Your views on Death.

[The Jackyl]

Anyways I don't think humans can comphrehend death, Since we humans want to live we can not bare to think of not existing.

sounds about right

 

[ragamuffingirl]

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Eh, it doesn't make sense for it to "end" at death. The only reason we think it ends is that we can't see beyond that point. Exactly how we thought the world "ended".

I'm glad that someone else thinks that it just doesn't make sense to end at death.

Lol? You two made me lawl.. Seeing as how millions of people have that same view, due to a little thing called "religion".

People not being able to accept that this is all there is to life has been one of the main driving forces behind the growth of religions for thousands of years.

a lot of people today in fact most people that i know and almost everyone i have spoken to on the internet doesn't believe in life after death due to a little thing called "atheism". but my response to the comment wasn't about religion it was about a gut feeling that death seems unnatural or wrong not that it doesn't happen or isn't the end. the majority of people religious people included except death as a natural inevitability or do you think that anyone other than the Scientologists think that their never going to die? maybe im not as smart as you think you are, but i'm not an idiot, i am able to except death as being the end, but then i am also "open minded" enough to understand that life after death is also possibility. we dont know what happens to consciousness when we die, and science still cant explain absolutely where human consciousness even resides. nevertheless im glad that my utter foolishness gave you a laugh.

I agree that on the Internet, the ratio of Atheistic people to Religious people is pretty close. But population wise, the last census done in the US showed Atheism as only being just above 20%. Which is still nice, since it's increased with ever poll over the decades.

Of course death feels wrong, I wasn't refuting that. I was replying to your comment about death not being the end. And I don't know where you get this idea that religious people don't believe in life after death, since that's pretty much the main driving force behind the whole freaking thing.

And science can explain consciousness pretty well actually, you just need to go out and search for the information, because it is very complicated and isn't usually something you pick up from forum discussions. Consciousness is mainly a function a brain develops from being aware of it's own existence. Some primates have shown behavior akin to consciousness, such as premeditated planning. Sure, our understanding of consciousness isn't 100%, but were getting pretty close as our technology advances and our understanding of brain mechanics increases.

Death truly is wrong, it's a genetic flaw that varies in severity from creature to creature.
Scientist's are working hard to find a way to fix our genetic self repair & protection systems so that we can live forever. It's truly very sound science, and in most likelihood should bring great developments within the next 2 decades. If your young like me, you very well could live long enough to receive treatments that would allow you to live on healthy for ages to come.

Ohh, and it doesn't mean I'm not "open minded" just because I don't believe in life after death. I'm merely rational. Yes, there very well could be life after death! But the chance of that being true is so small that it's like 1 in a bagillion. I could make up some other crap about things after death, like for instance:
"Oh, did you know that flying unicorns come down and greet you when you die, giving you a tour of the galaxy and then granting you 10 wishes for use in the afterlife?"

I have no proof of this, just like there's no proof of an after life. But does that mean I can disprove it? NO! But that doesn't make it a logical choice.

\

firstly i never said that religious people don't believe in life after death. and sure its a leap of faith to believe that there is life after death but to be an atheist is to take a leap of faith as well, for instance where did all the matter in the universe come from? spontaneous generation? I'm sure your answer will be that matter can not be created or destroyed but then your not really starting at zero, at the beginning then are you. and with guerrillas and dolphins which im sick of hearing about by the way we can talk about them whenever they start building rockets and planes. isnt it curious that although ever species on the planet had equal opportunity to advance or evolve to are level of cognition we are the only ones? also everyone quotes the mighty sciences like there not all going to change in a few hundred years anyway. think about it every few hundred years we find that everything we new about the world was wrong. and i cant believe your going to try to tell me that we cant cure male pattern baldness but we can fully understand something as intangible as human conscientiousness. even are ideas of something as fundamental as gravity we find is wrong. we can see that celestial body's moving outward from the galaxy are not slowing down like they should be according to gravity but in fact speeding up and i could go on and on. sorry im not trying to be a dick but im just so sick of people on the internet acting like there fucking Bill Nye the science guy. i don't care if anyone wants to be an atheist it just pisses me off when they tell me my chooses are illogical, its insulting and pretentious.

Atheism isn't a leap of faith, because there is no faith involved. What we don't know the answer too, we have to say we don't know, and merely create theories, then do testing until said theories can be proven or disproven. I don't know where all the matter/energy came from, we may never know for sure. For now all we can do is guess. That question applies to science and religion, because where did a God come from? And if God was "eternal", then why can that same argument not be used to merely say energy is eternal. Sounds a lot more logical for the energy to be eternal, then a somehow all knowing intelligent God who can do anything he wants being the first thing around to create everything.

Curing male pattern baldness is genetics, which is a lot more tricky. DNA has tons of points to look at and compare. Then once you manage to find whatever gene it is that needs to be turned on/off to prevent baldness, you then have to create/find a drug that can turn this gene on/off. It is very complicated, but it's really not that far off. Genetic reading/manipulation technology is advancing at a very rapid rate.

