Your sight on revelation?

[Lilikins]

In this topic, no Im not speaking about 'the' revelation from the bible, but I just thought itd sorta fit for the topic at hand, nevertheless, let the show roll....

This has actually been something thats been on my mind for quite a bit now, Id just like to openly speak it out and see what you all think, seeing as Im highly doubting Im the only person whos ever...'thought of this' so to speak?

Everyday we see things in the news that displease us, easily. Things that shock us and let us think that..well we are 'above' that. Disagreeing with the government or other parts of political views. What Id personally like to know is, we have all seen it in shows/games often enough up to this point... a rebel rising to power, defying all laws etc etc. Not ensuring an anarchistic age but nevertheless ensuring an age in that own persons mind that would fit his or her own term freedom.

What I would like to know is... seeing that person usurping everything, would you join that person? or would you neglect it all.

Tis just an honest question in that matter^^ Id really like to see what people think. Thanks for your time.


Lili^^

 

[tippy2k2]

Well I'd probably have a question or two for this rebel defying everything and overthrowing the government (or whatever it is you're talking about).

It's real easy to tear everything down; it's another thing to be able to build it back up.

 

[Lilikins]

hmm, well in 'tearing it down' I mean in the social structure, or what each country has at the moment (hence the reason I thought itd be an interesting question seeing as each country has different 'build ups') taking that apart and personally rebuilding it.

Mind you its mostly a hypothetical question seeing as of course that person could 'easily' be consumed by power then, but nevertheless atleast in the revolt itself, if you would 'join' that person in defying the law and trying to fix things (if the fixings would fit to your own ideals )

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

It's easy to say that something is bad, or wrong, or corrupt, but it's much harder to find a plausible solution to fix it.

It's easy to say that the government uses it's funding poorly, or that politicians are idiots and that anyone could do better, but could YOU do better? Would you be willing to?

Complaining is easy, tearing things down is easy, rebuilding something and not only making it work, but making it better than it was takes a hell of a lot of work.

I don't think I'd follow any "rebel" trying to change things because those people don't understand the system that they're fighting against and don't actually know how things work or what effects different changes would have. They aren't realistic, they aren't pragmatic, and they aren't worth supporting.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Revolutionary movements that are carried out by an individual, or even a very small group of individuals, rarely go well.

So, generally speaking, no.

Off Topic: Revelation (The Bible Book) is, strangely enough, held to be canon by a surprisingly small portion of organized religion (Though its very popular with the individual it would seem). How a particular religion interprets it is actually an interesting gauge to consider.

 

[Fox12]

hmm, well in 'tearing it down' I mean in the social structure, or what each country has at the moment (hence the reason I thought itd be an interesting question seeing as each country has different 'build ups') taking that apart and personally rebuilding it.

Mind you its mostly a hypothetical question seeing as of course that person could 'easily' be consumed by power then, but nevertheless atleast in the revolt itself, if you would 'join' that person in defying the law and trying to fix things (if the fixings would fit to your own ideals )

I'm not sure its actually possible to answer that question.

It depends on the person and the reason. The French Revolution led to the Reign of Terror, and the Communist Revolution in China led to the cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward, which killed numerous civilians. The leaders of both had, no doubt, the best of intentions at the time. Which leads to the ultimate problem: the new leaders will inevitably set up a new form of government, and it likely that they could be just as bad, if not worse, then the former leaders. And if they're not, then the leaders after them could be. Then the process starts all over again. As a result I'm inherently skeptical of anyone whose presented as a "heroic" figure, as it can easily lead to a cult of personality. So, no, I would be immensely skeptical of any movement built too heavily around one individual. While violent revolutions are sometimes necessary, it's typically best to try and reform things from the inside, as opposed to forcing change through violence. I hate the current state of the American government, and I think its treasonous that its spying on both its citizens and foreign powers (ie, you, if you're not American). However, a second American revolution would not, likely, be the best solution, unless things became truly desperate.

If the situation was truly desperate, though, then yes, I would support a revolution. However, I don't care if the revolutionary leaders believe that they're doing the right thing for their definition of freedom, I care whether or not they support MY definition of freedom. I'd also need to know what kind of government they wanted to build. Believe it or not, governmental bureaucracy and a system of checks and balances are a good thing when it slows down law makers. Politicians hate it, which is a nice cherry on top. I hear people say that the Democrats and Republicans should stop bickering and get laws passed, but in general, this is almost never what you want. You want them fighting, so that fewer laws get passed, and change comes slowly. As a result the revolutionary leaders would have to forego their own power, and set up a strict system of checks and balances after the war was over. In fact, I'd argue it could stand to be even stricter then it is now.

I don't know if that actually answered your question or not, but that's my opinion on the matter.

 

[Nukekitten]

I'd need either to believe that the government we had at the moment was abnormally malign or that the revolutionary had a very good idea to back them over working to change the current system. Any fool can advocate for 'change.'