Zero Punctuation: Pokemon White

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

So chess or any card game in general is something nobody can be serious about?


Gotta inform all those people who actually are serious about those things, quick, run!

In chess both players have 16 pieces, and a 64 square board, with very specific movement constraints for each piece.

In card games, the ones taken seriously that I can remember at least, the players hands aren't showing.

Pokemon is like a chess match with 2 lanes and 1 queen each, or a poker game where everyone's hands are showing. It's not "strategy", it's memorizing a spread sheet.

In Pokemon you have six Pokemon, each with an ability, stats and four moves. with nigh infinite combinations. There is a huge amount of strategy involved, who to lead with, what
moves to give a Pokemon to counter its weakness, how one Pokemon in a team can compliment another, how to counter someone who has their bases covered as well, what EVs to give to a Pokemon. There is a lot more strategy to a Pokemon battle than there is to Chess. Go in to a competitive battle without any strategy and watch how well your spread sheet memorization works.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

If you did this at the age of 6, what are you doing slumming around here?

Okay, what did you seriously mean by that? That I, right now am six years old?! No, but what mean is that when I first played Pokemon Blue I was six years old and was able to beat it. Therefore, the strategic part of Pokemon is obviously not hard if could do it at such a young age. I haven't bought the last 3 generations of Pokemon (Black/white, HG/SS, and Platinum) because I realized that it is the same game as before with minor improvements. Yes Pokemon is still a good game but I don't think it is meant to be played seven generations in a row.

Dude, beating the game's AI and beating humans is not the same.




You may have beaten the game but you clearly didn't comprehend anything that happens in that vid, as to not write 10 paragraphs I'll just say that everything is planned, thought of in many future steps and much more deeply complex than any 6-YO can process.

 

[jak1165]

So chess or any card game in general is something nobody can be serious about?


Gotta inform all those people who actually are serious about those things, quick, run!

In chess both players have 16 pieces, and a 64 square board, with very specific movement constraints for each piece.

In card games, the ones taken seriously that I can remember at least, the players hands aren't showing.

Pokemon is like a chess match with 2 lanes and 1 queen each, or a poker game where everyone's hands are showing. It's not "strategy", it's memorizing a spread sheet.

In Pokemon you have six Pokemon, each with an ability, stats and four moves. with nigh infinite combinations. There is a huge amount of strategy involved, who to lead with, what
moves to give a Pokemon to counter its weakness, how one Pokemon in a team can compliment another, how to counter someone who has their bases covered as well, what EVs to give to a Pokemon. There is a lot more strategy to a Pokemon battle than there is to Chess. Go in to a competitive battle without any strategy and watch how well your spread sheet memorization works.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

If you did this at the age of 6, what are you doing slumming around here?

Okay, what did you seriously mean by that? That I, right now am six years old?! No, but what mean is that when I first played Pokemon Blue I was six years old and was able to beat it. Therefore, the strategic part of Pokemon is obviously not hard if could do it at such a young age. I haven't bought the last 3 generations of Pokemon (Black/white, HG/SS, and Platinum) because I realized that it is the same game as before with minor improvements. Yes Pokemon is still a good game but I don't think it is meant to be played seven generations in a row.

His point was that you did was not strategy. Its not that difficult to understand.

 

[Coldster]

But...but...itz da same gaem!!!

Cool, someone actually understands Pokemon

If someone honestly told me it was the same game I would smack them and tell them about how things have changed with things such as the physical special split, the EV and IV system reduxes and all that jazz.

Hey man, you're preaching to the choir here. I just started to get back into competitive Pokemon...I'll admit the phrase "competitive Pokemon" raises my self-conscious-nerdness by about 20%...but it's addictive lol

I wasn't preaching, I just got carried away with my response. I know you were on my side.

Competitive Pokemon is the main course of Pokemon for me.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

When you were six did you play competitively? If you are just playing through the "story" there is no strategy needed. You could have a horrible nature and still make your way through with little effort, it's competitive play that involves all the strategy.

I agree, but competitive play was not around when I was six so stop misinterpreting my statement.

