Your opinion on Spawn-Trapping + Spawn Camping

[Hurr Durr Derp]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

 

[SimuLord]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

In short: Remind me never to play online with Mr. Panda Avatar here.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

In short: Remind me never to play online with Mr. Panda Avatar here.

If you're the kind of sore loser who'd rather incessantly whine about something than learn to deal with it or move on then yes, you're better off not playing against me. But don't worry, I'm not interested in playing against people like you either, so we're not likely to run into eachother.

 

[Twad]

Some games thrive on it, like Air Rivals (from what i have see)
Otherwise, its a cheap tactic.. you basically prevent the other player from playing in the first place... so where is the fun in that? No challenge for you, no fun for the other.

 

[Kurokami]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

Oh, but I do so hate the players, don't get me wrong I also hate the develepers but I don't see this as a legitimate strategy, you're saying its only bad players that can't get out? Its only bad players that can't keep their damn crossheirs fixed on a target that's unfortunate enough to have his back turned against you. I don't take particular offense against your point of view as this is the reason I often don't bother with FPS', because the aim isn't to play the game so much as it is to win it. By your logic if everyone had the ability to simply type kill in console and have it work it would be perfectly legitimate and instead of saying that its a stupid approach to the game we should call the developers and force them to have an epipheny instructing them to stop making shitty and generic games.

Also, I thought the maths reference was pretty simple.

endofhorriblerant

 

[weary]

some of the best times ive ever had in games is when i best a spawn camper... finnaly

 

[quiet_samurai]

some of the best times ive ever had in games is when i best a spawn camper... finnaly

Agreed. It's just hard not to join in the fun when your whole team is doing it. Peer pressure is a ************.

 

[ejb626]

I don't do it, I've actually never come across a tactical insertion before if I did I'd probaly spawn-camp the guy once then destroy it, to be nice because I'd know if I was in that situation I would get really pissed. I really hate it, I used to hate camping then I found that the only way to get kills in MW2 for the most part is camping, so I don't mind it but spawn camping is dispicable.

 

[omega_peaches]

IMO, it's for Noobs who need to learn2play

 

[Liberaliter]

Annoying, the game should have been designed better to avoid it.

 

[suhlEap]

i suffered that today. it does get annoying but it doesn't drive me mental or anything...

 

[MurderousToaster]

It's hilarious when it happens. And it's the complainers fault for not knowing how to get out of it.

Please refer to my thing on WoW. If, in my Arathi Basin situation, you are surrounded at your Spirit Healer by people of your level, you will die. It's a fact, not a variable, due to the statistical way RPGs work

In games like Modern Warfare, the only way you will get out of being spawncamped in a corner is if you have the reflexes of a ninja on crack and can pop off headshots on the six members of the enemy team without them being able to hit you.

 

[SimuLord]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

In short: Remind me never to play online with Mr. Panda Avatar here.

If you're the kind of sore loser who'd rather incessantly whine about something than learn to deal with it or move on then yes, you're better off not playing against me. But don't worry, I'm not interested in playing against people like you either, so we're not likely to run into eachother.

Are you familiar with the word "cheeser"? Because cheesers are 99% of the reason I don't play online.

 

[Ironsouled]

At least in FPS's, so long as your team (the campee's) aren't idiots its actually really hard to successfully spawn camp. I love sitting in my spawn zone with a sniper in my hand and dropping the noobs who think to get a leg up on the scoring, personally. If the game has been poorly designed to the point of spawn camping means instalose... Blame the maker.

I will however admit if your team is composed of idiots it can get annoying. Ex. I'm playing MW2 and all of my team is trying to get out of a spawn camp by sitting in the spawn and shooting out. Feeling like beating my head against the keyboard, I snipe a path clear and tell everyone to move before the people get back to our spawn. At which point the entire team tells me almost in unison that they know what they are doing and I should STFU. We lost about 45 seconds later.

Ideal situation: I snipe with the help of another person or to a path, then the close up people on our team run out the doorway we made and start happily shooting at people again.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

Oh, but I do so hate the players, don't get me wrong I also hate the develepers but I don't see this as a legitimate strategy, you're saying its only bad players that can't get out? Its only bad players that can't keep their damn crossheirs fixed on a target that's unfortunate enough to have his back turned against you. I don't take particular offense against your point of view as this is the reason I often don't bother with FPS', because the aim isn't to play the game so much as it is to win it. By your logic if everyone had the ability to simply type kill in console and have it work it would be perfectly legitimate and instead of saying that its a stupid approach to the game we should call the developers and force them to have an epipheny instructing them to stop making shitty and generic games.