If we genetically modified a primate to have a brain the size of ours, then I'd be willing to bet everything I own that the primate would be able learn and think just as good as us, perhaps with a few variable differences due to slight differences in brain architecture.

And no, it's not curious that we're the only ones that are this smart, because that would be implying there is some sort of brain power limit. We merely possess the most advanced brains on the planet, but we don't possess eye's quality of a hawk now do we? Or the nose quality of a dog? These both would be greatly beneficial traits that we have had "equal opportunity to advance" to.

Our understanding hasn't really vastly changed every 100 years, it's merely slowly grown, with a few minor breakthroughs a long the way that changed the core understandings. Changes in our understanding obviously can't go on forever, so that argument doesn't hold much value, as we must reach the end point at some time. And yes, our understanding of gravity is still poor, because unlike pretty much everything else, you can't see gravity, only the effects it has on mass.

And not "trying to be a dick", but it would be nice if you used at least a bit better grammar/spelling. I'm not asking for perfectly written messages, just that you try and make it look like your an educated adult. Because right now when I read your writing, it gives off the feel of a 13 year old. No offense, that's just how it looks.

Eh, it doesn't make sense for it to "end" at death. The only reason we think it ends is that we can't see beyond that point. Exactly how we thought the world "ended".

I'm glad that someone else thinks that it just doesn't make sense to end at death.

Lol? You two made me lawl.. Seeing as how millions of people have that same view, due to a little thing called "religion".

People not being able to accept that this is all there is to life has been one of the main driving forces behind the growth of religions for thousands of years.

a lot of people today in fact most people that i know and almost everyone i have spoken to on the internet doesn't believe in life after death due to a little thing called "atheism". but my response to the comment wasn't about religion it was about a gut feeling that death seems unnatural or wrong not that it doesn't happen or isn't the end. the majority of people religious people included except death as a natural inevitability or do you think that anyone other than the Scientologists think that their never going to die? maybe im not as smart as you think you are, but i'm not an idiot, i am able to except death as being the end, but then i am also "open minded" enough to understand that life after death is also possibility. we dont know what happens to consciousness when we die, and science still cant explain absolutely where human consciousness even resides. nevertheless im glad that my utter foolishness gave you a laugh.

I agree that on the Internet, the ratio of Atheistic people to Religious people is pretty close. But population wise, the last census done in the US showed Atheism as only being just above 20%. Which is still nice, since it's increased with ever poll over the decades.

Of course death feels wrong, I wasn't refuting that. I was replying to your comment about death not being the end. And I don't know where you get this idea that religious people don't believe in life after death, since that's pretty much the main driving force behind the whole freaking thing.

And science can explain consciousness pretty well actually, you just need to go out and search for the information, because it is very complicated and isn't usually something you pick up from forum discussions. Consciousness is mainly a function a brain develops from being aware of it's own existence. Some primates have shown behavior akin to consciousness, such as premeditated planning. Sure, our understanding of consciousness isn't 100%, but were getting pretty close as our technology advances and our understanding of brain mechanics increases.

Death truly is wrong, it's a genetic flaw that varies in severity from creature to creature.
Scientist's are working hard to find a way to fix our genetic self repair & protection systems so that we can live forever. It's truly very sound science, and in most likelihood should bring great developments within the next 2 decades. If your young like me, you very well could live long enough to receive treatments that would allow you to live on healthy for ages to come.

Ohh, and it doesn't mean I'm not "open minded" just because I don't believe in life after death. I'm merely rational. Yes, there very well could be life after death! But the chance of that being true is so small that it's like 1 in a bagillion. I could make up some other crap about things after death, like for instance:
"Oh, did you know that flying unicorns come down and greet you when you die, giving you a tour of the galaxy and then granting you 10 wishes for use in the afterlife?"

I have no proof of this, just like there's no proof of an after life. But does that mean I can disprove it? NO! But that doesn't make it a logical choice.

\

firstly i never said that religious people don't believe in life after death. and sure its a leap of faith to believe that there is life after death but to be an atheist is to take a leap of faith as well, for instance where did all the matter in the universe come from? spontaneous generation? I'm sure your answer will be that matter can not be created or destroyed but then your not really starting at zero, at the beginning then are you. and with guerrillas and dolphins which im sick of hearing about by the way we can talk about them whenever they start building rockets and planes. isnt it curious that although ever species on the planet had equal opportunity to advance or evolve to are level of cognition we are the only ones? also everyone quotes the mighty sciences like there not all going to change in a few hundred years anyway. think about it every few hundred years we find that everything we new about the world was wrong. and i cant believe your going to try to tell me that we cant cure male pattern baldness but we can fully understand something as intangible as human conscientiousness. even are ideas of something as fundamental as gravity we find is wrong. we can see that celestial body's moving outward from the galaxy are not slowing down like they should be according to gravity but in fact speeding up and i could go on and on. sorry im not trying to be a dick but im just so sick of people on the internet acting like there fucking Bill Nye the science guy. i don't care if anyone wants to be an atheist it just pisses me off when they tell me my chooses are illogical, its insulting and pretentious.

