I was, knowing Yahtzee is a Silent Hill 2 fan like me, hoping ZP this week would be Alan Wake. Man did I not like that game.
Zero Punctuation: Monster Hunter Tri
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Lol he makes it sound so horrible. Poor Yahtzee didn't even make it to the good part of the game, though I don't blame him. It about a good 5 hours in that you actually get to fight anything worth its own salt. Until then, it's a hell of a grind, learning the ins and outs that become integral and second-nature later.
I hate to say it, but I must dismiss this review entirely. Yahtzee has missed the whole point of the game, of which he touched on in such a minor way when the "giant sea monster" came and attacked him. Nobody plays to hunt tiny wimpy monsters and carve up innocent little critters. It's all about the massive monster fights that make you feel so good after finishing.
I was hoping to hear Yahtzee's take on that (pretty much the reason we play this game) side of MH, but it seems he never made it far enough...
And now I can't help but wonder if he's done this with other games, too. Completely missing the point because he can't stand the tutorial.
I hate to say it, but I must dismiss this review entirely. Yahtzee has missed the whole point of the game, of which he touched on in such a minor way when the "giant sea monster" came and attacked him. Nobody plays to hunt tiny wimpy monsters and carve up innocent little critters. It's all about the massive monster fights that make you feel so good after finishing.
I was hoping to hear Yahtzee's take on that (pretty much the reason we play this game) side of MH, but it seems he never made it far enough...
And now I can't help but wonder if he's done this with other games, too. Completely missing the point because he can't stand the tutorial.
See, I can understand Yahtzee's gripes about this game and I can see where he's coming from, but these kind of reviews take the hardcore fandom stick and cram it so far up my ass that I start gagging on it.
I enjoy Yahtzee's reviews and this one actually made me giggle a few times because it was genuinely funny, but it was also a horrible misrepresentation of the game as a whole. While that may be his thing, it bothers me because of the countless "WOW THIS GAME SURE DOES F***ING SUCK DOESN'T IT!?!" posts that it creates. So many people who deny themselves an actual personal opinion on the game because Yahtzee went ahead and reviewed the first hour of the game and nothing more.
What he's gone and done is told his whole audience that this game is just gathering flowers and killing innocent animals. Didn't mention the 7 different weapons types, the different strategies, the customization, the online play, the co-op play, the event quests that net you unique armors and weapons, the immense boss battles that challenge you in a way that your standard MMORPG could never match up to. It's a game that's far deeper than he may even know. sure, it's simple and repetitive, but god forbid that a game makes you put some effort into getting that next improbably large weapon or shiny piece of armor.
I enjoy Yahtzee's reviews and this one actually made me giggle a few times because it was genuinely funny, but it was also a horrible misrepresentation of the game as a whole. While that may be his thing, it bothers me because of the countless "WOW THIS GAME SURE DOES F***ING SUCK DOESN'T IT!?!" posts that it creates. So many people who deny themselves an actual personal opinion on the game because Yahtzee went ahead and reviewed the first hour of the game and nothing more.
What he's gone and done is told his whole audience that this game is just gathering flowers and killing innocent animals. Didn't mention the 7 different weapons types, the different strategies, the customization, the online play, the co-op play, the event quests that net you unique armors and weapons, the immense boss battles that challenge you in a way that your standard MMORPG could never match up to. It's a game that's far deeper than he may even know. sure, it's simple and repetitive, but god forbid that a game makes you put some effort into getting that next improbably large weapon or shiny piece of armor.
The review would have been just as good if he read the manual and summed the game up from there. He never mentioned what star he was in (and assuming from the ranting he was still in star one of out 6)or the online play (which has double the content of single player). Though I never really took the reviews seriously, I find it very disturbing that he did not bother to play the game more than 3 hours.
Normally I like Yahtzee's rants and "reviews", but this one just seem like a pile of lazy effort. Seems like he got as far as doing one or two quests at the beginning tutorial section and decided to declare that was the whole game. I have to wonder if he actually tried to get to a real fight against the big bads of the game.
I won't say that Monster Hunter isn't a grind-fest at times. I've had to stop fighting the bus-sized things trying to eat me to go harvest herbs and mushrooms to make healing items from time to time, but that is one of the things that I appreciate about the game, too. You are playing a hunter and hunters have to be equipped with survival supplies. The grind isn't even the main part of the game, like his review would suggest. Fighting a beast big enough that it takes up your screen, while fighting it with a massive weapon, is. And it is fun and challenging. Each monster has behaviors that you can watch and understand, and the bosses sometimes require half an hour to defeat.
Better than most games that have you take a few pushes of A to just repeated beat a stupid bot that dies in 2 second, just to beat up his identical cousin shambling right behind him.
