Zero Punctuation: Medal of Honor Warfighter & Doom 3 BFG Edition

[Gone Rampant]

what have EA released again that wasn't complete doodie?

Bad Company 2, Dead Space 3, ME2 and 3, uhh...

Why am I defending EA?

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Awesome job. I thought I got used to Yahtzee's humor and haven't laughed this much at a yellow-backgrounded internet video in a long time!

 

[Trishbot]

I almost feel like the people who made Warfighter played Spec Ops: The Line and then said "everything this game says is bad, we're going to do without a hint of irony."

 

[Dfskelleton]

I am definitely going to start referring to those games as "Spunkgargleweewees".

I too have been playing Doom 3: BFG Edition, on 'Veteran' difficulty. It's a lot more fun than I remember it.

 

[OZITOMAI]

couldnt help but agree and laugh with what you said yahtzee

 

[Lonewolfm16]

Yahtzee has repeatedly said that having better tech makes killing people wrong... I don't get it, seriously how does being the superior fighters mean that everything you do is morally terrible? Have we switched to a movie based system of morality where the scrappy under-dogds are always the good guys and the rich, skilled, constantly winning sports team is invariably evil?

 

[Hutzpah Chicken]

All the fabulous titles released in the Spunkgargleweewee genre continually convince me to never stop playing Half-Life.

 

[Grach]

"Paranoid American power fantasy"? Sorry, I just don't agree. Portraying a war through the eyes of Americans while portraying the Americans positively is not the same as a power fantasy.

Also, taking military action to stop Osama bin Laden was definitely justified, it's just the way it was handled as well as the war in Iraq which were questionable.

The bottom line is, I'm not down with the idea of throwing away the entire concept of military shooters just because there's been too many of them trying to copy Call of Duty. There is potential for good storytelling and gameplay within the context of modern war, and I think that potential is too good to squander. Just wait until ArmA III comes out - that isn't going to be a Call of Duty clone.

1) Yeah, except these kind of games and their fanbase are far mor interested in either a gun show with top of the range military hardware, or simply in it for the ride. I thought COD was going to be kind of like Spec Ops: The Line, until MW2 came along.

2) Taking military action may be necessary and frankly I rather be dealing with midly racist americans than head chopping talibans. I personally hate the taliban so fucking much, ruining the reputation of millions while wearing the same irony blinkers as Hitler.

3) But you still have to admit, the concept is played out WAY too much. It's suffering the same syndrome as the World War 2 it helped dethrone. Frankly I hope at least future warfare will bring something interesting.
ARMA has always had it's little bubble and I doubt it will break out from it.

 

[Warped_Ghost]

It's funny how people accuse him of not liking shooter when some of the games he give the most praise (Half-Life and Painkiller) are shooters.

I'm going to accuse him of not liking survival horror games for the bad review he gave Resident Evil 5.

I guess none of the titles he reviewed seems appealing to me. I guess I like modern shooters a tad more than he does, but only because he really, really hates them. Hilarious as always though.

The problem is he doesn't play multiplayer. Which is what those spark gunkle wee wee games focus on. I would hate all modern shooter if I only played the single player as well because FFS they are all hopelessly boring and identical.

 

[51gunner]

I'm pretty sure we have a word for 'warfighter'. They're called soldiers. -.-

Warfighter is a generic term applying to soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen, etc. Don't call a marine a soldier unless you want to piss them off, and vice versa. It's a slightly more professional word than "troops" and shorter than writing all of the above. It's more that the title is using a somewhat obscure term than anything.

Might not bother with this game if he put it down after an hour and a half though. Normally he at least finishes a game, no matter how iffy.

 

[FallenMessiah88]

Yeah, Doom 3 really was a good game. I'm definitely getting the Doom 3 BFG Edition. Hopefully Doom 4 won't just be a Call of Duty clone, not that I don't like Call of Duty, I would just like to see some more variety.

When I first heard about Medal of Honor: Warfighter, I didn't think it was a stupid title and I still don't. It may not be the most poetic title ever, but I don't really see what's so bad about it.

Also, In Doom you shoot enemies from a first person perspective. Therefore, it's a first person shooter.

In Call of Duty you shoot enemies from a first person perspective. Therefore, it's a first person shooter.

I get that people are getting a little bit tired of these modern military shooters (MMS as coined by TotalBiscuit) but saying that they're not real shooters or that people who enjoy them aren't real shooter fans is way too extreme.

 

[JEBWrench]

Quick question: Does anyone here remember that Yahtzee loved CoD4 and liked MW2? He doesn't hate all ModMilShooters, just the bad ones.

The very fact you are on this website means you are above average gamer

I resent that remark! I am by no means an above-average gamer; I am in fact quite below average, borderline terrible.

 

[RTR]

I don't think I've ever heard Yahztee with this much enthusiasm and vigor. I like it.

 

[Signa]

So one thing I took away from this is that FPS = First person Gradius, and Gargleweewee = Space invaders.

 

[StashAugustine]

Yahtzee has repeatedly said that having better tech makes killing people wrong... I don't get it, seriously how does being the superior fighters mean that everything you do is morally terrible? Have we switched to a movie based system of morality where the scrappy under-dogds are always the good guys and the rich, skilled, constantly winning sports team is invariably evil?

I'm actually all for US intervention abroad, but that moment with the robot (as described) still creeped me out. If you're going to do something like that, you'd better do a good job of establishing the bad guys as a) obviously evil b) morally neutral but regrettably in the way of obviously evil people c) not deserving of human rights (e.g. zombies). While applying movie logic to real life is stupid, Warfighter is a video game that has to play by dramatic rules.

It's actually kind of a pity, I'd been on the look for a game that was actually able to talk about modern warfare without being stupid (MW2), jingoistic (MW3), buggy (MOH), or just generally bad (BF3). (Spec Ops was good, but it was more about military shooters rather than actual war.)

 

[I.Muir]

I have heard nothing but rage towards this game
I'm not sure it's even worth playing for free if you know what I mean
Still could be worse in the loud and bland homogenized department, could be the music industry

Fancy that refreshing you soul with a corridor shooter
I'm off to play serious sam

 

[Fiairflair]

A fantastic video this week. I love the sheer indignation from 4:27 onward.

I expect I'm coming to the discussion somewhat late with this, but the release of our most recent war simulator Halo 4 brings it to mind. Did anyone else notice a distinct change in Halo tactics between those games in the series released before Gears Of War (namely 1 & 2) and those released afterward?

It seems to me that the 'revolutionary' effect Gears had acted to pollute future shooters and narrow the first person strategy types consumers get a chance to play.

 

[jounihat]

Doom 3 is underrated. It's not a classic, but it's a nice mix of original Doom and System Shock 2.