Zelda Is Not An RPG
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All Zeldas are action-adventure titles. It's like calling the earlier Mario games scavenger hunts because all you do is collect coins. They were platformers, plain and simple, much like Zelda games are deep adventure titles. You get a sword, you fight the baddies, you kick the shit out of Ganon (or his minions). It's not an RPG because there's no leveling, no voluntary upgrading, no party/group system, and nothing to lessen the test of skill required to play. If it's hard, it's gonna be hard until you're good enough to do it. Plain and simple, really.
Interesting note, obviously the controversy is over the definition of an RPG. which makes me wonder, how would you define an RPG?LeonHellsvite said:
"Grinding" is not a requirement of an RPG. However, your character becoming stronger as he progresses and acquiring new things are RPG elements. As you defeat dungeons, you gain more health and obtain items that help you progress in the game. You also follow a storyline as a character in a fantasy land. Sounds a lot like an rpg to me. Just because stats and numbers dont play a huge role doesnt mean its not an rpg, it just means its simple and the focus is on the adventure and action rather than the gear and character progression.
I'd say Legend of Zelda is an RPG in the way it's free-roaming, advancing your stats (Magic meter, Hearts, etc) and collecting new weapons/items to advance through the plot.
It's an action-adventure game as well, but since when do games need to apply to only one genre...?
It's an action-adventure game as well, but since when do games need to apply to only one genre...?
I ignored genre tags ever since FPS games were popularized and still called "Action" games.tmujir955 said:
I agree that grinding doesn't define a RPG at all, I think it's the physical manifestation of that indefinable mechanic that no one has been able to put words to in this thread on what defines a RPG. Until some one comes out and describes the importance of the mechanic that encourages grinding that defines RPGs, I'm happy with that as a defining characteristic. I certainly can't put words on what makes a RPG without declassifying another game-type. Some people have said some good ways to define a RPG, but then it either makes games that are strongly in everyone's opinion NOT a RPG suddenly become a RPG, or vice versa, a well-accepted RPG no longer is a RPG.Rahnzan said:
Hell, I made a comparison on the second page of Gran Turismo to a RPG, because there are a lot of similarities that could constitute a RPG. GT is NOT a RPG, but it can be played like one if you think of it in a certain mindset.
I still don't understand why you care. I consider it an RPG, but also a action adventure game.
People called Rise of The Argonauts an RPG, yet no one seemed to care about that, even though calling that an RPG is just insulting to the fans
People called Rise of The Argonauts an RPG, yet no one seemed to care about that, even though calling that an RPG is just insulting to the fans
Using your overly-simplistic definition, every game other than puzzle games are role playing games. In Halo you play the role of Master Chief, in Mario you play the role of Mario. Hell, using your definition I could lump Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat into the category too.crystalsnow said:
Of those 4 I just named how many are considered role playing games?
Role playing games are games where there is a non-linear story and obvious character growth (usually through the use of a xp system.) Combat is handled using die rolls (hidden or not) and stats vs. button mashing.
For a game to be a role playing game it must have you playing a role, but just because you play a role of someone in the game does NOT mean it is an rpg.
Oi You, Yes You don't be an ass, just respond but don't go ahead and insist people "Grind their faces into Cement" you've been here long enough to know that those responses are looked down upon >_> Jeeze man.crystalsnow said:
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It's an Action RPG. You role play in an Action esk manner. I.e. Stabbing people repeatedly with your sword to save a princess for the umpteenth millionth time, because she can't learn after I 'unno the 4th time it happens to LOCK THE DOOR X)
The intended definition of the role-playing genre is that you have customizable options over your character so that you can alter your approach to the game based on the decisions you make both in character creation as well as the choices you make throughout. I actually don't even consider JRPGs to be true role-playing games, and never have, for this reason. The key element of a role-playing game is that you play the game in a way that you deem appropriate to the role that you choose yourself. Basically, just think of D&D and anything inspired by it. That's the simplest.
Unfortunately, however, the term RPG has become a colloquial term that refers to any game whose primary mechanics are based heavily on statistics and attributes rather than simply pure skill.
Unfortunately, however, the term RPG has become a colloquial term that refers to any game whose primary mechanics are based heavily on statistics and attributes rather than simply pure skill.
No they don't, they tell you what their game is dependent on the elements within the game and how that game plays out. Most games aren't that specific in their advertisements of what genre a game might be.Velocity Eleven said:
Stores and the general conceptions of the sellers in those stores determines what the game will be sold as, which effects advertising. Companies often advertise the multiple elements in a game, crossing them over into multiple genres to increase sale. Whichever one a store goes with, is their choice.
They create a game for a target audience/genre and try to make it as close to that target audiences/genres taste as possible, while trying to keep the game within a certain audience/genre. Conceptions make up a small amount.
Games may have many other types of game elements, but the way those elements interact with the game and effect it make the game what it is.
No.Onyx Oblivion said:
I refuse, refuse, REFUSE to be believe that humans have ever characterized FPS's in the "Action" genre. Until you provide a link, I refuse to believe.
Yes, humans are absolutely bat-shit dumb. But I don't think we're dumb enough to categorize an FPS as "Action".