And did Yahtzee even pay attention to the plot of the game. The reason the big nasty showed up just for the game to tell you to run away is because that the final boss of the single player section. You aren't supposed to fight it because you don't have the armor and weapon to win. There are many challenging boss monsters to work your way through before you take on the big boss. And no, the game won't randomly toss one of them in before you are ready to fight one, or at least survive running away from something more than an intro-encounter.
Seriously, it is like he picked the game up from the store without even understanding what sort of game is it. How about I go pick up Starcraft and complain that I can't craft stars?
I won't say that Monster Hunter isn't a grind-fest at times. I've had to stop fighting the bus-sized things trying to eat me to go harvest herbs and mushrooms to make healing items from time to time, but that is one of the things that I appreciate about the game, too. You are playing a hunter and hunters have to be equipped with survival supplies. The grind isn't even the main part of the game, like his review would suggest. Fighting a beast big enough that it takes up your screen, while fighting it with a massive weapon, is. And it is fun and challenging. Each monster has behaviors that you can watch and understand, and the bosses sometimes require half an hour to defeat.
Better than most games that have you take a few pushes of A to just repeated beat a stupid bot that dies in 2 second, just to beat up his identical cousin shambling right behind him.
And did Yahtzee even pay attention to the plot of the game. The reason the big nasty showed up just for the game to tell you to run away is because that the final boss of the single player section. You aren't supposed to fight it because you don't have the armor and weapon to win. There are many challenging boss monsters to work your way through before you take on the big boss. And no, the game won't randomly toss one of them in before you are ready to fight one, or at least survive running away from something more than an intro-encounter.
Seriously, it is like he picked the game up from the store without even understanding what sort of game is it. How about I go pick up Starcraft and complain that I can't craft stars?
umm, what?Hammith said:
1.the controls probably feel less responsive because you character is swinging around a 2 ton chunk of metal
2. demon souls difficulty is artificial
when a game FORCES you to make a mistake, so you can learn from that mistake in order to progress, its just being a dick, not being difficult
3.you are playing monster hunter wrong, if you are complaining about the combat, long trekking, and enemy difficulty, the game is a HUNTING game, you have to HUNT down your prey, and then take the bastard out using the knowledge you gained by watching what it does in its environment, how it feeds, and how it reacts to attack, the game isnt a hack and slash, and you wont have fun if you play it like one, you have to be the kind of person who is more interested in exploring, studying patterns, and strategizing, than the kind of person who just wants to button mash to victory
I was kind of disappointed that he didn't say anything at all about the big monster fights. I'll admit he did make some good points about the game. Yes it has no business on the Wii, yes the wiimote controls are annoying, and yes.....some third thing. However I don't think you can really give an honest review of the game if you don't even mention the fights with the big epic monsters.
A Typical Zero Punctuation Thread:
1) Average fan watches ZP, is entertained and gathers another opinion about the game being reviewed.
2) More devoted Yahtzee fan's denounce the game in the discussion thread, swearing by the review.
3) Fan's of the game reply in thread stating how Yahtzee Missed the Point/Didn't play the game properly/didn't play the game right/isn't real reviewer/shouldn't be taken seriously. (Delete where appropriate)
4) Groups 2 and 3 begin to argue the toss.
I've yet to see a single ZP thread that didn't follow this to some degree or another. It doesn't really bother me that much I suppose. Except for the ridiculous "isn't a real reviewer" argument. I'd say ZP is as valid as any other review because all a review is, when it boils down to it, is an over glorified opinion of the subject matter and swearing by Yahtzee's reviews is no better (or worse) than swearing by X reviewer.
PS: my r, e, v, i, w keys seem to be indented now. Also while I'm here.
1) Average fan watches ZP, is entertained and gathers another opinion about the game being reviewed.
2) More devoted Yahtzee fan's denounce the game in the discussion thread, swearing by the review.
3) Fan's of the game reply in thread stating how Yahtzee Missed the Point/Didn't play the game properly/didn't play the game right/isn't real reviewer/shouldn't be taken seriously. (Delete where appropriate)
4) Groups 2 and 3 begin to argue the toss.
I've yet to see a single ZP thread that didn't follow this to some degree or another. It doesn't really bother me that much I suppose. Except for the ridiculous "isn't a real reviewer" argument. I'd say ZP is as valid as any other review because all a review is, when it boils down to it, is an over glorified opinion of the subject matter and swearing by Yahtzee's reviews is no better (or worse) than swearing by X reviewer.
PS: my r, e, v, i, w keys seem to be indented now. Also while I'm here.
