Zero Punctuation: Guild Wars 2

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Toasty Virus said:
I sorta got the feeling he'd like it more than previous mmorpgs, seems more like his thing :D
no, it isnt. he still prefered WoW over it except for the subscription fee. Everything he praises in GW2 he is pointing out those are the "good ideas"

on the other hand, he then immediately counters that praise in that he feels an even larger waste of time in GW2 then in WoW because at least you feel like you are doing something with WoW
 

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Furrama said:
I was digging the personal story up until the "Vigil/Order/Priory bit" ended...
Actually I that was one other thing I didn't like abut the personal story. I found an issue with each faction that made me have to chose the lesser of three evils. Playing a thief, you'd think my natural place would be with the Order, but I didn't like how they were so hands-off and willing to let innocent people die while using that cockamamie "The Greater Good" argument some people use to justify doing what they know is wrong (or not doing what they know is right). Also, putting the dragons back to sleep? Really, that's the best the could come up with?

The Priory would've seemed like my second choice, but again, they seemed to have their noses buried in books too much to really do anything productive about the problem staring them in the face. I don't care about raiding tombs (unless there's a big titted woman with a sexy accent coming with me) when there's armies of the undead massing.

So that left me with the Vigil. As brick-dense and stupid as I think running straight at a giant dragon and his army of walking corpses is, at least it's something proactive and attempting to give people in harm's way some kind of protection. There's a time for research and a time to kick ass. And while the greater good does need to be kept in mind, if you spend all your time looking for the source of the water and don't plug any leaks, you'll be flooded up to your ass by the time you find it.
 

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RedFeather1975 said:
I felt the same way Furrama. The personal story starts off as being about your character, but then it moves toward plopping your character in the backseat and letting NPCs take the spotlight to get it done and over with faster. Made me feel like a gear in someone else's clock. Is why I couldn't finish the story.
That's not what I was saying at all. I don't mind taking a back seat, but they try to have it both ways. At first you're so awesome that world leaders sit up and take notice. Then you rise to a really high level in your chosen order really really fast, even over those who should have seniority, (I don't think this should have happened after you were promoted from recruit). Then Mr. T shows up. It makes story sense that you should be his second and not in command, but it breaks this flow they've had up to that point. But at the same time it would feel really really ridiculous for you to be leading the combined orders. All the dungeons are set up to be about Destiny's Edge, and I love those for the most part. But I feel as though we shouldn't be quite "so" special so early on, only to drift into the faceless mass of Tyria to be an important cog. This is an MMO after all, I don't mind being an important cog, but it feels disjointed.

They need to better balance you being a singular competent trustworthy person and being part of a unit with buddies and allies that grow strong together. That and pacing.
 

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The Gentleman said:
Clearly you've forgotten the order of how to address boredom:

1) Wank

2) Learn how to read

3) Commune with the netherworld

4) Wank some more

I'm surprised more peasants don't make it past #1.
peasants and to be more precise farmers to me seem to be the the most likely to commune with dark powers, after all what else do you have to think about when you are slaughtering sheep or pulling weeds.
 

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DugMachine said:
Still have yet to buy it. Was pretty hyped then I sort of lost all interest. Also, I heard there is no real end game and that's kind of a deal breaker with me. But of course this is all by word of mouth and I'm not too sure so maybe someday i'll try it out.

Good video, as always.
this is also by word of mouth so take it with a grain of salt, but people on youtube (namely jesse cox and wowcrendor) have been playing it a lot and said that the journey to endgame was a bit of a letdown, with some of the final bosses not being that interesting. but once you reach endgame it gets much more interesting. also the meat of the game is the pvp, which is supposedly done better here than in any other game
 

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Mike Fang said:
Furrama said:
I was digging the personal story up until the "Vigil/Order/Priory bit" ended...
Actually I that was one other thing I didn't like abut the personal story. I found an issue with each faction that made me have to chose the lesser of three evils. Playing a thief, you'd think my natural place would be with the Order, but I didn't like how they were so hands-off and willing to let innocent people die while using that cockamamie "The Greater Good" argument some people use to justify doing what they know is wrong (or not doing what they know is right). Also, putting the dragons back to sleep? Really, that's the best the could come up with?