 

[Tim Latshaw]

I see people state turn-based strategy has no place anymore and I just laugh and laugh.

Then I go play real-time checkers.

 

[samaugsch]

So chess or any card game in general is something nobody can be serious about?


Gotta inform all those people who actually are serious about those things, quick, run!

In chess both players have 16 pieces, and a 64 square board, with very specific movement constraints for each piece.

In card games, the ones taken seriously that I can remember at least, the players hands aren't showing.

Pokemon is like a chess match with 2 lanes and 1 queen each, or a poker game where everyone's hands are showing. It's not "strategy", it's memorizing a spread sheet.

In Pokemon you have six Pokemon, each with an ability, stats and four moves. with nigh infinite combinations. There is a huge amount of strategy involved, who to lead with, what moves to give a Pokemon to counter its weakness, how one Pokemon in a team can compliment another, how to counter someone who has their bases covered as well, what EVs to give to a Pokemon. There is a lot more strategy to a Pokemon battle than there is to Chess. Go in to a competitive battle without any strategy and watch how well your spread sheet memorization works.

Alternatively, you can have one ridiculously strong Pokemon that can one-hit kill all of your opponent's Pokemon.

 

[jak1165]

But...but...itz da same gaem!!!

Cool, someone actually understands Pokemon

If someone honestly told me it was the same game I would smack them and tell them about how things have changed with things such as the physical special split, the EV and IV system reduxes and all that jazz.

Hey man, you're preaching to the choir here. I just started to get back into competitive Pokemon...I'll admit the phrase "competitive Pokemon" raises my self-conscious-nerdness by about 20%...but it's addictive lol

I wasn't preaching, I just got carried away with my response. I know you were on my side.

Competitive Pokemon is the main course of Pokemon for me.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

When you were six did you play competitively? If you are just playing through the "story" there is no strategy needed. You could have a horrible nature and still make your way through with little effort, it's competitive play that involves all the strategy.

I agree, but competitive play was not around when I was six so stop misinterpreting my statement.

So don't make any more stupid posts because its pretty clear from reading your posts that the 20-ish year old version of yourself doesn't have a better grasp of Pokemon than the 6-year old version of yourself.

 

[Coldster]

So chess or any card game in general is something nobody can be serious about?


Gotta inform all those people who actually are serious about those things, quick, run!

In chess both players have 16 pieces, and a 64 square board, with very specific movement constraints for each piece.

In card games, the ones taken seriously that I can remember at least, the players hands aren't showing.

Pokemon is like a chess match with 2 lanes and 1 queen each, or a poker game where everyone's hands are showing. It's not "strategy", it's memorizing a spread sheet.

In Pokemon you have six Pokemon, each with an ability, stats and four moves. with nigh infinite combinations. There is a huge amount of strategy involved, who to lead with, what
moves to give a Pokemon to counter its weakness, how one Pokemon in a team can compliment another, how to counter someone who has their bases covered as well, what EVs to give to a Pokemon. There is a lot more strategy to a Pokemon battle than there is to Chess. Go in to a competitive battle without any strategy and watch how well your spread sheet memorization works.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

If you did this at the age of 6, what are you doing slumming around here?

Okay, what did you seriously mean by that? That I, right now am six years old?! No, but what mean is that when I first played Pokemon Blue I was six years old and was able to beat it. Therefore, the strategic part of Pokemon is obviously not hard if could do it at such a young age. I haven't bought the last 3 generations of Pokemon (Black/white, HG/SS, and Platinum) because I realized that it is the same game as before with minor improvements. Yes Pokemon is still a good game but I don't think it is meant to be played seven generations in a row.

Dude, beating the game's AI and beating humans is not the same.




You may have beaten the game but you clearly didn't comprehend anything that happens in that vid, as to not write 10 paragraphs I'll just say that everything is planned, thought of in many future steps and much more deeply complex than any 6-YO can process.

I have now been quoted four times now with the response relating to something similar to this "Strategy is only involved with competitive play man not story brah". Yeah, I know, thanks tips. I agree with all of you so stop with this nonsense.

 

[Jfswift]

It's too bad there aren't more 2x2 or 3x3 battles in this game. I liked those. They reminded me of days when I'd play Final Fantasy Legends on my Gameboy. More strategy involved anyway.

 

[Vault Citizen]

I'm playing Pokemon as I type this and I would love to disprove what Yahtzee said by claiming that I have no strong collection urge but sadly he's right on this one, the fact that I have bought several games, comics and movies simply so that I would have the complete set of a particular series is testament to this.

Pokemon is an awful game, I only played red pokemon in elementary school because it was the only game that was any good on the gameboy color.

If Pokemon was aweful how could red be the only game on the system that was any good? I would have thought that aweful and any good contradict one another

 

[Coldster]

So chess or any card game in general is something nobody can be serious about?


Gotta inform all those people who actually are serious about those things, quick, run!

In chess both players have 16 pieces, and a 64 square board, with very specific movement constraints for each piece.

In card games, the ones taken seriously that I can remember at least, the players hands aren't showing.

Pokemon is like a chess match with 2 lanes and 1 queen each, or a poker game where everyone's hands are showing. It's not "strategy", it's memorizing a spread sheet.

In Pokemon you have six Pokemon, each with an ability, stats and four moves. with nigh infinite combinations. There is a huge amount of strategy involved, who to lead with, what
moves to give a Pokemon to counter its weakness, how one Pokemon in a team can compliment another, how to counter someone who has their bases covered as well, what EVs to give to a Pokemon. There is a lot more strategy to a Pokemon battle than there is to Chess. Go in to a competitive battle without any strategy and watch how well your spread sheet memorization works.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

If you did this at the age of 6, what are you doing slumming around here?

Okay, what did you seriously mean by that? That I, right now am six years old?! No, but what mean is that when I first played Pokemon Blue I was six years old and was able to beat it. Therefore, the strategic part of Pokemon is obviously not hard if could do it at such a young age. I haven't bought the last 3 generations of Pokemon (Black/white, HG/SS, and Platinum) because I realized that it is the same game as before with minor improvements. Yes Pokemon is still a good game but I don't think it is meant to be played seven generations in a row.

His point was that you did was not strategy. Its not that difficult to understand.

I'm still wondering why people like you think I don't understand why I don't agree with you. Let me repeat myself by saying this "what I mean is that when I first played Pokemon Blue I was six years old and was able to beat it. Therefore, the strategic part of Pokemon is obviously not hard if could do it at such a young age". I stated right from the beginning that it is not strategy.

EDIT: Read your first sentence again and then tell me that the second statement wasn't completely ironic.

 

[chif-ii]

You got your game strategy thrown off by EMOLGA enough to complain about it? Pokemon wasn't EASY enough for you that a Gym Leader you COULDN'T sweep with one move is a negative point against it?

The bane of Yahtzee's existence.​

Besides, "catching them all" is no longer viable...or even the point, really. It's all about competitive play, with the advent of wi-fi in D/P/P.

And the game has changed a lot. The basic 8 gyms, 4 moves per pokemon, Rock/Paper/Scissors combat system hasn't. But the other mechanics have.

From the infinite TM use of B/W, to the infinite item bag after R/B/Y's STUPID limit, to the addition of Abilites in Gen 3, The Special split in Gen 2, the Special/Physical MOVE split in Gen 4, and even the removal/addition of new HMs for world exploration, to the key item mapping for easy Bike use.

All minor tweeks. Besides, why have SIX F***IN' HUNDRED if you're not supposed to catch em' all?

And I agree with Yatzee. It is a game for eccentric, collect-o-maniacs. And I am proud to be one of them.

 

[Coldster]

But...but...itz da same gaem!!!

Cool, someone actually understands Pokemon

If someone honestly told me it was the same game I would smack them and tell them about how things have changed with things such as the physical special split, the EV and IV system reduxes and all that jazz.

Hey man, you're preaching to the choir here. I just started to get back into competitive Pokemon...I'll admit the phrase "competitive Pokemon" raises my self-conscious-nerdness by about 20%...but it's addictive lol

I wasn't preaching, I just got carried away with my response. I know you were on my side.

