Agreed 120%!Wounded Melody said:
altho a remake will be pointless, they should focus on once again making a descent FF for a change.
Zero Punctuation: Final Fantasy XIII
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altho a remake will be pointless, they should focus on once again making a descent FF for a change.
Lets say you played 10 installments and quit before the final boss in each since you did not like any of them, and for some arbitrary reason you liked one. You obviously don't like the Final Fantasy theme at all, you liked #12, not because it was FF but for it being a game that pleased your specific needs, might as well have been called "The adventures of captain Balthier and his Foxy Bunny" and it would have made little or no difference to your opinion of it.Nocturnal Gentleman said:
I see you as a motherly figure since you come rushing to defend someone with a knife on your mouth like I was trying to murder him, I wasnt even talking to you at the moment. Also, looking at my previous posts I never insulted him or anybody (except the games themselves) and here you are calling me a childish jerk, is it me or that Nerd Rage is getting to you?
Finally, the whole point of a forum is to expose different arguments and try to prove to each other why our points of view are valid. If you don't like me when I state that previous installments of FF were Greatly better than the new ones and I invite others to see for themselves by playing the classics, then you are obviously not open for discussion... shouldn't even be reading a forum at all. <_<'
But if at least 80% of the people DO think is crap, then it has a very promising possibility of it being actually a dripping bowl of crud.tony2077 said:
Didn't Yahtzee say something about this in Borderlands? Something about people shouting that he's misinterpreted his own opinion?
I love how the comments section actually isn't even about the video, it's a battlefield for the lovers and haters of FF13.
OT: Great vid, Yahtzee!
I love how the comments section actually isn't even about the video, it's a battlefield for the lovers and haters of FF13.
OT: Great vid, Yahtzee!
No, it means that ether they have odd tastes in games, or they are in a state of denial; trying to convince themselves that the game is good just because its called Final Fantasy, its made by Square Enix and it simply MUST be a "Diamond farting wonder"!!!tony2077 said:
All true, all hilarious. Loved every second. Could not stop laughing. Thank god someone's not a mindless brainwashed zombie to this crappy game. <3
Well, to put it bluntly, it's about Yahtzee saying what we've all come to expect him to say; he didn't like it. I'm just saying that everyone here is kind of ignoring what Yahtzee said because it wasn't a surprise, choosing instead to debate its merits with the other escapist members.Tetranitrophenol said:
Jesus, what's up with all the nostalgia tinted glasses in here? Do any of you even remember FF4? You find a magical ship. That takes you to the MOON. Who's on the moon? A bunch of Namingways who happen to own a shop. Not to mention the god of the summons; Bahamut, and of course, the bad guy. I'm not even going to go into FF6 and 8, I think you can already see where I'm going. The Final Fantasy series is hardly led by the storyline, so don't pretend the old ones were good and life was better back in the day.
To be fair, I think that whilst Yahtzee does point out the stereotypical nature of the characters the fact that he couldn't be bothered to do his job and play the game means he doesn't see how they develop (and don't pretend they don't). FF13 seems to me to be the first FF to actually deal with characters that aren't 2D. Seldom during the series are any characters seen to change with events (beyond getting depressed for a bit and making your friends chase you around for a while). This isn't the case in FF13. Instead of just showing bland predictable reactions to events (Mum dies, get sad) the characters make meaningful decisions and develop actual relationships with the other characters.
Anyway, my point is this. Final Fantasy 13 is appallingly bad, yes, but there are signs of improvement from 12. If they'd just revert back to a system where I can have full control of all of my characters in battle and where I can roam the world and play mini-games and actually have fun then I'm pretty sure it would once again be "good". Then again, there are always the nostalgia tinted glasses to make people hate whatever comes next.
(Oh, and I thought FFX wasn't too bad. Appreciated it a lot more on my second playthrough. That's the thing about opinions, they're irrelevant without analysis and knowledge.)
To be fair, I think that whilst Yahtzee does point out the stereotypical nature of the characters the fact that he couldn't be bothered to do his job and play the game means he doesn't see how they develop (and don't pretend they don't). FF13 seems to me to be the first FF to actually deal with characters that aren't 2D. Seldom during the series are any characters seen to change with events (beyond getting depressed for a bit and making your friends chase you around for a while). This isn't the case in FF13. Instead of just showing bland predictable reactions to events (Mum dies, get sad) the characters make meaningful decisions and develop actual relationships with the other characters.
Anyway, my point is this. Final Fantasy 13 is appallingly bad, yes, but there are signs of improvement from 12. If they'd just revert back to a system where I can have full control of all of my characters in battle and where I can roam the world and play mini-games and actually have fun then I'm pretty sure it would once again be "good". Then again, there are always the nostalgia tinted glasses to make people hate whatever comes next.
(Oh, and I thought FFX wasn't too bad. Appreciated it a lot more on my second playthrough. That's the thing about opinions, they're irrelevant without analysis and knowledge.)
It's about Yahtzee challenging a Final Fantasy game to hook him within 5 fucking hours, which is over 3/4ths the length of the average game, and watching Final Fantasy fail miserably - partly because Yahtzee's standards are obnoxiously high and partly because Final Fantasy games never learned what narrative pacing is.Tetranitrophenol said:
And that's what the video is about.
But that's not *just* what FF4 is about. At least you could tell what was going on without having to look up info on it, like I've had to do with FF13.Infalk said:
Im not quite sure that we are talking about the same brand of games here , I mean, this is not an FPS where all you have to know is to shoot anything with legs until the score pop-up shows up, or an RTS where you select all your units and command kill anything in a 20 mile radius, or even a Fighting game where...well, you just kill.Grand_Marquis said:
RPGs (ether J or W) are all about the story and its pacing. Pretty much all of the previous FF games, with the exeption of 10 & 12 of course, had a deep yet easy to follow story filled with more or less likable characters.
However, since FF10 the series has had a decline in character and story-pacing quality similar to the right side of a negative parabola.
I agree with your comment but don't generalize the whole series.