Atheism isn't a leap of faith, because there is no faith involved. What we don't know the answer too, we have to say we don't know, and merely create theories, then do testing until said theories can be proven or disproven. I don't know where all the matter/energy came from, we may never know for sure. For now all we can do is guess. That question applies to science and religion, because where did a God come from? And if God was "eternal", then why can that same argument not be used to merely say energy is eternal. Sounds a lot more logical for the energy to be eternal, then a somehow all knowing intelligent God who can do anything he wants being the first thing around to create everything.

Curing male pattern baldness is genetics, which is a lot more tricky. DNA has tons of points to look at and compare. Then once you manage to find whatever gene it is that needs to be turned on/off to prevent baldness, you then have to create/find a drug that can turn this gene on/off. It is very complicated, but it's really not that far off. Genetic reading/manipulation technology is advancing at a very rapid rate.

If we genetically modified a primate to have a brain the size of ours, then I'd be willing to bet everything I own that the primate would be able learn and think just as good as us, perhaps with a few variable differences due to slight differences in brain architecture.

And no, it's not curious that we're the only ones that are this smart, because that would be implying there is some sort of brain power limit. We merely possess the most advanced brains on the planet, but we don't possess eye's quality of a hawk now do we? Or the nose quality of a dog? These both would be greatly beneficial traits that we have had "equal opportunity to advance" to.

Our understanding hasn't really vastly changed every 100 years, it's merely slowly grown, with a few minor breakthroughs a long the way that changed the core understandings. Changes in our understanding obviously can't go on forever, so that argument doesn't hold much value, as we must reach the end point at some time. And yes, our understanding of gravity is still poor, because unlike pretty much everything else, you can't see gravity, only the effects it has on mass.

And not "trying to be a dick", but it would be nice if you used at least a bit better grammar/spelling. I'm not asking for perfectly written messages, just that you try and make it look like your an educated adult. Because right now when I read your writing, it gives off the feel of a 13 year old. No offense, that's just how it looks.

Kakkaii, Please learn to have a debate with out resorting to insults that would be what a 13 year old kid would do. Thanks, Ragamuffingirl

 

[Kakkoii]

Kakkaii, Please learn to have a debate with out resorting to insults that would be what a 13 year old kid would do. Thanks, Ragamuffingirl

It wasn't an insult, it was an honest suggestion.

 

[ragamuffingirl]

Kakkaii, Please learn to have a debate with out resorting to insults that would be what a 13 year old kid would do. Thanks, Ragamuffingirl

It wasn't an insult, it was an honest suggestion.

No it wasn't, you know what you were doing. You were intentionally trying to hurt the guys feelings so that you could feel good about yourself. Do you need to talk to someone? I'm sure you could find a good counselor where you live to help you with your insecurities.

 

[1ronJ4m]

Damnit I dont like death. It scares me to no small extent.
And feeling it on your own skin isn't nice... yeah I was almost hit by a train once
I think death is the same thing that was before you were born. Meaning nothing. What I find curious about us humans is that deep inside we all know we are temporary, and death could undo us anytime. A couple thousand years, and our very existence would simply fade away. And here's the catch: all that fear, all that despair, and we still endure. That is why there really might be something "more" than just this life.

 

[Kakkoii]

Eh, it doesn't make sense for it to "end" at death. The only reason we think it ends is that we can't see beyond that point. Exactly how we thought the world "ended".

I'm glad that someone else thinks that it just doesn't make sense to end at death.

Lol? You two made me lawl.. Seeing as how millions of people have that same view, due to a little thing called "religion".

People not being able to accept that this is all there is to life has been one of the main driving forces behind the growth of religions for thousands of years.

a lot of people today in fact most people that i know and almost everyone i have spoken to on the internet doesn't believe in life after death due to a little thing called "atheism". but my response to the comment wasn't about religion it was about a gut feeling that death seems unnatural or wrong not that it doesn't happen or isn't the end. the majority of people religious people included except death as a natural inevitability or do you think that anyone other than the Scientologists think that their never going to die? maybe im not as smart as you think you are, but i'm not an idiot, i am able to except death as being the end, but then i am also "open minded" enough to understand that life after death is also possibility. we dont know what happens to consciousness when we die, and science still cant explain absolutely where human consciousness even resides. nevertheless im glad that my utter foolishness gave you a laugh.

I agree that on the Internet, the ratio of Atheistic people to Religious people is pretty close. But population wise, the last census done in the US showed Atheism as only being just above 20%. Which is still nice, since it's increased with ever poll over the decades.

Of course death feels wrong, I wasn't refuting that. I was replying to your comment about death not being the end. And I don't know where you get this idea that religious people don't believe in life after death, since that's pretty much the main driving force behind the whole freaking thing.

