You obviously haven't read the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy. Proving God parodoxically disproves them, while disproving god will prove that they exist.AccursedTheory said:
your theory for the beginning of the world?
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I have not read Hitch hikers. Seems like the whole thing is a paradox engine, anyway.philosophicalbastard said:
I have my fair share of theories on the universe, i'd be happy to share but it'd take a lot of space.
I believe the universe is in an ultimate cycle of recycle which involves all matter in the universe transforming from all being in one point the size of an atom, (maybe smaller) and then expanding and retracting every thousand million billion years perhaps.
I recon the stages would be something as such;
-single point of infinate matter collapses on itself creating the big bang explosion.
-Universe expands and worlds and suns are created.
-black holes start to be created through supernovae.
-the black holes suck in all the mass around them becoming more and more dense and increasing their gravitational pull.
-The gravity gets so huge that all the blackholes throughout the universe start to gravitate towards each other.
-all matter gets dragged into a giant black hole consisting of everything.
-With nothing outside of it, the blackhole starts to collapse in on itself crushing it down to the size of an atom.
-Huge explosion and everything restarts.
Also i have this theory that black holes are like a window into the centre of the universe, with every black whole across the universe being in exactly the same position despite us percieving them as millions of lightyears appart. It's pretty damn hard to explain what i mean exactly, it's kinda one of those 'you have to think it up yourself to properly understand it' things.
I believe the universe is in an ultimate cycle of recycle which involves all matter in the universe transforming from all being in one point the size of an atom, (maybe smaller) and then expanding and retracting every thousand million billion years perhaps.
I recon the stages would be something as such;
-single point of infinate matter collapses on itself creating the big bang explosion.
-Universe expands and worlds and suns are created.
-black holes start to be created through supernovae.
-the black holes suck in all the mass around them becoming more and more dense and increasing their gravitational pull.
-The gravity gets so huge that all the blackholes throughout the universe start to gravitate towards each other.
-all matter gets dragged into a giant black hole consisting of everything.
-With nothing outside of it, the blackhole starts to collapse in on itself crushing it down to the size of an atom.
-Huge explosion and everything restarts.
Also i have this theory that black holes are like a window into the centre of the universe, with every black whole across the universe being in exactly the same position despite us percieving them as millions of lightyears appart. It's pretty damn hard to explain what i mean exactly, it's kinda one of those 'you have to think it up yourself to properly understand it' things.
What you don't seem to realize is that the notion of "evidence" changes from culture to culture. That said, there can't be an actual line separating 'evident' beliefs from 'non-sensical' ones; which makes every fact a dogma, and Science nothing more than a rational doctrine.Arluza said:
If your ideia that Science is Humanity's journey to complete omniscience is flawed, so is your belief that through it (Science) we could to determine the origin of all things.
NO NO NO! You are wrong. Evidence is clearly defined as "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid" by Oxford dictionary. and Evidence must be DEMONSTRATED to be true. it is not true because someone says "this is true"; you must SHOW how your evidence is true. If a culture is not using a definition similar to the definition above, then what they claim, as evidence is NOT evidence. Science does not allow any form of DOGMA. that is a religious thing.9Darksoul6 said:
Science is "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment" (Oxford Dictionary). Do you understand now? Science is self correcting. If science discovers a fact to be false TOMORROW, then scientists will stop referring to it as a fact in whatever area that fact was disproved.
You do not get to simply toss out stupid ideas as fact. It doesn't work that way, and people like me who care about what is actually true will stop you and correct you.
I'd imagine that the true beginning of the Universe would be unobservable, since observation is a subset of the universe.
Also, there is nothing that suggests that the Big Bang was in fact the beginning of the Universe, just the beginning of things as we know them now.
Also, there is nothing that suggests that the Big Bang was in fact the beginning of the Universe, just the beginning of things as we know them now.
It's not so much that I specifically believe the Bible as much as it is that I believe in God. I do believe that prophets created the Bible by specific inspiration from God, but I do not believe in the infallibility of the Bible.Arluza said:
The specific bit, the most important bit of information, is that I believe in God and that God created the universe. I can explain why I believe in God, but that's much longer.
and why do you believe in your god? that is the question I'm asking in reality. We (meaning in this case, humans in general) have already disproved the Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 creation stories. The order in which things are created in either order is wrong.Lazier Than Thou said:
Everybody knows; Me and Raptor Jesus got into a fucking insane brawl. But thats not what created earth, no. Our fight created epicness and bad-assery (neither existed before our little scuffle). The blood, sweat and tears created earth and the rest of the planets. There is also some speculation some random guy farted when earth was created.
And when we tried killing each other in a duel (with fucking chainsaws) the next day but we accentually combined the two elements (epicness and bad-assery) and created the most powerful alloy of all: awesomeness.
For all of you that are interested, I won. Thats why Jesus only got to be God's son and I got to be the FUCKING GOD OF AWESOMENESS. Also known as the God of Bacon and Sex. Same idea. Thats why there are stars in the sky son.
Jesus created chainsaws. I showed the world how to use them.
And when we tried killing each other in a duel (with fucking chainsaws) the next day but we accentually combined the two elements (epicness and bad-assery) and created the most powerful alloy of all: awesomeness.
For all of you that are interested, I won. Thats why Jesus only got to be God's son and I got to be the FUCKING GOD OF AWESOMENESS. Also known as the God of Bacon and Sex. Same idea. Thats why there are stars in the sky son.
Jesus created chainsaws. I showed the world how to use them.
Genesis was written by Moses. Moses lived(according to some Bible Historians) around 2500 years after Adam and Eve. He got it wrong? Oh shock and woe is me!Arluza said:
Again, I don't care about the infallibility of the Bible. I'm not a person that gets upset by the trivialities of how God created the earth. The history of the Bible is of no concern to me, it's the guiding principals that matter. The ideas contained within something as simple as "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" and "eye for an eye." The physics behind how God created the heavens and the earth don't matter so much as that He did.
