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El_Chubba_Chubba

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actually i could see the difference in those comparison pics, and crysis isnt bland??? go to specsavers, they have really good deals on or maybe even this could help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cnlz56pKlg,

And yeh that gears of world war 2 things is right, but it still makes a good game, even if there is way to much not needed swearing, and really big character cliches, thats wat killzone is. Even the name is corny (or is it cheezy, cant remember the difference)

Maybe if someone mixed all the games in the world u wood end up with a sweaty hand connected to a horny teenage geek.
 

Treblaine

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Major Tom said:
You know, my eyes usually gloss over when the comparitive screen shots are pulled out. I really can't tell the difference between which one has a higher resolution or which has more polys. Maybe it's because things start to get fuzzy beyond 30cm of my face without my glasses, but the only thing I notice when you get over 1024x768 is that the text gets too bloody small.

Honestly, art and design are far more important to me than resolution, and in that respect both Killzone 2 and Crysis look pretty bland to me.
Well Crysis has a lot of things going for it other than graphics:
-open world interaction such as setting up as well as escaping from ambushes
-the Nano Suit with on the fly stat switching with Armour, Speed, Cloak and most fun... Strength, toss and punch things all over the map
-varied enemies (I don't think the aliens are a secret any more)
-Amazing physics engine
-Real time Map editor
-Active and vibrant mod community
-Aggressive and realistic AI
-You can carry more than one weapon at once

KZ2 has... err, a cover system?
 

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A pretty good review. I remember playing HotD3 in a seaside arcade and finding the hardest part of it having to insert 50p every time I wanted to keep playing :p

I'm a PS3 owner, and having played Killzone 2, I don't really care about it. I seriously don't get all the praise FPS games get - they're all basically ripping off each other and occasionally inserting a stupid, game-unbalancing gimmick (coughHaze).
 

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Well as to what I expect from Killzone 2, it gets off its high horse and stop acting like it is the second coming of christ, it is an average shooter at best.

A single weapon IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT realistic, a perfect example is wielding an anti-tank rocket launcher, even the lowest grunt would always be expected to have his rifle with him and not expected to run into the fold without a proper weapon to defend themself:



And how the hell is it realistic to issue a 6 shot revolver as a back up weapon anyway? They should have a 15-20 shot automatic pistols, no army has issued a revolver since the First World War, magnum or not it is a ridiculous weapon to issue to front line troops. Actually a far better weapons would be this that was made specifically for this scenario:


MP7 is similar weight and length as a magnum revolver used in the game, only far far more effective.

Also, Sev is not a "regular grunt" as it is quite clear he does not stick close with his platoon and rarely even stays with his 4 man squad, often it is him fighting alone, he can't say "Cover me While I go and Look for a Rocket Launcher then Get into Position to Shoot It!!!!" he has to take the initiative himself and have both weapons. He is ordered to go on extraordinary missions with very little support, if that isn't special forces, he is at least some sort of commando trooper.

Also, what is with the no under-barrel grenade launcher, it is practically standard issue in modern armies now and was even in Killzone 1, wtf happened? There are also pump action under barrel shotguns for assault rifles now, is there a new wave of minimalism taken over armies of the future or is the ISA just run by a bunch of cheap bastards?

It is also common for a sniper, especially a lone sniper, to carry a secondary weapon like a submachine gun for close in self defence. Take Simo Häyhä, A Finnish war Hero who killed over 700 invading soviet troops in only 100 days, over 200 of those killed were by his submachine gun. He also got shot in the head yet still had the presence of mind to shoot his attacker before slipping into a coma. Yes, he did all this without regenerating health or save checkpoints, history's bona fide badass.

So you ask what I want in a video game? There is the phrase "less is more" but sometimes less is quite simply less, GG removed and reduced FAR too much from the regular formula and polished it in all the wrong places. Halo was a revolution as it got rid of all the clutter of having 10-20 weapons, purifying it by forcing you to try and get two weapons to complement each other, learn how to use them in combination. COD and many other games would follow but with only one weapon as in KZ2, there is no synergy, there is no mixing and matching like shotgun up close then rifle for a long shot, you just stick to the most vanilla weapon in the game and never put it down, ie the M82.