And science can explain consciousness pretty well actually, you just need to go out and search for the information, because it is very complicated and isn't usually something you pick up from forum discussions. Consciousness is mainly a function a brain develops from being aware of it's own existence. Some primates have shown behavior akin to consciousness, such as premeditated planning. Sure, our understanding of consciousness isn't 100%, but were getting pretty close as our technology advances and our understanding of brain mechanics increases.

Death truly is wrong, it's a genetic flaw that varies in severity from creature to creature.
Scientist's are working hard to find a way to fix our genetic self repair & protection systems so that we can live forever. It's truly very sound science, and in most likelihood should bring great developments within the next 2 decades. If your young like me, you very well could live long enough to receive treatments that would allow you to live on healthy for ages to come.

Ohh, and it doesn't mean I'm not "open minded" just because I don't believe in life after death. I'm merely rational. Yes, there very well could be life after death! But the chance of that being true is so small that it's like 1 in a bagillion. I could make up some other crap about things after death, like for instance:
"Oh, did you know that flying unicorns come down and greet you when you die, giving you a tour of the galaxy and then granting you 10 wishes for use in the afterlife?"

I have no proof of this, just like there's no proof of an after life. But does that mean I can disprove it? NO! But that doesn't make it a logical choice.

\

firstly i never said that religious people don't believe in life after death. and sure its a leap of faith to believe that there is life after death but to be an atheist is to take a leap of faith as well, for instance where did all the matter in the universe come from? spontaneous generation? I'm sure your answer will be that matter can not be created or destroyed but then your not really starting at zero, at the beginning then are you. and with guerrillas and dolphins which im sick of hearing about by the way we can talk about them whenever they start building rockets and planes. isnt it curious that although ever species on the planet had equal opportunity to advance or evolve to are level of cognition we are the only ones? also everyone quotes the mighty sciences like there not all going to change in a few hundred years anyway. think about it every few hundred years we find that everything we new about the world was wrong. and i cant believe your going to try to tell me that we cant cure male pattern baldness but we can fully understand something as intangible as human conscientiousness. even are ideas of something as fundamental as gravity we find is wrong. we can see that celestial body's moving outward from the galaxy are not slowing down like they should be according to gravity but in fact speeding up and i could go on and on. sorry im not trying to be a dick but im just so sick of people on the internet acting like there fucking Bill Nye the science guy. i don't care if anyone wants to be an atheist it just pisses me off when they tell me my chooses are illogical, its insulting and pretentious.

Atheism isn't a leap of faith, because there is no faith involved. What we don't know the answer too, we have to say we don't know, and merely create theories, then do testing until said theories can be proven or disproven. I don't know where all the matter/energy came from, we may never know for sure. For now all we can do is guess. That question applies to science and religion, because where did a God come from? And if God was "eternal", then why can that same argument not be used to merely say energy is eternal. Sounds a lot more logical for the energy to be eternal, then a somehow all knowing intelligent God who can do anything he wants being the first thing around to create everything.

Curing male pattern baldness is genetics, which is a lot more tricky. DNA has tons of points to look at and compare. Then once you manage to find whatever gene it is that needs to be turned on/off to prevent baldness, you then have to create/find a drug that can turn this gene on/off. It is very complicated, but it's really not that far off. Genetic reading/manipulation technology is advancing at a very rapid rate.

If we genetically modified a primate to have a brain the size of ours, then I'd be willing to bet everything I own that the primate would be able learn and think just as good as us, perhaps with a few variable differences due to slight differences in brain architecture.

And no, it's not curious that we're the only ones that are this smart, because that would be implying there is some sort of brain power limit. We merely possess the most advanced brains on the planet, but we don't possess eye's quality of a hawk now do we? Or the nose quality of a dog? These both would be greatly beneficial traits that we have had "equal opportunity to advance" to.

Our understanding hasn't really vastly changed every 100 years, it's merely slowly grown, with a few minor breakthroughs a long the way that changed the core understandings. Changes in our understanding obviously can't go on forever, so that argument doesn't hold much value, as we must reach the end point at some time. And yes, our understanding of gravity is still poor, because unlike pretty much everything else, you can't see gravity, only the effects it has on mass.

And not "trying to be a dick", but it would be nice if you used at least a bit better grammar/spelling. I'm not asking for perfectly written messages, just that you try and make it look like your an educated adult. Because right now when I read your writing, it gives off the feel of a 13 year old. No offense, that's just how it looks.

wow way to take a cheap shot with my grammar and spelling that was certainly acting like a mature educated adult there is nothing else i really have to say to you seeing as how you have no interest in having a friendly debate and because of your obviously narrow minded view of life and the universe in general you cant see past the flawed modern method of antithesis there is nothing that you have said that i haven't read before i am educated and educated and free enough to reject what ever grammar i choose to

i hope that was good and hard to read this isn't a class room and you are not a teacher

As I stated right before you posted, it wasn't a cheap shot or insult. I was just giving some friendly advice. This may not be a classroom, but it's real life. And in real life, people make judgments based on the way your present yourself online. You blast me for making one little suggestion, while you have the nerve to call me narrow minded.

