Kyubey mentioned, the minute she gives up hope she turns into a witch.
As for the whole Kyubey thing, they never really clarify exactly whether he has infinite bodies or limited. If they did imply that he as a limited number of bodies, they never say how many spares he has. He can have a hundred, or he can have a million. Either way, Homura would just be wasting her time, as well as her magic and grief seeds, on something that could take forever and get her nowhere, when she could be solving the whole Walpurgis thing.
Also, just to clarify, Sayaka can heal others, actually.
*Nerd mode activate*
In the spin-off manga, The Different Story, Sayaka uses her healing abilities to help Mami in battle. And yes, it's canon. She doesn't display this in the show because she's working alone and has no reason to.
Also, people have to consider that Homura has a LOT on her plate she has to deal with. Not only does she have to prevent Madoka from forming a contract with Kyubey, there's also the Walpurgisnacht problem. She needs to make sure Mami and Kyouko doesn't die, and that Sayaka doesn't become a witch. Not only that, but she has to convince them to work together to fight Walpurgisnacht, and even with their help, fighting Walpurgisnacht would still prove difficult. Add the fact that her powers are limited, and that using magic taints their soul gem further, so they also need enough grief seeds for the battle, and they got themselves into one hell of a pickle, not to mention that if Kyubey hasn't gotten to Madoka at this point, the Walpurgisnacht situation will convince her to make a contract. All this, while still keeping her mental state in tact, because as Kyubey mentioned, the minute she gives up hope she turns into a witch.
As for the whole Kyubey thing, they never really clarify exactly whether he has infinite bodies or limited. If they did imply that he as a limited number of bodies, they never say how many spares he has. He can have a hundred, or he can have a million. Either way, Homura would just be wasting her time, as well as her magic and grief seeds, on something that could take forever and get her nowhere, when she could be solving the whole Walpurgis thing.
Also, just to clarify, Sayaka can heal others, actually.
*Nerd mode activate*
In the spin-off manga, The Different Story, Sayaka uses her healing abilities to help Mami in battle. And yes, it's canon. She doesn't display this in the show because she's working alone and has no reason to.
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Interesting, I haven't gotten around to reading The Different Story yet. I'm curious as to what you thought of it, especially in comparison to Oriko Magica and Kazumi Magica, if you've read them. So far I've yet to be impressed by any of the Madoka manga I've read, so I've not been all that enthused about getting a copy of The Different Story. In regards to the rest of your post, at least in the movie, Kyubey simply says that he has enough spares to make Homura killing him a waste of time, but I don't think there was more detail than that. In terms of what Homura is trying to do, I've always gotten the sense that she was just doomed to fail, given that Walpurgisnacht took two Magical Girls to kill in the first timeline, and even then both of them died, and then at least with all of the shown timelines (With the possible exception of The Different Story)I think Homura and Madoka are the only ones to survive, so unless Homura found a way to keep other girls alive, which she has not been shown being able to, Walpurgisnacht isn't going down without Madoka contracting.
Foridin said:
I absolutely loved The Different Story. The first volume is a prequel centered around Mami and Kyouko, and their relationship as a magical girl duo. The two volumes following is an alternate timeline, with Mami basically playing the main lead. Not only does it give us more insight into Mami's and Kyouko's character, but it's also a very emotional tale. It's by far the best of the Madoka mangas, as it actually adds more to the story and characters. I thought Oriko wasn't too bad. It was bleak and it kept me reading. I have my issues with Kazumi, though.