Stop feeding the troll guys. I thought that was in internet 101.krgskks said:
I was really hoping that he wouldn't do this game as a review. Don't assume I'm standing up for this game, I was just as disappointed as anyone else, but then again this game was generally a disappointment to all the fans of the series. As to why capcom put it on the wii...well the only reason I can think of it that they thought it was an untapped market. As for the rest of us who were smart enough to try before buying, I'm going to stick with freedom 2, and wait for freedom 3 to come out, and play the good version which is prefect on the psp (though I wish it had better graphics).
As a side note for people wondering why people would play this game in the first place, I'll sum it up for ya, IT'S A CHALLANGE, fighting monsters on your current level can usually end up with you dead quite easily, as in if you can't predict what it's going to do, odds are you dead or getting close to it. As for field gathering, yeah you might have to do it early on, though if you don't suck and upgrade your farm all you have to do is hit that up between missions if you want your desired items.
P.S. I hate yatzhee's ass kissers who seem to get the first posts (wonder why you lifeless computer campers) and take his every word as god. Granted he makes good points, but that doesn't mean you should let it decide if you want to buy a game or not, espically seeing how he's told everyone in his reviews quite a few times that he goes and makes these reviews to point out all of the BAD parts of a game, not the good. Again, go get a freakin' demo before you decide to try the game or not, as I recall gamestops are giving out demo's for this game right now (again, didn't like it), so go try it before you hate on.
As a side note for people wondering why people would play this game in the first place, I'll sum it up for ya, IT'S A CHALLANGE, fighting monsters on your current level can usually end up with you dead quite easily, as in if you can't predict what it's going to do, odds are you dead or getting close to it. As for field gathering, yeah you might have to do it early on, though if you don't suck and upgrade your farm all you have to do is hit that up between missions if you want your desired items.
P.S. I hate yatzhee's ass kissers who seem to get the first posts (wonder why you lifeless computer campers) and take his every word as god. Granted he makes good points, but that doesn't mean you should let it decide if you want to buy a game or not, espically seeing how he's told everyone in his reviews quite a few times that he goes and makes these reviews to point out all of the BAD parts of a game, not the good. Again, go get a freakin' demo before you decide to try the game or not, as I recall gamestops are giving out demo's for this game right now (again, didn't like it), so go try it before you hate on.
no business on wii?Kafloobop said:
the ENTIRE reason its on the wii is because of business, the console games never sold past 500k worldwide, and the ps3 would have cost them millions in development, and would have been a huge financial loss
so capcom made it for the wii instead, and lookie there, its broke far above a million sales, and it cost them well under their projected cost for ps3, monster hunter was never as profitable on ps2 or pc as it was on wii
so shut yer trap, boy.
I hope you're not basing that on Yahtzee's review. He didn't even make it to Hunter rank 2 by the sounds of it. There are plenty of games out there that you can stop playing 1 or 2 hours in and never taste the meat of the game. MH Tri is among them.MgsTheFury said:
Otherwise, it's comparatively light on content when you look at MHFU, but on it's own it's a long-lasting game. I'm at 110 hours already and I've beaten single player (not all post-game content though) and am maybe halfway through the online portion. And still enjoying it, too.
1. it was cheaper, and more profitable to put MH3 on wii, rather than the ps3Koganesaga said:
2.why does everyone say this one sucked and they are glad they tried it first? i hope you guys didnt take that demo seriously, because it was just a port of a 2 year old japanese demo, one that was underdeveloped in many many ways, most reviews actually tell you to forget the demo every existed.
I'm wondering how far Yahtzee got in tri? I don't own the game myself(though I own Freedom Unite on the PSP) but when you get higher in rank the difficulty begins to escalate. It escalates more if you're not doing it in co-op because you are on the low end of the weapon/armor components list and fighting the monsters takes preparation and knowing the weak points of the monster you are hunting.
Still, his review is not without some merit. Grinding for some resources is hard and a bore, even more if you don't have a farm like in Freedom. Plus each weapon you pick has a different style of combat, so that factors in to understand each weapon and how to use it effectively without getting completely owned by a monster.
Still, his review is not without some merit. Grinding for some resources is hard and a bore, even more if you don't have a farm like in Freedom. Plus each weapon you pick has a different style of combat, so that factors in to understand each weapon and how to use it effectively without getting completely owned by a monster.
this is why yahtzee should not have been reviewing it, its NOT a single player game, its basically an MMO, its SUPPOSED to be played with other people, thats what is FUN about ittetron said:
but he refuses to play online for some stupid reason, imagine if he reviewed WoW, but said it was shit, because he couldnt even access the single player, it just kept logging him on to the multiplayer. WoW has its own reasons to be shit, but being multiplayer centric is not one of them