So why do I believe in God? I did the only rational thing a person can do. I asked God if God existed. He informed me in a way in which I understood.
I'm confused, the thread title asks for my theory on the beginning of the "world," but almost everyone has mentioned the big bang, which is a theory about the beginning of the "universe"...
In answering the thread titles question, I need only restate what some clever bloke said earlier about dust and gravity and "shit getting real."
So far as the creation of the universe is concerned, I have a theory based on some quantum psychics malarkey I read once. You how there is a Big Bang theory for the creation of the universe and a Big Collapse theory for the destruction of the universe? Well, there is a new popular theory that the universe will end by stretching out so far that its constituent parts will be too tiny to be considered matter, and it will simply cease to be. The "Big Dissipation" if you will. I've been nursing this idea that that's how the universe also began, with endless void contracting to a point that it was packed so tightly it became matter.
An extremely simplified description, but I think it's worth a vague ponder.
Alternatively, I could say that was Sackboy.
In answering the thread titles question, I need only restate what some clever bloke said earlier about dust and gravity and "shit getting real."
So far as the creation of the universe is concerned, I have a theory based on some quantum psychics malarkey I read once. You how there is a Big Bang theory for the creation of the universe and a Big Collapse theory for the destruction of the universe? Well, there is a new popular theory that the universe will end by stretching out so far that its constituent parts will be too tiny to be considered matter, and it will simply cease to be. The "Big Dissipation" if you will. I've been nursing this idea that that's how the universe also began, with endless void contracting to a point that it was packed so tightly it became matter.
An extremely simplified description, but I think it's worth a vague ponder.
Alternatively, I could say that was Sackboy.
You avoided the question. I asked why, and you told me "cause I heard a voice in my head tell me so." Either;Lazier Than Thou said:
1. You need to seek medical help for that problem.
2. Your god has decided that he/she/it hates most people because most people don't get a visit from the voice in their heads.
3. You are making lots of money from saying you speak with your god, and you will not suffer not having the money.
Evidence points to either 1 or 3. Though I'd wager that you are belonging to the first category being the group you belong to, if only because I doubt a pastor of a mega church would be on The Escapist.
However, if you really did get a visit from a god, you should report it to your local university because you would not only make them Nobel prize winners, but you'd get the benefits of making EVERYONE in the world who is rational to convert to your branch of Christianity (of which there are over 31000 denominations now.) And you would also be given a fair bit of money for helping prove your god.
I just asked that god show himself to me, and nothing happened. and before you say "you just weren't trying hard enough" well, I tried as hard as I could. nope. Had my roommate try as well, nothing happened that we could report as a god. However, the clock did go forward a minute. guess we tried for a minute.
I'm gonna take a crack at religion here, please don't be offended, but any explanation that religion whipped up is better explained by science whether it's something proven or unproven.
We are sure that the Big Bang happened, we can still observe the remnants of it, but we're just not sure how it happened.
One thing that bugs me though is some religious people countering science by saying "how could the big bang have happened from nothing", but however you put it, matter appearing out of nowhere is more feasible than intelligence appearing out of nowhere.
The foundation of science is that we do not know everything, experiments and such are done to expand our knowledge. I just hate to see people impede this quest for knowledge by jumping to conclusions - just because science hasn't figured something out yet doesn't make "god did it" a valid explanation.
We are sure that the Big Bang happened, we can still observe the remnants of it, but we're just not sure how it happened.
One thing that bugs me though is some religious people countering science by saying "how could the big bang have happened from nothing", but however you put it, matter appearing out of nowhere is more feasible than intelligence appearing out of nowhere.
The foundation of science is that we do not know everything, experiments and such are done to expand our knowledge. I just hate to see people impede this quest for knowledge by jumping to conclusions - just because science hasn't figured something out yet doesn't make "god did it" a valid explanation.
Nope, but nice try.Arluza said:
God didn't speak to me. He informed me in a way I understood. I didn't ask God to show Himself to me. I asked if He was there. I did not see God, I did not hear God. I was informed of God. I made no demand, I asked, having thought and studied and considered for many, many years before I asked. I got out what I put in and not all in one night. I asked one night and received my answer around 8 months later.
I cannot judge your heart, so I will not tell you what you did wrong or even if you did anything wrong. Your answer is for you, not me, and I not only will I not be your final judge, it is not my job to lead a horse to water or force it to drink.
I am not a pastor and even if I were I would get absolutely no money for my testimony. In my church, "preachers" are not rewarded monetarily, which happens to be one of the reasons I belong to my church. I don't want or expect money for my belief. My belief is for me, not my bank account.
Furthermore, I do not believe there has been or ever will be true definitive, provable, 100% factual, obvious, or any other specific form of evidence that there is a God. God, if He exists, does so in a manner in which it is up to the individual to decide for themselves if He exists. God must, by provable and observable fact, exist in a way that leaves no proof, thereby leaving faith as a matter of choice, not force.
The God I believe in and worship is a God primarily, specifically, and emphatically of freedom. The most important thing to my God is not His own aggrandizement or self importance. The most important thing to my God is the ability of His children to choose for themselves as individuals their own personal belief or disbelief in Him. This means there cannot be "proof" of God and will not be "proof" of God. Belief in God is for you to choose, not for God to thrust upon you. My God will never force you to do anything you don't want to do, but will recognize the consequences of your actions.
Freedom, sir, is my guiding principal.
Then I ask again why you brought up the bible because you clearly are not referring to the god of the bible. and since you can't demonstrate your god's existence to others I do hope you have no rational thought that anyone else will accept your claim.Lazier Than Thou said: