Oh my god this game was terrible...I played the demo on steam and I couldnt hit the "Delete Local Content" button fast enough. The sweep function is just...terrible...
Zero Punctuation: Overlord 2
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I've come to the conclusion that Yahtzee is nearly impossible to please. A few videos ago he was ranting about how good/evil morality scales in games were bullshit. Now he's ranting about how Overlord places you in the shoes of a strictly evil character (in the traditional nefarious "evil laugh" sense of the word). Sheesh...
I understand his opinion that good and evil essentially don't exist, but that's been the staple of games for a long time. The good/evil scale has been the first attempt to really break away from the idea of playing as a strictly good, strictly evil, or strictly neutral character.
I understand his opinion that good and evil essentially don't exist, but that's been the staple of games for a long time. The good/evil scale has been the first attempt to really break away from the idea of playing as a strictly good, strictly evil, or strictly neutral character.
personally i didnt overly like this review overlord 2 isnt that bad i have rented it and i've loved both overlord games their doing something different than half the stuff you see nowadays and for a sequal it wasnt as good(as normal) but it wasnt that bad and in response to yahtzee's control issues: thats what you get for buying a pc version of a console game
A fun review, though I don't agree with much of it...most of the fun in Overlord comes from the parodiousness (the new one starts off with literally clubbing baby seals), not the game itself. It does get linear and predictable at times, but you can always kill some whiny humans if you get bored. And I don't get the issue with "sweeping"; it worked fine for me. Also, like the person above said, Overlord actually has a goodness/evilness scale rather than the black-and-white Bioshock-style system that Yahtzee hates so much; but I guess he was too angry to notice.
Still, I tend to only like things everyone else hates, and I'm only good at things everyone else finds awkward. (And vice versa.)
Still, I tend to only like things everyone else hates, and I'm only good at things everyone else finds awkward. (And vice versa.)
I have a fairly good idea of what Yahtzee would say in defence, and it goes something like this:gtotheb said:
"I shouldn't have to choose between being strategic and just killing things, that destroys the point with it being an RTS. It's like if in Bionic Commando you could have the option to ride the train to your next objective. If I'm going to play a game with the mind set on it being about strategy and then finding out it's more effective to just go from one enemy to the other without as much as a thought and simply click on them til they die then I know something is wrong. And I'm not forgiving enough to appreciate the good design choices when there are perfectly bad design choices that overshadows them. If you give me a cake with a turd on it and I tell you it's shit, you can defend it and say that it's just me that can't appreciate the cake, but I'm still going to call it a very bad cake because there's a huge turd on it!"
Was my Yahtzee impression good?
i played the first overlord and i liked it, it wasent gods gift to gaming but it wasent the devils punishmet. but the second was a disopontment
I always find it fun to play a game then go back and see if Yahtzee ever reviewed it and I just forgot.
I can see where he's coming from with Overlord 2, but without any mention of the first game it's kind of like reviewing Terminator 2 without seeing the first, and then complaining Arnie's always shown as a good guy. Most reviews he goes through the entire history of a title, on the other hand the game is largely an unknown, so meh.
I loved the first game to bits, though the PC controls suffer the exact same - sweeping minions with the mouse is horrifically badly ported, but you don't really need to do that in any complicated way in Overlord so it's no big deal (the expansion is another story, had to plug in a 360 pad to get past some segments -_-
The moral choice has an impact in the first game, not to any world ending degree but it's not as clear cut as evil/more evil, and the story does reveal an interesting twist by the end, as well as the world being less linear and with much more comedy.. The strategy has more impact, just bundling everyone onto everything doesn't always work, etc etc. It takes itself less seriously, and it's more obviously a parody which I think seems to have been overlooked - it's fine to compare the Overlord to a LotR wannabe, unless you miss that that's the point..
Sadly Overlord 2 does chuck most of that out of the window, so the review isn't far off the mark. It was much more railroaded, less funny, less choice. It was still enjoyable to see the story continue somewhat but on its own, I'm not surprised it got scathed.
Just kinda sad this is going to put a lot of people off playing the first game, bah!
I can see where he's coming from with Overlord 2, but without any mention of the first game it's kind of like reviewing Terminator 2 without seeing the first, and then complaining Arnie's always shown as a good guy. Most reviews he goes through the entire history of a title, on the other hand the game is largely an unknown, so meh.
I loved the first game to bits, though the PC controls suffer the exact same - sweeping minions with the mouse is horrifically badly ported, but you don't really need to do that in any complicated way in Overlord so it's no big deal (the expansion is another story, had to plug in a 360 pad to get past some segments -_-
The moral choice has an impact in the first game, not to any world ending degree but it's not as clear cut as evil/more evil, and the story does reveal an interesting twist by the end, as well as the world being less linear and with much more comedy.. The strategy has more impact, just bundling everyone onto everything doesn't always work, etc etc. It takes itself less seriously, and it's more obviously a parody which I think seems to have been overlooked - it's fine to compare the Overlord to a LotR wannabe, unless you miss that that's the point..
Sadly Overlord 2 does chuck most of that out of the window, so the review isn't far off the mark. It was much more railroaded, less funny, less choice. It was still enjoyable to see the story continue somewhat but on its own, I'm not surprised it got scathed.
Just kinda sad this is going to put a lot of people off playing the first game, bah!