Competitive Pokemon is the main course of Pokemon for me.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

When you were six did you play competitively? If you are just playing through the "story" there is no strategy needed. You could have a horrible nature and still make your way through with little effort, it's competitive play that involves all the strategy.

I agree, but competitive play was not around when I was six so stop misinterpreting my statement.

So don't make any more stupid posts because its pretty clear from reading your posts that the 20-ish year old version of yourself doesn't have a better grasp of Pokemon than the 6-year old version of yourself.

I don't understand where your going with this, please make it more clear. Also I'm sixteen but it's not like you were off by at least four years.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

So chess or any card game in general is something nobody can be serious about?


Gotta inform all those people who actually are serious about those things, quick, run!

In chess both players have 16 pieces, and a 64 square board, with very specific movement constraints for each piece.

In card games, the ones taken seriously that I can remember at least, the players hands aren't showing.

Pokemon is like a chess match with 2 lanes and 1 queen each, or a poker game where everyone's hands are showing. It's not "strategy", it's memorizing a spread sheet.

In Pokemon you have six Pokemon, each with an ability, stats and four moves. with nigh infinite combinations. There is a huge amount of strategy involved, who to lead with, what moves to give a Pokemon to counter its weakness, how one Pokemon in a team can compliment another, how to counter someone who has their bases covered as well, what EVs to give to a Pokemon. There is a lot more strategy to a Pokemon battle than there is to Chess. Go in to a competitive battle without any strategy and watch how well your spread sheet memorization works.

Alternatively, you can have one ridiculously strong Pokemon that can one-hit kill all of your opponent's Pokemon.

Nope.

Any meaningful battle is always with everyone being the same level. Even the AI in game ones cut your level down so it'll be equal.


All you're talking about here is in-game trainers controlled by the AI, not human players who play with everything at lvl 100 and use the best specimens of every species.

 

[LeonLethality]

Alternatively, you can have one ridiculously strong Pokemon that can one-hit kill all of your opponent's Pokemon.

Depends mainly on how well you built your sweeper and how good the opponent's team is at countering it. In most cases having one pokemon to take out the entire team is not going to cut it, because if they take it down you have no options left.

Also as the above person stated you are all scaled down to the same level.

 

[DuderSkanks]

I REGRET NOTHING!

But anyway, a good episode, I can say that my love of the series cannot be scratched by his review. It's part of the reason me and my girlfriend met and that's still going strong.

 

[jak1165]

Yet you still seem to be having difficulty

 

[jak1165]

But...but...itz da same gaem!!!

Cool, someone actually understands Pokemon

If someone honestly told me it was the same game I would smack them and tell them about how things have changed with things such as the physical special split, the EV and IV system reduxes and all that jazz.

Hey man, you're preaching to the choir here. I just started to get back into competitive Pokemon...I'll admit the phrase "competitive Pokemon" raises my self-conscious-nerdness by about 20%...but it's addictive lol

I wasn't preaching, I just got carried away with my response. I know you were on my side.

Competitive Pokemon is the main course of Pokemon for me.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

When you were six did you play competitively? If you are just playing through the "story" there is no strategy needed. You could have a horrible nature and still make your way through with little effort, it's competitive play that involves all the strategy.

I agree, but competitive play was not around when I was six so stop misinterpreting my statement.

So don't make any more stupid posts because its pretty clear from reading your posts that the 20-ish year old version of yourself doesn't have a better grasp of Pokemon than the 6-year old version of yourself.

I don't understand where your going with this, please make it more clear. Also I'm sixteen but it's not like you were off by at least four years.

There seems to be a lot you don't quite understand. Don't worry, it appears you aren't alone

 

[Anchupom]

Heres the question he missed, what do the people in that world eat since every animal and most of the damn plants are pokemon?

I think a miltank would be quite tasty. Pikachu would probably be kind of stringy. They will probably resort to "iceberg lebtuce" soon.

There have been many speculations of this topic... I personally think that Char(mander)grilled Miltank steak would be wonderful paired with a bit of Oddish Salad

 

[mrhateful]

Pokemon is an awful game, I only played red pokemon in elementary school because it was the only game that was any good on the gameboy color.

If Pokemon was aweful how could red be the only game on the system that was any good? I would have thought that aweful and any good contradict one another

Its because of relativity, it just means that gameboy games was really bad. Yes Red pokemon was good in relativity to other games.. Just like 2 is a good grade if everyone else has gotten -3

 

[Swifteye]

Well it was certainly nice of Yathzee to sum up all the reasons I don't like the game. Namely that it's one dimensional in almost every aspect it shows up in. And i've played more of these games than him and it just has not really changed since the ol yellow version.

Derp

You do realize your not supposed to make low content post right? And what does derp even mean?

You do realize your post is stupid right? Durrrr da game haznt changed....

Well, no the premise hasn't changed. But if we stick to your narrow and misinformed definition, I guess there's no reason to play any other Mario game besides the NES one that came out 25 years ago. Or Metal Gear Solid 2, 3, or 4....or just about any game with a sequel

Look here. When it comes to sequels and nintendo's in paticular. The games really don't change. the core gameplay is the same. the situation is pretty much the same. And the story is also pretty much the same. One could say this for a lot of games and they would be right most of the time the games don't change. The only real cure for this problem is to either add something dynamic to the fold. Or just make minute changes that appeal to the fans. And guess what most people especially nintendo do? minute changes. Now this isn't bad if you really like the game. Say for instance I like the dynasty warriors series. All that game is about version to version is minute changes. That does it for me. But guess how non fans treat the game?

Disgust, disinterest, generally cutting the game by it's knees and giving it the what for in reviews. Unlike dynasty warriors though pokemon has garnered much more fans so the minute changes have more value. What are the minute changes for pokemon? Adding more pokemon obviously. Making things look nicer. Changing purely cosmetic things like where you are or who the gyms are or who the bad guy is. And then the little mini games that are completely expendable and change from game to game. This does it for the fans. But not for me. Not anymore. Because I am not a fan but not a genuine hater I'd just like to see something truly novel done with the game so much so I could really write some ideas right now if I wasn't busy doing that for something else but because you'd like me to be in depth with my opinion here goes some simple things.

A plot that has very little to do with catching pokemon: Instead of catching pokemon you instead observe them. Breed them. interact with them say the way the player character interacts with there digimon in digimon world one the game. So far pokemon talks a big game about you and your pokemon but they never become too much more than weapons to arm yourself in the random fights against random people.

create a gang war situation with all the previous gangs struggling for supremacy: All the islands feel like they are next to each other in a ways so honestly I don't see how the gangs like rocket and such aren't fighting each other viciously over whatever project they've tried to impede on.

Make the world not revolve around you: the game seems to exist around you. Nobody moves until you show up and nobody continues to move either. Sure in heart gold I certainly saw the gym leaders in there off times but why is it that nobody ever seems to beat the gyms except for you and your rival? And why is it all your phone friends have to stay bolted in one spot rather than leave the area and maybe arrange a battle in a poke center for your convenience? The game feigns bigness but just doesn't have it instead there should be dozens of trainers all gunning for badges all running into you with multiple events both story and side quest and doing everything from teaming up to fight some team gym leader to doing a mini game against each other.

make a very apparant fine line between pokemon and animals and make the desire to capture them and understand them a nesscary objective: It always rubbed me the wrong way how I can capture a creature that on the show would cause all hell to break loose if it's taken away from it's post. Or how pokemon have all these amazing descriptions on what they do when there wild but these things never happen at all.

I could go on all day. Make the training of pokemon fun even after the defeat of the elite four, change the battle system to something that doesn't relay on you one defeating a pokemon by knowing there weakness and knocking them down in one hit.

But I honestly don't believe fans of the game would want these changes either. So ya. If you have something about the game that you endlessly like a sequel is for you but for everyone else. I can't say. Pokemon surely is an entry level game but personally I couldn't find my 9 year old me putting up with how the game works today with all it's stuff. And if you played the previous versions and just about had enough of what that was giving you. This won't give you anything you want.

I hope I gave you what you wanted to hear.