I took the time to write a long detailed response just for you. If you've heard all these arguments before, then you should have no problem refuting them.

Kakkaii, Please learn to have a debate with out resorting to insults that would be what a 13 year old kid would do. Thanks, Ragamuffingirl

It wasn't an insult, it was an honest suggestion.

really that wasn't a cheap shot? if you going to be smug pretentious at least dont lie about it.

i will be go'in ta skuowl soon be gitten me some dat fancy ass book lern'in ibe smart make pertty words like yous do.

I wasn't being pretentious, that's merely the attitude you assumed I had taken. Text doesn't exactly translate how one is acting all that well. I was being completely honest. Because I used to get blasted for my grammar in debates in forums over the years from people who had nothing left but to insult. Using correct grammar/spelling gives one less thing for a person to fall back on as an attack, plus it allows you to get your message across a lot more clearly so that people don't misunderstand what you were trying to say. It gives off a better overall view of yourself also.

 

[ragamuffingirl]

Eh, it doesn't make sense for it to "end" at death. The only reason we think it ends is that we can't see beyond that point. Exactly how we thought the world "ended".

I'm glad that someone else thinks that it just doesn't make sense to end at death.

Lol? You two made me lawl.. Seeing as how millions of people have that same view, due to a little thing called "religion".

People not being able to accept that this is all there is to life has been one of the main driving forces behind the growth of religions for thousands of years.

a lot of people today in fact most people that i know and almost everyone i have spoken to on the internet doesn't believe in life after death due to a little thing called "atheism". but my response to the comment wasn't about religion it was about a gut feeling that death seems unnatural or wrong not that it doesn't happen or isn't the end. the majority of people religious people included except death as a natural inevitability or do you think that anyone other than the Scientologists think that their never going to die? maybe im not as smart as you think you are, but i'm not an idiot, i am able to except death as being the end, but then i am also "open minded" enough to understand that life after death is also possibility. we dont know what happens to consciousness when we die, and science still cant explain absolutely where human consciousness even resides. nevertheless im glad that my utter foolishness gave you a laugh.

I agree that on the Internet, the ratio of Atheistic people to Religious people is pretty close. But population wise, the last census done in the US showed Atheism as only being just above 20%. Which is still nice, since it's increased with ever poll over the decades.

Of course death feels wrong, I wasn't refuting that. I was replying to your comment about death not being the end. And I don't know where you get this idea that religious people don't believe in life after death, since that's pretty much the main driving force behind the whole freaking thing.

And science can explain consciousness pretty well actually, you just need to go out and search for the information, because it is very complicated and isn't usually something you pick up from forum discussions. Consciousness is mainly a function a brain develops from being aware of it's own existence. Some primates have shown behavior akin to consciousness, such as premeditated planning. Sure, our understanding of consciousness isn't 100%, but were getting pretty close as our technology advances and our understanding of brain mechanics increases.

Death truly is wrong, it's a genetic flaw that varies in severity from creature to creature.
Scientist's are working hard to find a way to fix our genetic self repair & protection systems so that we can live forever. It's truly very sound science, and in most likelihood should bring great developments within the next 2 decades. If your young like me, you very well could live long enough to receive treatments that would allow you to live on healthy for ages to come.

Ohh, and it doesn't mean I'm not "open minded" just because I don't believe in life after death. I'm merely rational. Yes, there very well could be life after death! But the chance of that being true is so small that it's like 1 in a bagillion. I could make up some other crap about things after death, like for instance:
"Oh, did you know that flying unicorns come down and greet you when you die, giving you a tour of the galaxy and then granting you 10 wishes for use in the afterlife?"

I have no proof of this, just like there's no proof of an after life. But does that mean I can disprove it? NO! But that doesn't make it a logical choice.

\

firstly i never said that religious people don't believe in life after death. and sure its a leap of faith to believe that there is life after death but to be an atheist is to take a leap of faith as well, for instance where did all the matter in the universe come from? spontaneous generation? I'm sure your answer will be that matter can not be created or destroyed but then your not really starting at zero, at the beginning then are you. and with guerrillas and dolphins which im sick of hearing about by the way we can talk about them whenever they start building rockets and planes. isnt it curious that although ever species on the planet had equal opportunity to advance or evolve to are level of cognition we are the only ones? also everyone quotes the mighty sciences like there not all going to change in a few hundred years anyway. think about it every few hundred years we find that everything we new about the world was wrong. and i cant believe your going to try to tell me that we cant cure male pattern baldness but we can fully understand something as intangible as human conscientiousness. even are ideas of something as fundamental as gravity we find is wrong. we can see that celestial body's moving outward from the galaxy are not slowing down like they should be according to gravity but in fact speeding up and i could go on and on. sorry im not trying to be a dick but im just so sick of people on the internet acting like there fucking Bill Nye the science guy. i don't care if anyone wants to be an atheist it just pisses me off when they tell me my chooses are illogical, its insulting and pretentious.

