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Blemontea

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Seems like you have been put in a bad spotlight here my friend as for what you should do I'll leave that to you, but for who is right in this situation I would say you are becuase if your friends are bragging about being drunk it's becuase they want to feel older and that's what they think older people do when that's not true.... Sometimes... But what I'm getting at is that I think you are the more mature one hear for knowing who you are what you want to do and not bragging about illegal habits.
 

molester jester

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If you don't want to drink don't drink, Its that simple, don't get all high and mighty with your friends and start insulting the lifestyle they choose to lead.
 

Insomniac55

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Do what you will. If they want to drink, it's fine. It may be pointless, immature, and potentially damaging... But it's their bodies and trying to pursuade them into taking your line of thinking isn't going to work. If they start critisizing you for not drinking however, ditch them and find some decent people to hang around with.

My thoughts on drinking? I'm underage by a couple of months, and only got properly drunk mid-last year. So, by the standards of most (at least in my alcohol-saturated town), I started fairly late. I don't drink regularly, but when I do go out I usually will have a bit. Not enough to be falling over (never thrown up from alcohol), but (usually) enough to be a bit impaired. It can be fun, so long as it's a good party as well. Alcohol at a shit party doesn't do much to make it better.

If you don't feel you need to drink, by all means don't. It's your choice and no-one else's to make.
 

Veloxe

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I love alcohol, specifically because I don't drink. I don't necessarily have anything against drinking but my video gaming vice means I don't spend much on my other vices. Plus being the one sober guy in the group means I've got tons of leverage on people for shit they did when they were plastered that they would rather not have certain people know.
 

InnerRebellion

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Can I interest yeh in a pint?

Oh shit, playing WoW as a Dwarf waaaaaaaaay too much.

I'm fine with alcohol, but I have one problem. My friend, who we will call Sunshine, is diabetic. She's been told numerous times by her doctor that if she drinks, it will fucking kill her. Yet, the stupid ***** insists on drinking vodka to impress her new pot smoking, alcoholic of a friend. Keep in mind, Sunshine only turned 14 less than 6 months ago.
 

flamingjimmy

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You are definitely missing out imo.

Obviously you're right to an extent. But its very easy to overdo the whole 'just be yourself' thing. It's fun to get wasted and act totally different to how you normally would.
 

Roxor

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I don't think the side-effects of alcohol are worth it. For just 50mL of wine (which is about 10% alcohol), you have to drink about two litres of water to avoid feeling like crap six hours later.

Way too much trouble. I'm sticking with the stuff which has had the alcohol removed.
 

WingedFortress

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I want to stand up on a pedestal, and tell all the damn kid's to stop drinking because it will scramble their fragile little brains and leave them to hopelessly rot in some skid row motels bathtub. But that would also be like, crazy hypocritical.

Fact is, some people are going to be really stupid about drugs and alcohol their entire lives. It's a personality thing, and this poster thinks its unavoidable in most cases. I frankly like to drink. I chalk most of that up just to where I'm living. Here in Winnipeg, we've got a 6 sometimes 7 month winter on bad years...and the only warm place open past 11 is either a dance club, or the pub.

If your under 18(or 21) though, and drinking is something that is bothering you, and you don't know what to think/do about it, I'd suggest just cooling it for a bit. You *Don't* need to drink just because your friends do. And just because you don't drink doesnt mean you can't go to parties. Be social, mingle - it's actually way easier than you'd think it is. And fun! Just don't stress too hard - all this shit will seem waaaay less serious when you've got that i.d card.

Alright...enough rambling.
 

Plurralbles

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Your friends are stupid for not using moderation.

You are stupid for asking who's right or wrong. You are not right. They are not right. It's just stupid shit. If you don't like them fo rit, move on.
 

Housebroken Lunatic

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So, I would like to hear your thoughts about this and maybe some advice about what I should Do about it.
Well, first of all I'd recommend waiting until you're legally allowed to drink as well as putting on a show about it for your parents. If you're parents can see that you act more mature and responsible and respect the law by not drinking until you have a legal right to do so, they'll probably trust you to do tons of other things that they normally would've forbidden a child of theirs to do.

That said, looking down upon your friends for drinking and having fun doing it isn't gonna help you keep them as friends. So unless you have the intention of replacing them with a group of friends who idolize soberiety, then I suggest you change your attitude a little, and also come to terms with the fact that drinking is a social activity, and it's not all about being wasted and passed-out on a floor somewhere (if/when that happens the social aspect is usually over by then).

Drinking alcoholic beverages is in a lot of cultures a form of rite of passage, and I would agree that it is way too early to start getting shitfaced at the age of 15 (legal drinkingage where I live is 18, but for some reason that only applies in clubs and bars. If you wish to actually buy alcohol for yourself you have to be 21), putting it down altogether and go ranting about your health will most likely alienate you from your friends.

Yes, you can be as individualistic as you like, but doing it at the expense of your friendship by basically saying that you consider their social activities to be completely idiotic and that you don't want to have any part in them will probably not serve to let you keep them as friends for much longer.

