Zero Punctuation: Left 4 Dead 2 & New Super Mario Bros Wii

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Abyss Master

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I like how Yahtzee never actually says something about whether either game is fun or not. All you hear is some whining about originality, or innovation (both from him and from this thread), and quite honestly I'm starting to grow tired of it. Innovation does not translate to good. Innovation is a way to find more good stuff. It's not a way to make good stuff better. NSMBW didn't have new gameplay? Who the f*** gives a shit? Doesn't it have new worlds? Yes? Doesn't it have new power-ups? Yes? Doesn't it have a whole new way of playing the goddamn game (i.e. the multiplayer)? Yes? Then what the f*** are people complaining about? That you run to the right while jumping/swimming/spinning to get past obstacles?

I know how Yahtzee feels about multiplayer, but he's honestly complaining about what he believes is a co-operative multiplayer but what is in fact just as much a competitive multiplayer. Don't feel like working together? Fine, play against each other. Screw each other over. That was the whole marketing point of NSMBW to begin with. Co-op or competitive. Single player or multiplayer. A single matter of just two people playing together (ah yes, it seems that you don't even have to be four to play this game, so if you feel that four are too many then that still isn't a problem).

All I hear about NSMBW here is how it's not original, but to me that says jack shit about how good the game actually is, which is oddly absent from the review itself as well. No-one has actually come up and said that the game sucks. That it's boring. That it's in any way less than a great game. I've only heard the opposite. Yahtzee says that "this shit won't fly". It's already flying. It's flying high, high, high. People have been wanting 2D Mario since Super Mario World, and that is the reason why it has triumphed this "gameplay innovation" Yahtzee is nagging about.

Innovation is not the be-all-end-all of gaming, and even then you can't say that NSMBW has been done all before, because that would be a flat out lie. Unlike Modern Warfare 2, NSMBW is an experience entirely different from NSMB, SMB 3, SMW or any previous 2D or 3D Mario game.

I'm just glad I watch Yahtzee because he's funny, and not because he's got gaming words of wisdom, because if it was the latter then I'd be gone already. Much of what he said in this review has already been said by countless forum dwellers before him (except for the whole "this shit won't fly" thing). All he did was sprinkle funny things over them, and that is afterall the main appeal with Yahtzee. He's funny. Even if you think he's spewing bullshit. And this review was pretty funny, if just messed up a little. He's done double-reviews (or even multi-reviews) before, but this is honestly the first time where he jumps back and forth between the games, and that makes it messy. Like trying to watch two TV shows at the same time by switching between channels.
 

The_Toony

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Jennacide said:
I'm facepalming so hard at this thread, with people lauding and defending what Nintendo does, and then agreeing that L4D2 was 'too soon.' Go back to your copypasta Mario and Zelda games, the rest of us have grown out of Nintendo's bullshit.

/me is ironically wearing a Nintendo Rehab tee.
What does Nintendo "do"? keep old franchises going (Mario, Zelda) while exploring new territory and trying to get more people to game (Wiisports, Wiifit, etc) and try catering to more than just a hardcore fanbase? So terrible! I see nothing wrong with what Nintendo is doing. Heck, atleast Nintendo does several genres as oppossed to Valve which basically does just one. I don't hate Valve, but I don't see them as any better than Nintendo. And I don't get all the Nintendo hate people have. Nothing wrong with some Nostalgic games.

And I felt L4D2 was released too soon because it A. made everyone who bought L4D1 feel like they paid for a beta. B. Killed the community for L4D1. Forcing everyone to either buy L4D2 or good luck finding people to play with.

I'm also loling hard at the people whining that Nintendo dares to use a successful franchise like Mario, and then asking when Valves gonna release HL2:EP 3.

I really don't even understand why the hardcore crowd who generally don't even own a Wii, cares what Nintendo does. Is it because Nintendos more successful than the companies releasing rehashes?

And yeah, if you wanna talk rehashes I'd like you to meet my friends Activision and EA.
 