Atheism isn't a leap of faith, because there is no faith involved. What we don't know the answer too, we have to say we don't know, and merely create theories, then do testing until said theories can be proven or disproven. I don't know where all the matter/energy came from, we may never know for sure. For now all we can do is guess. That question applies to science and religion, because where did a God come from? And if God was "eternal", then why can that same argument not be used to merely say energy is eternal. Sounds a lot more logical for the energy to be eternal, then a somehow all knowing intelligent God who can do anything he wants being the first thing around to create everything.

Curing male pattern baldness is genetics, which is a lot more tricky. DNA has tons of points to look at and compare. Then once you manage to find whatever gene it is that needs to be turned on/off to prevent baldness, you then have to create/find a drug that can turn this gene on/off. It is very complicated, but it's really not that far off. Genetic reading/manipulation technology is advancing at a very rapid rate.

If we genetically modified a primate to have a brain the size of ours, then I'd be willing to bet everything I own that the primate would be able learn and think just as good as us, perhaps with a few variable differences due to slight differences in brain architecture.

And no, it's not curious that we're the only ones that are this smart, because that would be implying there is some sort of brain power limit. We merely possess the most advanced brains on the planet, but we don't possess eye's quality of a hawk now do we? Or the nose quality of a dog? These both would be greatly beneficial traits that we have had "equal opportunity to advance" to.

Our understanding hasn't really vastly changed every 100 years, it's merely slowly grown, with a few minor breakthroughs a long the way that changed the core understandings. Changes in our understanding obviously can't go on forever, so that argument doesn't hold much value, as we must reach the end point at some time. And yes, our understanding of gravity is still poor, because unlike pretty much everything else, you can't see gravity, only the effects it has on mass.

And not "trying to be a dick", but it would be nice if you used at least a bit better grammar/spelling. I'm not asking for perfectly written messages, just that you try and make it look like your an educated adult. Because right now when I read your writing, it gives off the feel of a 13 year old. No offense, that's just how it looks.

wow way to take a cheap shot with my grammar and spelling that was certainly acting like a mature educated adult there is nothing else i really have to say to you seeing as how you have no interest in having a friendly debate and because of your obviously narrow minded view of life and the universe in general you cant see past the flawed modern method of antithesis there is nothing that you have said that i haven't read before i am educated and educated and free enough to reject what ever grammar i choose to

i hope that was good and hard to read this isn't a class room and you are not a teacher

As I stated right before you posted, it wasn't a cheap shot or insult. I was just giving some friendly advice. This may not be a classroom, but it's real life. And in real life, people make judgments based on the way your present yourself online. You blast me for making one little suggestion, while you have the nerve to call me narrow minded.

I took the time to write a long detailed response just for you. If you've heard all these arguments before, then you should have no problem refuting them.

Kakkaii, Please learn to have a debate with out resorting to insults that would be what a 13 year old kid would do. Thanks, Ragamuffingirl

It wasn't an insult, it was an honest suggestion.

really that wasn't a cheap shot? if you going to be smug pretentious at least dont lie about it.

i will be go'in ta skuowl soon be gitten me some dat fancy ass book lern'in ibe smart make pertty words like yous do.

I wasn't being pretentious, that's merely the attitude you assumed I had taken. Text doesn't exactly translate how one is acting all that well. I was being completely honest. Because I used to get blasted for my grammar in debates in forums over the years from people who had nothing left but to insult. Using correct grammar/spelling gives one less thing for a person to fall back on as an attack, plus it allows you to get your message across a lot more clearly so that people don't misunderstand what you were trying to say.

Grammar is over rated and on it's way out. Pretty soon the most we will use is a period. I learned that in college


Edit: for example, if you read Benjamin Franklin's writings you will see so many words capitalized, that's because there was no uniform idea on capitalization. It's a growing and changing thing, this language.

 

[Kakkoii]

Kakkaii, Please learn to have a debate with out resorting to insults that would be what a 13 year old kid would do. Thanks, Ragamuffingirl

It wasn't an insult, it was an honest suggestion.

No it wasn't, you know what you were doing. You were intentionally trying to hurt the guys feelings so that you could feel good about yourself. Do you need to talk to someone? I'm sure you could find a good counselor where you live to help you with your insecurities.

Nope. Assume all you want, but that's not what I was trying to do. That's not the kind of person I am.

I'm guessing you friends in real life with Island? Or at least online? Since you seem to be going on the defense for him, your both around the same age, profile interest's have some good similarities, join date is only a month apart and your on each others friend lists.

 

[Unreliable]

I'd imagine it will go something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTBBKTO68

 

[Inarticulate_Underachiever]

They were an awesome progressive metal band.

 

[Kakkoii]

Eh, it doesn't make sense for it to "end" at death. The only reason we think it ends is that we can't see beyond that point. Exactly how we thought the world "ended".