So my suggestion would be to wait, but not adapting a more moderate attitude towards it. I.e don't look down upon your friends for doing it, but tag along and have some fun while you and them make asses of yourselves. But if you really want to wait for the legal age before you drink, be polite when you turn down alcohol offered to you (blame your parents or something for being extremely strict or whatever).

But this is all of course if you wish to keep them as friends. If your intention is to switch them for other more sober people, then that's your choice. Im just giving a recommendation as to the best way of acting in relation to the situation you're in...
 

awesomeClaw

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Personally, i have no problem with alcohol. If you want to get shit-faced and puke on the carpet, be my guest. But could you please refrain from doing it while i´m with you? I´m fine with you taking maybe a sip of beer, but PLEASE don´t get drunk when i´m there. Please?

Because i´ve seen how annoying people can get when they´re drunk, i´ve taken on the promise to never drink an alcoholic beverage in my life, even in moderate amounts. Call me a prude, but that´s just my opinion.
 

Hiikuro

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I am very tempted to write a lot about this, but I'll try restrain myself for simplicity. I've also written about this topic a few times before.

First of all, I didn't try the stuff before about a month before I became 21 (legal drinking age 18 here). From then I've tried it a few times in different settings and amounts, just to see what it was all about. With no intention of exploring it any further.

If I may speak from my overall personal experience, it is not enjoyable.

Higher doses (or: getting drunk. In my case it was hitting an estimated BAC just shy of 0.1%) I just find severely undesirable and want it to go away. It noticeably reduces my ability to feel and sensate the world around me, and I lose a lot of my ability to think, something I really don't like. Not to mention the unpleasant after-effects. So, I don't find it fun nor enjoyable.

For lower doses (or: in moderation) it is understandable why people like it, as it reduces feelings of anxiety and inhibitions (though I don't notice this), as well as reduce minor uncomfortable feelings (aches and such) that are present in the body. But it still seems to "empty my mind", making the world around me be a lot more boring. I personally don't like this either.

There is a few more reasons I don't drink, though I won't go into them here.

My overall conclusion is, if you don't want to drink, then you shouldn't. You gain little, if anything, from it. If you want to drink, it is very reasonable to wait until the legal age, or possibly longer. I'm not exactly sure when our neural system is fully developed, but it seems to be very reasonable to stay away from psychoactive drugs until this age, to avoid doing permanent damage to it.

Younger people don't usually know what the effects of alcohol is, and as such they 'make stuff up'. The problem is that alcohol has the effect of seemingly realize what they think will happen, a kind of placebo-potentiator if you will.

When I was in high school I was frequently pestered to drink, but I always refused. People didn't mind that I abstained at all, and I didn't care that they drank at all. I simply told them that I was not interested, and didn't see the point in doing it. However, I've always been in moderate-drinker circles, and I assume that if I had more alcohol-loving friends I'd be much more pressured. Maybe you've ended up with an incompatible set of friends?

I actually think you're sort of right. They seem to think that drinking is mature and whatnot, but I would rather make the argument that the opposite is true. Though, arguing about immaturity with someone who is immature never works.

I think your attitude towards them seem grounded more in emotion than in reason. I can't speak for the deeper causes of this, but I suggest reflecting on exactly why they behave as they do, and why you respond to this in the way you do.

That is my half-garble of thoughts, only partially answering the original post, and a few lines longer than I wanted to make this (yet I've avoided talking about a lot of things). But drugs is a topic that interests me, and I've read a lot about them over the years. A lot of things I wish I could unlearn for my own sanity. I want to make no assumption of correctness here though.
 

Roxor

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Spot1990 said:
Roxor said:
I don't think the side-effects of alcohol are worth it. For just 50mL of wine (which is about 10% alcohol), you have to drink about two litres of water to avoid feeling like crap six hours later.

Way too much trouble. I'm sticking with the stuff which has had the alcohol removed.
Ok that's just not true unless you have no tolerance. And I don't mean "lol you're a lightweight" I mean if you get sick after 50ml (about two spoonfuls of wine) you should seriously go to a doctor, your liver is broken. Unless you meant 500mls, in which case yeah, half a litre of wine can leave you pretty messed up. But that has to do with more than just the alcohol content. It's more acidic and harder to break down than beer. If you consume the same amount of alcohol through, say, two or three pints of beer, yeah you shouldn't drive, but no you will not wake up feeling like crap. Again unless your body actually has trouble processing alcohol.
That was not a typo. I actually went and measured how much that fraction of the glass was afterwards. Turns out it was 50mL. Oh, and a tablespoon is 5mL, by the way, not 25.

I think you're probably right about my system not being able to process alcohol very well. I've known for a long time that I'm pretty sensitive to caffeine. That's "pretty sensitive" as in a can of cola in the afternoon will keep me up most of the night.
 

Astoria

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Hmm, tricky situation. Do you have another group of friends who don't drink? If so, I'd start hanging out just with them from now on unless you think you're too close to these friends to stop talking to them.

