Zero Punctuation: Battlefield 3

[Belbe]

Oh you fellows here are so critical. He gave you his reasons, if they wanted to hype up the SP then you know Yahtz will be there with a fine-tooth comb. The point is he slammed the campaign, and acknowledges that it was a game for MP.

You would have all cried anyways if you saw he didn't review B3 anyways. The guy can't win.

 

[Metalrocks]

he forgot to mention about origin. but well, he is a console guy.
origin is a reason why i dint get my self this game. was curious about how the MP is but well, no spyware on my pc.
got my self COD and after few hours of playing the MP, it is actually fun. i enjoy it even more then black ops.
well, lets see how he will take MW3 apart. lol

 

[Soggy Toast]

Same thing happened to me (referring to the ending).

 

[octafish]

Black Ops uses an interrogation to frame a story. Why do people get fixated on this? Alpha Protocol did it a year earlier, and In Cold Blood did it in 2001 and did it best of all.

 

[zehydra]

Does not reviewing the multiplayer mean Yahtzee thinks the single player is more important?

Hell, in this age of FPSs, it is ONLY the multiplayer that is important, so why should Yahtzee be so surprised when the single-player is often shit for these games?

Hey, I loved Battlefield Bad Company 2, I still love that game. But I have only played like two levels of the campaign, and they were pretty uninteresting. The greatness of the game comes from the multiplayer, not the singleplayer, and I will expect the same from Battlefield 3.

 

[samsonguy920]

Best ending to a ZP ever. I feel all the better now not caring about this game.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

It doesn't seem fair to only review a multiplayer based game's single player campaign.....you're basically picking out only the weakest part of the game and then ranting on about it while ignoring all the other parts. It'd be like only reviewing an MMO's level grinding while ignoring the raids or the PvP.

It just seems like Yahtzee is a noob when it comes to multiplayer imo. Just because you don't like a part of the game doesn't mean you shouldn't ignore it when you're talking about whether the game is good or not, otherwise, you come off as a biased prick.

Yahtzee's justification for only doing single-player is twofold: there are too many dicks online, and after the servers shut down, you won't be able to play it anyway. Also, EA said the campaign was just as important as the multiplayer and Yahtzee replied, "Challenge accepted." And yes, it seems that they were just as important. Read: neither is very good.

 

[KelsieKatt]

Ah yes. As he himself pointed out in the Gears of War review: if you trash the singleplayer, everyone defends the game by saying "no one plays it for the singleplayer."

This is an argument that never ceases to become less retarded the more times its put out there.

I've heard BF fanboys say the series was never about the SP, and thus it doesn't matter if it's mediocre to poor.

Considering that up until only recently, single player did not exist at all in the Battlefield games, like literally... there was no campaign period. I'd say it's a pretty fucking valid point that anyone who has been following the franchise doesn't give two shits about the campaign that EA slapped on recently.

If Team Fortress 3 suddenly came out with a single player campaign in the next entry, you can bet your ass that none of the fans going to care and it would be stupid for a reviewer to emphasize that particular aspect while ignoring the online considering that Team Fortress 1 & 2 had no single player campaign.

This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. The Gears of War comparison isn't even relevant considering it's been a campaign+multiplayer combo experience since day one, along with many other games like Halo, etc. I could care less which part of those games he reviews.

However, exclusively reviewing a campaign that randomly popped up in a multiplayer-only franchise is quite useless information to the vast majority of people. (Or vice versa, reviewing the multiplayer specifically in a single player franchise. For example, if they put in versus modes in Mass Effect 3 and someone reviewed only that, you can bet people would be justifiably annoyed.)

 

[Madara XIII]

Everyone wants to focus solely on the multiplayer that the campaign itself falls short of Anemic.

Kind of a shame it sells so well

Very Shameful. I mean it's not all that hard to make a campaign just as fun as the multiplayer.

Prime Example:
[HEADING=2]METAL GEAR SOLID 4[/HEADING]

That was a game that had a heavy and hearty campaign, coupled with it's ever endearing online segment known as Metal Gear Online.

Both the single and multiplayer segments were deep and compelling. The Multiplayer had a system that punished mediocrity and would make you level down if you didn't meant your levels quota.

It proved itself to be clever. It MADE you work as a team and it MADE you realize that running and gunning is indeed VERY VERY VERY STUPID, because you will get eliminated.