I'm glad that someone else thinks that it just doesn't make sense to end at death.

Lol? You two made me lawl.. Seeing as how millions of people have that same view, due to a little thing called "religion".

People not being able to accept that this is all there is to life has been one of the main driving forces behind the growth of religions for thousands of years.

a lot of people today in fact most people that i know and almost everyone i have spoken to on the internet doesn't believe in life after death due to a little thing called "atheism". but my response to the comment wasn't about religion it was about a gut feeling that death seems unnatural or wrong not that it doesn't happen or isn't the end. the majority of people religious people included except death as a natural inevitability or do you think that anyone other than the Scientologists think that their never going to die? maybe im not as smart as you think you are, but i'm not an idiot, i am able to except death as being the end, but then i am also "open minded" enough to understand that life after death is also possibility. we dont know what happens to consciousness when we die, and science still cant explain absolutely where human consciousness even resides. nevertheless im glad that my utter foolishness gave you a laugh.

I agree that on the Internet, the ratio of Atheistic people to Religious people is pretty close. But population wise, the last census done in the US showed Atheism as only being just above 20%. Which is still nice, since it's increased with ever poll over the decades.

Of course death feels wrong, I wasn't refuting that. I was replying to your comment about death not being the end. And I don't know where you get this idea that religious people don't believe in life after death, since that's pretty much the main driving force behind the whole freaking thing.

And science can explain consciousness pretty well actually, you just need to go out and search for the information, because it is very complicated and isn't usually something you pick up from forum discussions. Consciousness is mainly a function a brain develops from being aware of it's own existence. Some primates have shown behavior akin to consciousness, such as premeditated planning. Sure, our understanding of consciousness isn't 100%, but were getting pretty close as our technology advances and our understanding of brain mechanics increases.

Death truly is wrong, it's a genetic flaw that varies in severity from creature to creature.
Scientist's are working hard to find a way to fix our genetic self repair & protection systems so that we can live forever. It's truly very sound science, and in most likelihood should bring great developments within the next 2 decades. If your young like me, you very well could live long enough to receive treatments that would allow you to live on healthy for ages to come.

Ohh, and it doesn't mean I'm not "open minded" just because I don't believe in life after death. I'm merely rational. Yes, there very well could be life after death! But the chance of that being true is so small that it's like 1 in a bagillion. I could make up some other crap about things after death, like for instance:
"Oh, did you know that flying unicorns come down and greet you when you die, giving you a tour of the galaxy and then granting you 10 wishes for use in the afterlife?"

I have no proof of this, just like there's no proof of an after life. But does that mean I can disprove it? NO! But that doesn't make it a logical choice.

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firstly i never said that religious people don't believe in life after death. and sure its a leap of faith to believe that there is life after death but to be an atheist is to take a leap of faith as well, for instance where did all the matter in the universe come from? spontaneous generation? I'm sure your answer will be that matter can not be created or destroyed but then your not really starting at zero, at the beginning then are you. and with guerrillas and dolphins which im sick of hearing about by the way we can talk about them whenever they start building rockets and planes. isnt it curious that although ever species on the planet had equal opportunity to advance or evolve to are level of cognition we are the only ones? also everyone quotes the mighty sciences like there not all going to change in a few hundred years anyway. think about it every few hundred years we find that everything we new about the world was wrong. and i cant believe your going to try to tell me that we cant cure male pattern baldness but we can fully understand something as intangible as human conscientiousness. even are ideas of something as fundamental as gravity we find is wrong. we can see that celestial body's moving outward from the galaxy are not slowing down like they should be according to gravity but in fact speeding up and i could go on and on. sorry im not trying to be a dick but im just so sick of people on the internet acting like there fucking Bill Nye the science guy. i don't care if anyone wants to be an atheist it just pisses me off when they tell me my chooses are illogical, its insulting and pretentious.

Atheism isn't a leap of faith, because there is no faith involved. What we don't know the answer too, we have to say we don't know, and merely create theories, then do testing until said theories can be proven or disproven. I don't know where all the matter/energy came from, we may never know for sure. For now all we can do is guess. That question applies to science and religion, because where did a God come from? And if God was "eternal", then why can that same argument not be used to merely say energy is eternal. Sounds a lot more logical for the energy to be eternal, then a somehow all knowing intelligent God who can do anything he wants being the first thing around to create everything.

Curing male pattern baldness is genetics, which is a lot more tricky. DNA has tons of points to look at and compare. Then once you manage to find whatever gene it is that needs to be turned on/off to prevent baldness, you then have to create/find a drug that can turn this gene on/off. It is very complicated, but it's really not that far off. Genetic reading/manipulation technology is advancing at a very rapid rate.

If we genetically modified a primate to have a brain the size of ours, then I'd be willing to bet everything I own that the primate would be able learn and think just as good as us, perhaps with a few variable differences due to slight differences in brain architecture.

