I always liked the duke nukem franchise. It was terrible, but thats what made it fun. Like watching a bad movie when you know its a bad movie. Taken at face value, you can at least get the benefit of a laugh that people actually paid money to make this on screen abortion. That was the only reason i was ever looking forward to "Forever" It was still going to be a slight doom upgrade with nothing memorable and ridiculous saying (i'm gonna rip your head off and s*** down your neck), but the fact that it was still that bad, cost that much money, and still took as long as it did would have given it a value of irony that could never be replaced. oh well, there is always looking forward to "The legend of Zelda 25, the quest for more money"