Wait. What? So if a game is multiplayer only it is judged by that standard but if it has any single player mode the multiplayer side can/should be ignored entirely? How the what?Andy of Comix Inc said:
Zero Punctuation: Halo: Reach
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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That said what Yatzhee said about the game is true. They do have the same storyline and have annoying camera angles but let me ask you this. If you had to write a new storyline for this game what would you make it. It has to make sense with the setting in the future and needs to make sense with all the other sequels of the game. if you can do that then i will personally not play games that you think are bad and play the games you like or do no gaming at all.
True story: when I first clicked on the video, the number of comments in this thread was 343.
Oh, and Reach isn't the beginning of the human-covenant war. The war had been going on for 20 years at that point, and humanity has been getting f'd up the a. The reason everybody seems to know that they're doomed is because the *DO* know that they're doomed.
Oh, and Reach isn't the beginning of the human-covenant war. The war had been going on for 20 years at that point, and humanity has been getting f'd up the a. The reason everybody seems to know that they're doomed is because the *DO* know that they're doomed.
A game with a focus on multiplayer can have a crappy single player mode (UT3, StarCraft) just like a game with a focus on single player mode can have a crappy multiplayer (BioShock 2, Uncharted 2). You shouldn't judge a game on only one without even considering the other.Andy of Comix Inc said:
I think you need to read this comic:Flamezdudes said:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/5/
Soooo... He thinks the game is mediocre?
....he can't possibly like it
[small]that's impossible[/small]
On a side note: Never heard of Oni.
I feel so young now.
....he can't possibly like it
[small]that's impossible[/small]
On a side note: Never heard of Oni.
I feel so young now.
no forge, custom games, multiplayer or firefight review. I guess multiplayer is sorta understandable why he didn't review it but come on the others are all playable by yourself or even with buddies in real life.
Yahtzee... what you don't have is an understanding of the Halo storyline... at all. What you do have is an amazing sense of humor that completely outweighs and makes up for any downfalls you may have had. I myself am a Halo fanboy as much as you're probably a SH fanboy, and I'm okay admitting that. And I still love your videos. Keep doing what you do best, and I'll keep enjoying every minute of it. BTW, Reach isn't at the start of the Human-Covenant War, it's about 50 years into it. I know you don't care, but I can't help but point that out. 
Also, 343 Industries is in charge of Halo now, so it's not that there won't be any more HALO games... it's just that this was the last one by Bungie. So yeah, it's a complete sellout and capitalization on the fan base, yeah it's never going to end when it probably should have, and yeah... I'm probably going to continue to buy and play the games.
Also, 343 Industries is in charge of Halo now, so it's not that there won't be any more HALO games... it's just that this was the last one by Bungie. So yeah, it's a complete sellout and capitalization on the fan base, yeah it's never going to end when it probably should have, and yeah... I'm probably going to continue to buy and play the games. 
your taking it out of context by not including the fact they grew to like it.MonkeyPunch said:
you made a statement basically saying they were forced and without the context its like your saying they were forced and didn't like it.
but in reality they were asked to add the title and did, didn't like it then grew to like it.
Ok, before I say anything, I liked the game, a lot. But honestly, Yahtzee did make very good points, and he was a lot more merciful than I expected him to be.
Honestly, seeing that he decided to actually review this game put the fear of god into my heart, atheism aside.
I disagreed on a lot of this, as was expected, being a halo fan, but that thing about the fanbase?
Absolutely totally true in every way about 98% or so of them. So sick of the idiots, but honestly, that happens in any game with online multiplayer or a following of any size.
Honestly, seeing that he decided to actually review this game put the fear of god into my heart, atheism aside.
I disagreed on a lot of this, as was expected, being a halo fan, but that thing about the fanbase?
Absolutely totally true in every way about 98% or so of them. So sick of the idiots, but honestly, that happens in any game with online multiplayer or a following of any size.
Well there is the online multiplayer and there is the lan multiplayer, which is just as fun when you have a couple of buddies to play with. He should have still reviewed co-op, firefight multiplayer and competitive multiplayer. Plus when you buy a halo game, you know that halo is mostly about the multiplayerScarecrow 8 said:
Assuming a game has an actual story mode (and not some trumped-up bot match), then, yeah, I think you can focus like a laser-beam on the single player mode, because there's a lot of people who are going to be doing just that.james castle said:
The most glaring exceptions I see to this rule are on-line tournament games (Unreal Tournament or Quake Arena), which have a single player campaign which is a glorified tutorial for the on-line experience... although I was quite the fan of Unreal Tournament without going on-line with it, because it did deliver the thrills of multiplayer to the single player. Then you have the Co-Op horde levels like Left 4 Dead, which, unless I'm mistaken, has no single player story. In both of these cases, the almost sole focus was multi-player and as long as the reviewer makes it quite clear that there's no real single player game here, then judging them as a multiplayer-only experience is cool.
Games like Halo and Quake are very focused on multiplayer and it's probably no surprise that I take a dim view of their single player campaigns, because what makes a wonderfully balanced MP experience pretty much bores me to tears in single player. I don't want a rocket launcher that is perfectly balanced with the assault rifle... I want a rocket launcher that helps me mow through the hordes of super-tough baddies that ought to be showing up late in the game. I want a rocket launcher that is my one and only hope against a rampaging Cyber-Demon. And, ultimately, MP focused games tend to give us the same-old, same-old in single player. An assault rifle, a shotgun, a rocket launcher, a sniper rifle, maybe some alien equivalents... and I want shrink rays and cannons and voodoo dolls.
Wait a minute... You don't even have a spare controller or something like that?Scarecrow 8 said:
I never got into Halo nor understood it.. It was Xbox exclusive and came out a year later on PC when it was dull, silly and obsolete.
This being the major Xbox selling point because it was exclusive and all.. the whole idea of getting excited in a multiplayer world around a bunch of kids with semi-aimbots always kind of confused me..
It's kinda like playing poker with everybody gotting a behind mirror... you always know what the other party is doing
This being the major Xbox selling point because it was exclusive and all.. the whole idea of getting excited in a multiplayer world around a bunch of kids with semi-aimbots always kind of confused me..
It's kinda like playing poker with everybody gotting a behind mirror... you always know what the other party is doing