Also, I thought the maths reference was pretty simple.

endofhorriblerant

Eh, it's not a horrible rant. I don't mind you having an opinion. I just disagree with you and, while I certainly see your point, I don't think it's an entirely valid one. If there was a game where typing "kill player" would let you win, you'd blame it on the players? Who were the ones who put the function in the game to begin with? I would never play such a horrible game, and I honestly don't see why anyone would.

Also, the reason I missed he reference is mostly because English isn't my native tongue, and while I'm reasonably proficient at conversational English, catchin math references in a foreign language is a bit above my level.

Anyway, to explain my point of view a bit better: For the sake of example, let's break the spawn camp 'abuse' situation down in two parts: One part is whether or not the tactic used is unbeatable, and the other is whether or not the player using the tactic is doing so because it's the only way he can win.

Situation one: The tactic is unbeatable, and using it is the only way the 'cheap' player can win.
In this situation, there's a clear flaw in the game's setup that allows one tactic to beat all other possible tactics. This is clearly the fault of the developer, since they allowed the game to get unbalanced. The player using the tactic is playing to win, but he isn't particularly skilled: If it wasn't for that one tactic, you'd be able to beat him. But if you really are able to beat him, why aren't you able to beat him at his own game? Apparently, he's just better than you, either because you simply suck or because you refuse to use a winning strategy. Either way, the developers are the bad guys and the 'cheap' player deserves the win for doing what is necessary to get that win. If you can't stomach the idea that one tactic beats all (and honestly, that's a perfectly normal thing: I wouldn't either), you simply shouldn't be playing such a shitty game.

Situation two: The tactic is unbeatable, and the 'cheap' player can win any way he wants to.
In this case, the player is simply better than you. Whether or not he uses the unbeatable tactic, he'll still beat you. The most likely reason he uses the tactic is either because he doesn't know you suck, or he just wants you prevent you from doing the same thing yourself and land him in the losing position of situation one. Again, the developers fucked up and the 'cheap' player deserves the win.

Situation three: The tactic is not unbeatable, but it's still the only way the 'cheap' player can win.
In this case, the fault is entirely yours. If the tactic can be beaten and the other player is worse than you when not using that tactic, then you should be wiping the floor with the scrub. If you keep getting killed over and over again by a player who's less skilled than you, you should either learn to beat his tactic, or start wondering whether you really are good enough to beat him normally.

Situation four: The tactic is not unbeatable, and the 'cheap' player can win any way he wants to.
In this case you're just fucked. It doesn't matter why the opponent chooses to use the 'cheap' tactic, because he'll beat you any way you play. In this situation there really isn't any fault to speak of, other than that you're just not skilled enough. And if you start whining because the other guy was simply better than you, you've really reached rock bottom, and probably shouldn't play online games anymore.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

There's nothing wrong with spawn camping.

There's a lot wrong with games where spawn camping is an unbeatable tactic, there's a lot wrong with players who can only win by spawn camping, and there's a lot wrong with players who simply suck too much at the game to overcome spawn camping. But there is nothing wrong with spawn camping itself.

You managed to state your answer but you have to show your working too.

Eh, what? You mean explain the reasoning behind my answer?

My reason is that spawn camping is a viable strategy, and that any rule against spawn camping is neither warranted nor enforcable. People who whine about spawn camping are usually just bad players who can't think of a way to beat the spawncamper. If there really is no way to beat spawncampers, you're just playing a badly designed game and should blame the developers, not the guy who uses a winning tactic.

In short: Hate the game, not the player.

In short: Remind me never to play online with Mr. Panda Avatar here.

If you're the kind of sore loser who'd rather incessantly whine about something than learn to deal with it or move on then yes, you're better off not playing against me. But don't worry, I'm not interested in playing against people like you either, so we're not likely to run into eachother.

Are you familiar with the word "cheeser"? Because cheesers are 99% of the reason I don't play online.

I'm familiar with the word as an excuse that scrubs use for being bad at a game.

Are you familiar with the word "scrub"? Because scrubs are 99% of the reason I don't play on public servers.