While I may drink I don't go out every weekend and get wasted unlike some friends I have and I know how you feel. The only real advice I can give you is don't drink if you don't want to no matter how much people pressure you to. It's your choice not there's and you're just being responsible which is something you should be proud of.
 

supermariner

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i don't think you can knock it until you've tried it OP
drinking obviously seems unenjoyable from the outside
you need to experience what they experience to understand it
but to join them at least once to make your mind up and it'll all make sense
if you still disapprove then thats fine
but trying is knowing
 

beniki

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Alcohol is social lubricant. It makes men brave and women easy.

However, you're 15. Don't do it.

And it may sound weird, but your parents would be happier if you got drunk around them first. So they know you're safe when you first try it out.

I knew a friend whose Dad introduced him to weed, just so he could teach his son how it would affect him. Let him smoke a little bit, had a nice chat to wait for the effects to take place.

Then he sat him down comfortably. Hands on his son's shoulders the Dad looked into his eyes, with a very serious expression.

"Son," he said, his voice grave and calm, "Willy."

And then turned away as my friend started giggling uncontrollably, and left him there for an hour.

Now isn't that a better story than agreeing with your friends about how wasted you were?
 

Azrael the Cat

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The web isn't the best place for this kind of discussion, the main reason being that different cultures treat alcohol very very differently. Much of Europe doesn't have a minimum drinking age, yet they tend to have less binge-drinking than the US. In Australia 18 is the legal age for being on a licenced premises, but it's pretty much accepted that you'll be drinking from your mid-teens.

Personally, I think the countries that don't have a legal age limit have the most sensible attitudes, and the statistics on alcohol-related injuries across nations backs me up on that one. But you can't just take that and apply it to a different culture - people seem to grow up more slowly in the US, and at 21 you guys seem to act when drunk like we do at 17-18.

Also, the US has some seriously puritan attitudes towards alcohol, and people will react differently there than other countries. You can be a complete non-drinker in the US without people getting wierded out by it, or it affecting your career. In Australia, I find being someone who rarely drinks to be a constant problem with work (I'm a lawyer, my wife is an engineer). At the firms I've worked at, there's a LOT of top-down pressure to go drinking after work, especially on a Friday - to the point where being a non-drinker will seriously hamper promotion prospects.

On the job interview boards I've sat on, I've repeatedly noticed that one of the main things my colleagues look for when hiring graduates is whether they'll 'fun to work with', which means 'will he/she come drinking with us on Fridays until 4am'. I've always tried to discourage that, but it's so common that people don't seem to see what's wrong with it (note: the public service over here is an exception, it wasn't like that when I worked for Legal Aid, just at private firms).

Now you can see why in that kind of culture, being a non-drinker isn't necessarily a good thing - not that I'd advice starting at 15, but most normally socialised teenagers here would be drinking by 17 at the latest. Again, I don't necessarily think that's healthy - I'm just stating the facts as they are. In Australia, non-drinkers on average earn around $8,000-10,000 less per year than ALCOHOLICS (!!!), and a whopping $15,000 per year (less for women, more for men) less than moderate drinkers. Social inclusion affects career success - I hate that that's the case (I'm someone who would greatly prefer to go straight home after work, and if I'm going to go drinking, to do so with my actual friends rather than work colleagues), but it's just the way things are.

From what I gather, the US has a more conservative attitude to alcohol, so you can't really take that and apply it to wherever you are. So I'm not saying 'read this, and go drink' - I'm saying that you need to talk about it with people from your own culture, not on the global internet.

Fact is, whether we like it or not, we're all products of our respective cultures. You can't go out and expect to be able to drink at 15 because the French kids are doing it, when you've spent your whole life in a country where people don't drink until 18-21.

Personally, I'd say do what you're comfortable doing and no more. Don't get uppity at the kids doing the things that you aren't, or you'll just end up very very disappointed. Frankly, individual sensibility has a miniscule effect on where you end up compared to parental wealth and education opportunities - there's plenty of teenage junkies who end up in law firms, and plenty of well-behaved kids who spent their whole life working hard only to end up still working hard in a low-paid job. I was a rabble-rouser as a kid - did all the drugs, all the partying, and I'm in great shape with a great income, a great marriage and never had any addictions. If lived the same life but came from a working class background, would I still have done as well? Of course not! Some folks will do everything they can to risk their good fortune for a night of fun, and get away with it - so don't base your decisions on the certainty that you'll end up better off than the kids that do the wrong thing (on the other hand, studying hard will always serve you well - even if you don't get a better income from it, you'll always appreciate having the knowledge, and more importantly the mental skills, you get from it).

Do what you feel comfortable with, and from what you've said you're already decided that you don't want to drink. So don't. Just don't wait for the world to reward you for it beyond the satisfaction of living the life you want to lead. The world just isn't that fair.
 

Mrpersonface

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It seems to me that youve been presented with an opportunity here. If you hang around with them while theyre drinking and do not drink yourself they might mock you at first but there is a lot to be said for being the only one to accurately remember the evening and if they are as bad as you make it seem then bring a cameraphone wait till they are good and liquored up and suggest a few activities.