And no, it's not curious that we're the only ones that are this smart, because that would be implying there is some sort of brain power limit. We merely possess the most advanced brains on the planet, but we don't possess eye's quality of a hawk now do we? Or the nose quality of a dog? These both would be greatly beneficial traits that we have had "equal opportunity to advance" to.

Our understanding hasn't really vastly changed every 100 years, it's merely slowly grown, with a few minor breakthroughs a long the way that changed the core understandings. Changes in our understanding obviously can't go on forever, so that argument doesn't hold much value, as we must reach the end point at some time. And yes, our understanding of gravity is still poor, because unlike pretty much everything else, you can't see gravity, only the effects it has on mass.

And not "trying to be a dick", but it would be nice if you used at least a bit better grammar/spelling. I'm not asking for perfectly written messages, just that you try and make it look like your an educated adult. Because right now when I read your writing, it gives off the feel of a 13 year old. No offense, that's just how it looks.

wow way to take a cheap shot with my grammar and spelling that was certainly acting like a mature educated adult there is nothing else i really have to say to you seeing as how you have no interest in having a friendly debate and because of your obviously narrow minded view of life and the universe in general you cant see past the flawed modern method of antithesis there is nothing that you have said that i haven't read before i am educated and educated and free enough to reject what ever grammar i choose to

i hope that was good and hard to read this isn't a class room and you are not a teacher

As I stated right before you posted, it wasn't a cheap shot or insult. I was just giving some friendly advice. This may not be a classroom, but it's real life. And in real life, people make judgments based on the way your present yourself online. You blast me for making one little suggestion, while you have the nerve to call me narrow minded.

I took the time to write a long detailed response just for you. If you've heard all these arguments before, then you should have no problem refuting them.

i don't have any problem refuting them its just that nothing is absolute and i cant absolutely prove you wrong just as you cant absolutely prove me wrong. also i don't think that either of us are going to change our minds on the subject because of this conversation. I'm very aware that this is real life i just don't think real life is to be taken so seriously and i have long since past the point of caring about peoples judgments. the narrow minded thing came after your little grammar insult but still sorry if it hurt your feelings and thank you for writing me a long response.

Well I'd say an atom or a photon is absolute ;P. And I'm not asking you to "absolutely" prove me wrong. I'm asking you to put forth what it is that makes you believe what I said is wrong. Ya know, like, why have any discussions/arguments at all then if nothing can be absolutely proven? Because it's not about absolutely 100% proving, it's just about trying to find the most logical answer.

 

[ragamuffingirl]

Kakkaii, Please learn to have a debate with out resorting to insults that would be what a 13 year old kid would do. Thanks, Ragamuffingirl

It wasn't an insult, it was an honest suggestion.

No it wasn't, you know what you were doing. You were intentionally trying to hurt the guys feelings so that you could feel good about yourself. Do you need to talk to someone? I'm sure you could find a good counselor where you live to help you with your insecurities.

Nope. Assume all you want, but that's not what I was trying to do. That's not the kind of person I am.

I'm guessing you friends in real life with Island? Or at least online? Since you seem to be going on the defense for him, your both around the same age, profile interest's have some good similarities, join date is only a month apart and your on each others friend lists.

Oh, Kakkaii would you like to be my friend? I would treat you nice and you don't even have to know how to spell. I won't judge you.

 

[Therumancer]

Well my thoughts on Death is that I liked the portrayal as a hot, perky Goth Girl in Neil Gaiman's works.

On a more serious note, despite all of my problems IRL I'm not in any hurry to die. Truthfully, despite not being especially spiritual, I tend to be more worried about what may or may not happen after death than actually dying.

I guess reality is so messed up, that I kind of expect to go from a less than wonderful life to an even worse death. Basically things were bad, compounded, you were less than perfect and did a lot of wrong things, so let's punish you for eternity as a fitting ending for all of the joy you already experienced.

I mean it's sort of jaded when you can hardly begin to envision what Heaven (or another positive afterlife) might be like, but can clearly envision hell, and think that the thought of oblivion which caused so many thoughts on the concept of an immortal soul to exist seems pleasant compared to what the endgame for our reality is likely to actually be like. :/


>>>----Therumancer--->

 

[historybuff]

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DEATH. HE'S A DECENT GUY.

He made a great Hogfather.


On death, though. Death is a part of life. Some of us will meet it in terrible ways and some of us will not.

 

[The Black Adder]

I wish death would visit you all.

 

[Nightflight51]

If you view the universe as a hologram, then this body's death shouldn't mean all that much to the mind that inhabits it.
If you break off a piece of a hologram plate it will still have 100% of the data contained in the original. The same somewhat applies to the brain; cut out a chunk mostly dedicated to memories, and the individual won't lose too much.
So if we see the human body as a tiny part of a massive fractal plate, then shattering it into itsy-bitsy pieces via death and decomposition doesn't mean jack shit for your consciousness. There won't be a blinding white light, or crushing blackness, you'll just keep existing as someone else. You won't even notice the difference.

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves." ~ Bill Hicks