GG seems to entirely miss the point of what makes shooters enjoyable and brings nothing new to the table.
quite long.... But then again. Have you even touched multiplayer? Cause this seems like an endless rant about KZ2. Yes, it's got some valid points, but the pistol rant? Have you even taken a look at the Helghast pistol?
As for the only 1 main weapon thing. It's still a game, remember? You play by it's rules, or you simply don't play.

And, you say you want to see underbarrel g-launchers etc. Then why the fuck would you put down that M82 you love soo much if it had a fucking 1 click kill button attached to it aswell? You wouldn't. Hell, just look at CoD. Howmany people like to be blowed away by those noobish M203 or rifle nades? IMHO, the entire weapon rant you have here, is just plain ridiculous.
 

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Damn! Yahtzee is so anti-Nintendo, why can he not see Microsoft for all their evil corporationy ways! But that rant was good anyway, I actually want to play Overkill now!
 

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quite long.... But then again. Have you even touched multiplayer? Cause this seems like an endless rant about KZ2. Yes, it's got some valid points, but the pistol rant? Have you even taken a look at the Helghast pistol?
As for the only 1 main weapon thing. It's still a game, remember? You play by it's rules, or you simply don't play.

And, you say you want to see underbarrel g-launchers etc. Then why the fuck would you put down that M82 you love soo much if it had a fucking 1 click kill button attached to it aswell? You wouldn't. Hell, just look at CoD. Howmany people like to be blowed away by those noobish M203 or rifle nades? IMHO, the entire weapon rant you have here, is just plain ridiculous.
As to the "Don't like it, Don't buy it" there is some merit to that but considering how much the game is lauded as the epitome of perfection I feel the need to expose the game for what it is as it seems everyone is being caught up in all the hype and marketing surrounding it.

Anyway, a grenade launcher is not that game unbalancing, I mean you have a multi-shot grenade launcher in the SP and MP of Killzone 2 yet it is not considered noobish, why not have a single shot grenade launcher yet still the ability to shoot bullets at lone or enemies too close. Also you would not use the grenades all the time for one hit kills as the slow arcing trajectory means you can't hit a moving target and in close quarters the blast is as likely to kill you as your opponent. These scenarios are perfect to have a rifle but then have a grenade to clear out those happy campers.

On the pistol front, the revolver in the single player is weak as hell, it takes 4 shots to the chest to kill, apparently the Helghast pistol is exactly half the power but double the capacity and fire rate yet just as slow reloading. And you can't even use the Helghast pistol in single player.

I will rent a copy of Killzone 2 as soon as I can just for the multiplayer to confirm my assertions but I have a feeling it is going to be as big a waste of time as renting Battlefield: Bad Company or any other mediocre shooter, just to prove what it is.
 

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It's funny to watch halo's mentioned and its stupid over hyped over rated gaylo trash, well Gears of world war 2 is also stupid over hyped over rated trash, and they will say how can killzone 2 be over rated its great, oh crap to clever for me these ones Sony fan boys are the most smartest of them all.

I loled at this from lasherman I hate when yahtzee suggests Killzone is ripping of Gears of War (Gears of World War Two?). Killzone 1 came out about 2 years before gears of war 1.

"Yo man Epic games thats like the real deal "kindof lol" nah they are really, they dont rip none of Killzone's crap pooh shit. Anyway if you dont know this and you think like that proves my first point. Anyway man go play Gears of world war 2 and i'll play gears of war which is cheaper and been out for longer. And yahtzee was wrong about people complaning about the game price inflation min wage in aussie is like 15 bucks and hour in US its 6.50 so even though the dollar is like 60 us cents we get paid twice as much so there you go actually its about even or cheaper for us to buy games, just thought id add that useless piece of information.
 

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quickpaw said:
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Well that was blatantly yet another anti Nintendo rant. God Yahtzee is such a fanboy.

