Your thoughts on Napoleon fhe First

[rokkolpo]

know why?

Cos Britaaaaniiia ruuullle the waaaaves!

Least we did till we Ebayed the Ark Royal.

You are completely correct, Britain where the best when it came to naval warfare at the time, in fact the only ones who came close where the Danes, who where beaten during "Slaget på Reden" by Admiral Horatio Nelson. Who actually commented that the Danes had shown more battle spirit than any others he had ever fought in all of his sea-battles, by that a small victory was won by the Danes although we lost the battle itself.

you forget the dutch
The english crapped their pants when the dutch came round
Might have something to do with the time the dutch sailed in burned chatham to the ground and took the HMS royal charles with them just to scrap it
Or that time the dutch sailed in landed some few thousand men marched on london and put their I believe it was Willem 3 on the throne

Which by the way still leads to a dutch claim to the english throne somewhere if dozens of heirs suddenly died right now

My point being The dutch ruled the waves Brittain should accept that and not go be a proud bunch of nobs cause they beat the french
Neither should the french be proud because most of their naval victories were only achieved by calling in auxiliary dutch captains

Edit : Oh and we should also account that the Dutch east indian company Controlled the indies and the Dutch West Indian company was the primary player in the slave trade and buccaneering trade
You know kicking the spanish in the gut by stealing their treasure fleets and knocking off british ships before the cape left and right

To be fair, from one dutchman to another.
In the four dutch-english wars. The British did finally annihilate use by the fourth.
Even though we gave them hell for some century's before that.

Afterwards we also got raped by the French. >_>
(Fucking French!)

Dutch Seamanship and Naval power however allways was a fear for the british

To quote a captain "I'd rather sail the tide and fight battle through battle with the french than take one clean sail on the surf and face the dutch"

People gravely mistake how strong of a force the dutch have been in history
and by all acounts friend I'm Irish so that argument doesnt quite add up for me

Go down french and british naval records and you'll fight many a dutch name amongst the sailors captains and ships

The dutch fleet you are notioning here that was overpowered by the british in the 4th war
was a greatly decomissioned navy since political prowess has never been a strong feat in the dutch republic

It's a shame but it's true if the dutch would have been able to focus political power the world might have looked so much different these days

I will look more into this now, and it's good to know that someone in Ireland is interested in Dutch history.
*thumbs up* for that. I hardly ever hear someone mentioning the Dutch.

 

[EllEzDee]

know why?

Cos Britaaaaniiia ruuullle the waaaaves!

Least we did till we Ebayed the Ark Royal.

You are completely correct, Britain where the best when it came to naval warfare at the time, in fact the only ones who came close where the Danes, who where beaten during "Slaget på Reden" by Admiral Horatio Nelson. Who actually commented that the Danes had shown more battle spirit than any others he had ever fought in all of his sea-battles, by that a small victory was won by the Danes although we lost the battle itself.

you forget the dutch
The english crapped their pants when the dutch came round
Might have something to do with the time the dutch sailed in burned chatham to the ground and took the HMS royal charles with them just to scrap it
Or that time the dutch sailed in landed some few thousand men marched on london and put their I believe it was Willem 3 on the throne

Which by the way still leads to a dutch claim to the english throne somewhere if dozens of heirs suddenly died right now

My point being The dutch ruled the waves Brittain should accept that and not go be a proud bunch of nobs cause they beat the french
Neither should the french be proud because most of their naval victories were only achieved by calling in auxiliary dutch captains

Edit : Oh and we should also account that the Dutch east indian company Controlled the indies and the Dutch West Indian company was the primary player in the slave trade and buccaneering trade
You know kicking the spanish in the gut by stealing their treasure fleets and knocking off british ships before the cape left and right

Why do the Irish harbour such hatred for Britain?

 

[EllEzDee]

know why?

Cos Britaaaaniiia ruuullle the waaaaves!

Least we did till we Ebayed the Ark Royal.