The Priory would've seemed like my second choice, but again, they seemed to have their noses buried in books too much to really do anything productive about the problem staring them in the face. I don't care about raiding tombs (unless there's a big titted woman with a sexy accent coming with me) when there's armies of the undead massing.

So that left me with the Vigil. As brick-dense and stupid as I think running straight at a giant dragon and his army of walking corpses is, at least it's something proactive and attempting to give people in harm's way some kind of protection. There's a time for research and a time to kick ass. And while the greater good does need to be kept in mind, if you spend all your time looking for the source of the water and don't plug any leaks, you'll be flooded up to your ass by the time you find it.
If you go through each order you generally find they're not exactly what they appear on the surface, or even how the other orders describe them. The Vigil aren't stupid. The Priory aren't that smart, and they can be quite caring of others. The Order of Whispers isn't a bunch of backstabbing do nothing shadow dwellers. They want to take the path that will lead to the least bloodshed.

Also at this point in the story no one is sure that they can kill the dragons. They're more forces of nature, and the only way the order figures they can be stopped is trying to put the "forces of nature" back to sleep.
 

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00slash00 said:
DugMachine said:
Still have yet to buy it. Was pretty hyped then I sort of lost all interest. Also, I heard there is no real end game and that's kind of a deal breaker with me. But of course this is all by word of mouth and I'm not too sure so maybe someday i'll try it out.

Good video, as always.
this is also by word of mouth so take it with a grain of salt, but people on youtube (namely jesse cox and wowcrendor) have been playing it a lot and said that the journey to endgame was a bit of a letdown, with some of the final bosses not being that interesting. but once you reach endgame it gets much more interesting. also the meat of the game is the pvp, which is supposedly done better here than in any other game
End game is fine, and the journey isn't all that bad either. Best I've seen in an MMO, but not too good for a single player game if that makes any sense. There are no proper raids if that's what constitutes and end game for you. Besides sPVP and WvW, which are good, there are also hard mode explorable dungeons. You can fight the big world bosses when they spawn with tons of people. Do whatever you want really.
 

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Felkes said:
Oh Yahtzee, you poor man. You never got out of the "getting to know your character" bit of the personal story to actually get into the meat of the game. Skill points are more valuable than just "I want only these skills, there I have them" (30 sp cost for 2nd tier elites is a *****).

It was a funny review, but I'd have liked a more informed opinion of it. Maybe one from someone who made it past level 25. =/
i feel your pain. the first witcher game was one of my favorite rpgs when i was in college. he played it for like 2 hours before deciding that the game sucks and quit
 

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Deathfish15 said:
I feel like Yatzee didn't play the game past the 30's. Because, in the early zones it is kind of weak and the threats aren't there so much, but in the later zones they're all over the place. In the 50-60 zones, for example, the corruption from the Elder Dragons is everywhere, and the minions are vicious. So, it's gradual progression.


Also, even at the end of the 1-15 zones there is a giant boss monster to fight. For Yatzee, this should have been a demon from the underworld summoned through a portal in the swamp. So, why didn't he mention that fight? It's epic and makes you feel like a hero.
Err, no there isn't. I'm not sure where you dreamed this but I've 100% all 5 starter zones and never saw that. Are you thinking of the giant monster at the end of the level 1 zone? Even so I suspect he played for 5 or so hours and didn't check his mail and thus never did his personal story missions so there's little chance he'd have bumped into that.
 

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I think that Yhatzee's review on this game was aimed towards "non mumorpegers". And I suspect he didn't even reached max level before quitting.