Eremiel

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ace_of_something said:
Hmmm Bowser can breathe fire and stomp a lot. The tank can stomp a lot and jump really far.... Well being able to jump really far has defeated Bowser for 20 years so the Tank would obviously win.
Best way to kill a tank is to set it on fire.

Bowser would win.

[edit]Also, New Super Mario Bros Wii is actually tons of fun. It plays a bit like Mario Bros 3, but is that honestly a bad thing?
 

LazyAza

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Oh man I dont think anyone could have said it better than Yahtzee. Awesome reviews I completely agree with.
I've always viewed Nintendo as an abuser of its customers so I'm not surprised at all that their latest Mario is the same tired old shit but with rage inducing co-op. As for L4d2, I only recently started playing the original with some friends so skrew shelling out more money for an expansion pack labeled as a full game.
 
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Shiva H Vishnu.

I have never heard a more delightfully acerbic and bitter shredding of a game since ... actually I think this review has finally toppled the idea that Yahtzee cannot better himself.

11/10. Sheer unadulterated brilliance. Yahtzee should get flu more often if this is how he comes out of it.

Root's Seal of Approval on this.
 

danosaurus

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Good review. I was so excited about Super Mario Wii, when I got it, I was disappointed that they managed to basically only rehash Super Mario 3 and allow 4 players.
Not that Super Mario 3 was bad.. but like... I played the balls off that game already.

Oh and while I disagree on his view of L4D2, he still made some hilarious points and an even funnier credits animation.
GODDAMN HUNTERS!
 

jimClassic

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I like Sew Buper Wario Nros. Bii. It's a fun game. And the co-op is a cluster fuck of insane enjoyment.
Much better than Yahtzee's portraying it. But then again he didn't like GhostBusters much or Smash Bros. Brawl much either...
 

Canadamus Prime

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Still given a choice between the two of them, I'd go with the new Mario game. In fact I think I will.
 

Andronicus

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Don't worry Yahtzee, I'll be your friend! :)

I think putting two games into the same review is a little bit of a cop-out, meaning you'll only have to do half as much work searching for things to complain about in each game, but it was still entertaining to say the least. Besides, I suppose you could be forgiven for trying to do as many reviews as possible, seeing as Chrissy is coming and there are a bunch of new releases coming out. I hope you'll try to stick to one game at a time from now on though.
 

Pendragon9

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I agree with him on alot of these points. Especially on New Super Mario BRothers Wii.

however, I guess I enjoy that they didn't change much. It's really nice on the nostalgia.
 

Deofuta

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Wow i seem to be getting that horrible neurotic disease where you start to know almost exactly what Yahtzee is about to say before the review starts. I agree on all parts with the left 4 dead 2 review. I can not wait to purchase/steal/ beat down a hooker to obtain and play this game. Mario seems to be a big *rent* for me. I'll probably be playing it single player, because it just seems to roll better that way.
 

Skizle

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In the words of my friend, this is how he describes Gabe Newell and the development of HL2 Ep3:
"Programing games is hard! If you leave me alone then it will be finished. Can we buy another mod to buy some more time?"

also whats with Nintendo releasing games designed to have some one to three players dead by the end of the night? (FF Crystal Cronicals, The Four Swords, and now this)
 

Joey245

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Heh, that was just what I needed to lift me from the depths of a crappy day.

My favorite quote:

"As the skeptical friend said to the inventor of the Feces-powered helicoptor, 'This Sh*t will not fly!'"

Oh, Gosh, that made the video for me. Excellent work, as always.
 

The Great JT

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Anything to make the fanboys and idiots contemplate, eh Yahtzee?

Fine, fine. I'll play your game, ya rogue. Tank kills Bowser. He flattens King Koopa easy after he knocks the scaly green goon on his back.
 

atomicmrpelly

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So true about Nintendo. It's just tragic that they have suhc a loyal fanbase who seem to just lay back and take it. But then I suppose they're shooting themselves in the foot because when those fans grow out of gaming they'll be left with nothing!


Also I agree, where the hell is HL2Ep3?!