Edit: Well I've clearly kicked a wasps nest here.
I think he just doesn't like Nintendo, if every time somebody doesn't like something we call them a fanboy then what does the word mean?
I have no problem with him disliking Nintendo, what annoys me is the fact that every single chance he gets he insults Nintendo while complimenting the other two consoles. It happens consistently throughout his videos.
I'm quite sure he only does in in videos related to Nintendo in some way.
I'm quite sure that it happens in videos completly unrelated to Nintendo.
Even if he does theat doesn't make him a fanboy, hell I'm starting to think you may be.
To the extent he does it yes it does make him a fanboy. Oh and nice and mature, instead of arguing with me you've just resorted to mud slinging.
I said I thought you were acting like a fanboy, do you see every thought that is not what you belive as an attack?

Because thats how it looks.
 

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Good review brilliant as all ways
But i think you need to stop beign kinda arrgoant and killzone 2 a chance it's a really good game and has got brilliant review not saying that you have to but nice to see you giving it a chance
 

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Treblaine said:
WaffleGod said:
quite long.... But then again. Have you even touched multiplayer? Cause this seems like an endless rant about KZ2. Yes, it's got some valid points, but the pistol rant? Have you even taken a look at the Helghast pistol?
As for the only 1 main weapon thing. It's still a game, remember? You play by it's rules, or you simply don't play.

And, you say you want to see underbarrel g-launchers etc. Then why the fuck would you put down that M82 you love soo much if it had a fucking 1 click kill button attached to it aswell? You wouldn't. Hell, just look at CoD. Howmany people like to be blowed away by those noobish M203 or rifle nades? IMHO, the entire weapon rant you have here, is just plain ridiculous.
As to the "Don't like it, Don't buy it" there is some merit to that but considering how much the game is lauded as the epitome of perfection I feel the need to expose the game for what it is as it seems everyone is being caught up in all the hype and marketing surrounding it.

Anyway, a grenade launcher is not that game unbalancing, I mean you have a multi-shot grenade launcher in the SP and MP of Killzone 2 yet it is not considered noobish, why not have a single shot grenade launcher yet still the ability to shoot bullets at lone or enemies too close. Also you would not use the grenades all the time for one hit kills as the slow arcing trajectory means you can't hit a moving target and in close quarters the blast is as likely to kill you as your opponent. These scenarios are perfect to have a rifle but then have a grenade to clear out those happy campers.

On the pistol front, the revolver in the single player is weak as hell, it takes 4 shots to the chest to kill, apparently the Helghast pistol is exactly half the power but double the capacity and fire rate yet just as slow reloading. And you can't even use the Helghast pistol in single player.

I will rent a copy of Killzone 2 as soon as I can just for the multiplayer to confirm my assertions but I have a feeling it is going to be as big a waste of time as renting Battlefield: Bad Company or any other mediocre shooter, just to prove what it is.
You know, I agree with you on the "perfection" thing. But then again, all those reviewers who gave it perfect scores, are the same idiots who gave Halo 3 perfect scores. Neither of these games are perfect, but they sure are very good games. A perfect game simply doesn't exist IMHO.

As for the pistol. You CAN get the Helghast pistol in single player, you just got to find an enemy who has one.

And, if you haven't played the multiplayer yet. Then why are you commenting about it? I've played it fairly enough to get a decent view of it, and I must say. It borrows features of all the games that it needs, puts it in a blender, and gives you a very fun multiplayer experience. It's just not a Halo, resistance or CoD run&gun fast gameplay shooter a lot of gamers want it to be.

The only thing I don't really like is the accuracy of the weapons. The bullets don't hit directly where you put the crosshair (even if you zoom in), so taking down targets behind cover from 200+ metres is going to be a pain in the ass if you don't have a sniperrifle.
 

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WaffleGod said:


The only thing I don't really like is the accuracy of the weapons. The bullets don't hit directly where you put the crosshair (even if you zoom in), so taking down targets behind cover from 200+ metres is going to be a pain in the ass if you don't have a sniperrifle.
I tried aiming an AK47 once in Cambodia. At a target about 100 metres away, aiming down the sight didn't hit a single bodypart! I'm probably just very bad at aiming!