Personally, I've been sold to this game since the earliest announcements in 2007 (and I'm still a huge fan of the first game), I'm kinda busy with The Secret World right now (seriously awesome game), but that with no sub fees and being an overall great game, I'll have to save up a bit to get this game ASAP.
 

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Rack said:
Deathfish15 said:
I feel like Yatzee didn't play the game past the 30's. Because, in the early zones it is kind of weak and the threats aren't there so much, but in the later zones they're all over the place. In the 50-60 zones, for example, the corruption from the Elder Dragons is everywhere, and the minions are vicious. So, it's gradual progression.


Also, even at the end of the 1-15 zones there is a giant boss monster to fight. For Yatzee, this should have been a demon from the underworld summoned through a portal in the swamp. So, why didn't he mention that fight? It's epic and makes you feel like a hero.
Err, no there isn't. I'm not sure where you dreamed this but I've 100% all 5 starter zones and never saw that. Are you thinking of the giant monster at the end of the level 1 zone? Even so I suspect he played for 5 or so hours and didn't check his mail and thus never did his personal story missions so there's little chance he'd have bumped into that.
Deathfish is talking about Shadow Behemoth. It's the meta boss in level 1-15 human starter zone. It is entirely possible to never know about it, since it doesn't appear often. Here's a video of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwf-zUHWafs
Meta chain-event bosses require somethings to happen before they appear, but I'm not sure if people have figured out exactly what for each area.
 

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Rack said:
Deathfish15 said:
I feel like Yatzee didn't play the game past the 30's. Because, in the early zones it is kind of weak and the threats aren't there so much, but in the later zones they're all over the place. In the 50-60 zones, for example, the corruption from the Elder Dragons is everywhere, and the minions are vicious. So, it's gradual progression.


Also, even at the end of the 1-15 zones there is a giant boss monster to fight. For Yatzee, this should have been a demon from the underworld summoned through a portal in the swamp. So, why didn't he mention that fight? It's epic and makes you feel like a hero.
Err, no there isn't. I'm not sure where you dreamed this but I've 100% all 5 starter zones and never saw that. Are you thinking of the giant monster at the end of the level 1 zone? Even so I suspect he played for 5 or so hours and didn't check his mail and thus never did his personal story missions so there's little chance he'd have bumped into that.
Yes, there is. It's called the Shadow Behemoth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFKFqzRhXKs

There's also one in the Sylvari starting zone, it's a giant worm. The Asura starting zone has the Fire Elemental. The Norn has the ice shaman dude. The Charr have the fire Shaman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIvCORxKXoA


So ya, each one of those starting zones have a giant monster. Those aren't the only zones with bosses, most all zones have meta-events that have bosses, some having 2-3 bosses.
 

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omg, Deathfish15... that Fire Elemental is beyond cruel. I saw it once and all I saw was dead characters all over the place. And soon I joined them. XD
 

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GenGenners said:
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Very circus themed this week. Did he meet a clown at the expo?
You can actually choose that circucs thing as a backstory, when you're making a character.
Wait.........seriously?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Biography#Human
The "Missed Opportunity" in the 2nd slot. I was baffled too when I made a human o_O
 

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so basically you want a lot of story but you don't want to get it through:

-in game text
-novels
-outside info (wiki, previous games in the series)

you didn't comment on NPC chatter, but I'm guessing you're not too keen on that either.

That pretty much just leaves cut scenes, right? is that what you want, hours and hours of cut scenes?
 

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Steve the Pocket said:
Strange that they're releasing an MMO that's a sequel to another MMO; you don't generally see that.
Yeah, EverQuest did that as well, but it seems like the industry has decided that's not the way to go.

Also, please tell me I'm not the only one that got a Guild Wars 2 ad before the video.

It would make me sad if I was the only one to enjoy the juxtaposition. :)
 

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lol that's actually a pretty funny start up story being a small town kid who becomes a necromancer :p yep that's typical