[HEADING=2] Metal Gear Online is a SMART ONLINE SHOOTER![/HEADING]

[HEADING=2] Team Fortress 2 is as well[/HEADING]

Regardless though, maybe if developers balanced campaign and multiplayer more often then we wouldn't have half-assed attempts at an incomplete game that fanboys would jump in front of a Bus for

 

[Madara XIII]

Some people seem butthurt over Yahtzee's criticism... He's a critic damnit!

Indeed. Secondly I FREAKING LOVE YOUR AVATAR!!!

 

[StreetPizza]

Weird thing is, the ad was for MW3.

 

[ReiverCorrupter]

Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll set the next CoD in South America so we can fight in a tropical rainforest. But don't say that people are ONLY making brown military shooters. The brown military shooters are just the most popular and well polished.

Umm....

World at War was half set in the Pacific(rather Tropical).
MW2 had two missions in South America(Not in the rainforest, mind you).
Black Ops had some Vietnam Jungle missions.
MW3 has a tropical mission in Sierra Leone.

That's 4 CoD games with tropical or South America.

And I'll count Bad Company 2, because it obviously wanted to be MW2 so badly, and was set in South America.

I realize all of this. But I wouldn't compare those past iterations to something like Far Cry or Crysis. The main reason why we don't see games like CoD in tropical environments is that A) they are largely hallway/cover based shooters and tropical environments are too open, and B) realistic foliage is probably one of the most difficult things to do from a programming standpoint because foliage is dynamic and can't just be a texture, in fact, it requires its own physics.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

Ah yes. As he himself pointed out in the Gears of War review: if you trash the singleplayer, everyone defends the game by saying "no one plays it for the singleplayer."

This is an argument that never ceases to become less retarded the more times its put out there.

I've heard BF fanboys say the series was never about the SP, and thus it doesn't matter if it's mediocre to poor.

Considering that up until only recently, single player did not exist at all in the Battlefield games, like literally... there was no campaign period. I'd say it's a pretty fucking valid point that anyone who has been following the franchise doesn't give two shits about the campaign that EA slapped on recently.

If Team Fortress 3 suddenly came out with a single player campaign in the next entry, you can bet your ass that none of the fans going to care and it would be stupid for a reviewer to emphasize that particular aspect while ignoring the online considering that Team Fortress 1 & 2 had no single player campaign.

This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. The Gears of War comparison isn't even relevant considering it's been a campaign+multiplayer combo experience since day one, along with many other games like Halo, etc. I could care less which part of those games he reviews.

However, exclusively reviewing a campaign that randomly popped up in a multiplayer-only franchise is quite useless information to the vast majority of people. (Or vice versa, reviewing the multiplayer specifically in a single player franchise. For example, if they put in versus modes in Mass Effect 3 and someone reviewed only that, you can bet people would be justifiably annoyed.)

If you're going to quote me, please don't snip out my entire argument so it just looks like I'm here to troll.

 

[Andru S]

*sigh*

[HEADING=2]It's a MUL-TEH-PLAY-HER GE-HM! It's also a PEEE-CEEE GE-HM.[/HEADING]

*sigh*

It's like he's thick sometimes or something or wants to make an art out of missing the point, I wouldn't be surprised if he Reviews the likes of Star Wars: The Old Republic, League of Legends or Team Fortress 2 based on their amazing SinglePlayer fun modes of talking to questgivers or shooting bullets into a wall as the lone man on an empty server some day... Or maybe he could move on to board games and play monopoly and chess all by himself and report about what an amazing experience that was?

The hell?

What does it matter that it's a PC game? The Longest Journey was a PC game. Thief was a PC game. Baldur's Gate was a PC game. Planescape Torment was a PC game. Arcanum was a PC game. Even recently, Witcher 2 was a PC game.

A game's platform has no bearing on what its single player quality campaign is. Somehow expecting that PC games having bad story is nothing short of utterly myopic.

 

[Fasckira]

The BF3 campaign didnt keep me interested, but I didnt buy BF3 for the campaign. Having a blast in the multiplayer side and Im enjoying the game a lot overall. That being said, I still enjoyed the ZP on it... I guess Im one of the fortunate few who doesnt experience some sort of internal strife when Yahtzee beats down on a game I like, and instead Im able to enjoy it for the few minutes of chuckle-tastic-comedy that it is.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

If a game says it has a single player component, that is the standard by which it should be judged.

Maybe they should re-roll the random plot generator, either that or their dice are rigged to always land on the terrorist/nuke combo.