You are completely correct, Britain where the best when it came to naval warfare at the time, in fact the only ones who came close where the Danes, who where beaten during "Slaget på Reden" by Admiral Horatio Nelson. Who actually commented that the Danes had shown more battle spirit than any others he had ever fought in all of his sea-battles, by that a small victory was won by the Danes although we lost the battle itself.

you forget the dutch
The english crapped their pants when the dutch came round
Might have something to do with the time the dutch sailed in burned chatham to the ground and took the HMS royal charles with them just to scrap it
Or that time the dutch sailed in landed some few thousand men marched on london and put their I believe it was Willem 3 on the throne

Which by the way still leads to a dutch claim to the english throne somewhere if dozens of heirs suddenly died right now

My point being The dutch ruled the waves Brittain should accept that and not go be a proud bunch of nobs cause they beat the french
Neither should the french be proud because most of their naval victories were only achieved by calling in auxiliary dutch captains

Edit : Oh and we should also account that the Dutch east indian company Controlled the indies and the Dutch West Indian company was the primary player in the slave trade and buccaneering trade
You know kicking the spanish in the gut by stealing their treasure fleets and knocking off british ships before the cape left and right

Why are the Irish harbour such hatred for Britain?

You actually dare ask that?

Really?

Look I've derailed this thread far enough I can give you an account of why we hate the british based on Iconic events in history and so on if you message me

You know things like using us as slaves going into our houses raping our women and killing our sons and dubbing us terrorists for wanting to be free etc

So let me get this straight: you hate Britain because hundreds of years ago your country was their *****? Talk about twisted panties.
Either way, you might want to get your facts straight. It's mostly the kind of hate filled nonsense i'd expect from an idiot. Here's a tip: Google first to make sure you're not completely and utterly wrong.

 

[A Username Not In Use]

Britain ruling the wave was due to in part of the Frence killing most of their seniore naval officers during the Terror and not replacing them. They also left themselves in a weaker position by not replacing ships crews with experianced seamen most oftern pressed into service from merchant services. On they otherhand they avoided war with America by doing that. We stopped ruling the seas when we were forced to abandon the two power standard as part of the Washington Naval Treaty.

 

[Lilani]

I hear he had a short temper, but I don't think we should be so quick to cut him off at the knees.

 

[Mastermax009]

He' be perfect if he wasnt so damn squat and ugly, but starting a coup during turbulent times and seizing the role of emperor doesnt hurt, esppecially ballsy since they just killed off anybody having to do with monarchy.

I feel the need to correct you in this matter.
Napoleon did not seize the role of emperor, he and one of his brothers Lucien and a great deal of others, including future king of Neapel Joachim Murat, overthrew the french government, which had begun to defy the laws which had been granted to all after the revolution. After the coup the choice of who was to be First Consul was left the the french people, Napoleon won, although it was close, 3 million voting for Napoleon and 1562 not doing so.
In the years following Napoleons election France saw better days than they had during the the reign of the royalty. The price of bread dropped lower than ever, the legal code was revised and the army was in tip top shape.
So naturally people wanted this to continue more than 3 years (the maximum amount of time one was allowed to be First Consul) so people voted Napoleon Consul for life. But when relations with Britain began getting worse, a problem appeared, the First Consul was not allowed to lead an army, and so Napoleon was crowned emperor, i say crowned because the sentence "Napoleon crowned himself emperor" is a mere technicality. You see he did crown himself, in the sense that he himself put the crown on his own head, rather than the pope. Napoleon did this to show that this was not just a new king with a fancier sounding title, but a man who would take things into his own hands, rather than let other people do things for him. So you see Napoleons election to emperor was actually just a technicality, he didn't gain any power that he didn't already have, he only gained a fancier title.

.......zzzzzzz. Wow, never thought I could care less. You with a wall of text basically said what I said in one sentence, he still seized power even if they wanted him but thanks for "correcting" because I do so love being stupidly corrected.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong but, I would think that there is a world of difference from seizing a position of power to being elected to it. Following your logic George Washington also seized power in America. Although he himself was, as Napoleon, elected to the position.
I personally think you should try reading what we both wrote again and, if needed, find a dictionary and look up the words you seem to have mixed together.
Furthermore why are you even here if you "could care less"?
I'd say you should be happy for a bit of historic info, I certainly am.
By the way, I looked it up, and have found that I did indeed overlook the dutch when it came to naval-warfare, I do dearly apologize.