Zero Punctuation: Pokemon White

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ionveau

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blizzaradragon said:
Personally I think pokemon is one of the best video game series out there. It hasn't changed much from Red/Blue because it hasn't needed to. They've done some changes like the physical/special move split or adding abilities, but those have just added to the fun by throwing in more strategy elements and making some pokemon actually worth using again. Plus the competitive scene is awesome and challenging, since there's over 600 pokemon your opponent could potentially use, with so many possible moves for each of them. You can't even go by type really anymore, cause if you do your fighting type that you use to trump their dark type gets hit by a psychic attack and faints. Plus all the items you can give them to hold add even more strategy.

On a side note though, people need to quit shutting the game off when they lose on wi-fi. Its very annoying and making a lot of people's records look like crap since none of their wins get recorded :(
I do that all the time the only thing i regret is seeing their smile turn into a frown
 

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Demon Slayer X said:
I'm a bit surprised that Yahtzee didn't get the version with the big phallic dragon. But hey we now know his weakness which is electric flying squirrels. :p

Now that squirrel should be a meme!
Sorry man, but from what I know of memes. Saying something should be a meme generaly causes it to not become one (which is sad because I would totaly suport that meme).
 

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Yes pokemon has some key issues that haven't been addressed throughout its existence (PC system, underwhelming story lines). And although the gameplay remains virtually the same, the meta-game evolves drastically with every new critter, move, ability, and item introduced.

I thought he would have at least applauded the depth involved in this game. There are over 600 pokemon, with multiple abilities, multiple natures and many builds for each one with different roles to play on teams. Yahtzee only really harped at the obsessive compulsive side of the game, which is completely optional and unnecessary if you wish to either beat the game or compete later.

The Pokemon series has shifted from being all about "Catching them All" to being a competitive community. Just look at some of the huge followings on YouTube.

And I usually agree with most of Yahtzee's shtick.
 

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ShenCS said:
Would just like to point out that no, N couldn't make any other friends in twat school. That was part of the point. He only had Pokemon for friends which left him a little bit mad.
Funny review though, christ the random encounter thing +1 so much. He isn't joking about some parts being every two goddamn steps. And you have to watch the little opening animation again and again but all you're going to do is run urgh. Although he apparently didn't figure out that walking actually decreased the encounter rate quite a bit. But damn if that isn't annoying too.
Repels are your friends. Seriously, the game should just force you to buy repels, they're by far the most useful item in the game if you want to enjoy it.
 

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My strategy when playing any Pokemon game:

1. Pick a Pokemon. It can be the starter or one you catch really early that you like the looks of, it's pretty irrelevant.

2. Grind the crap out of it for about 45 mins before going to the first town, until it's about level 15-20.

3. Only use this one Pokemon for every fight. You are now nigh invincible, can one shot even opposing types, and will gain enough exp to stay that way until you reach the Elite Four.

Worked for every Pokemon game I've played, and for the most part it's working a treat with Black. I look forward to reaching the Elite Four and finding out this strategy is completely ineffective against them, as usual.
 

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That Hyena Bloke said:
My strategy when playing any Pokemon game:

1. Pick a Pokemon. It can be the starter or one you catch really early that you like the looks of, it's pretty irrelevant.

2. Grind the crap out of it for about 45 mins before going to the first town, until it's about level 15-20.

3. Only use this one Pokemon for every fight. You are now nigh invincible, can one shot even opposing types, and will gain enough exp to stay that way until you reach the Elite Four.

Worked for every Pokemon game I've played, and for the most part it's working a treat with Black. I look forward to reaching the Elite Four and finding out this strategy is completely ineffective against them, as usual.

The elite 4 are lvl 70 now you mad bro?
 

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C2Ultima said:
Wow. I never saw this coming. I was sure he'd be reviewing Crysis 2.
Thank you! That's what I thought he was doing. I'm glad he did a Pokemon game, but I wanted him to do Crysis 2 first.
 

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Maclennan said:
Heres the question he missed, what do the people in that world eat since every animal and most of the damn plants are pokemon?

I think a miltank would be quite tasty. Pikachu would probably be kind of stringy. They will probably resort to "iceberg lebtuce" soon.
hmm you know i never thought of that really
 

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I had a feeling that this thread would be filled with the herpity-derp nonsense of "durr i plaed red n blue...lol gaem haznt changed a bit"

Yeah, the basic objective hasn't changed to much, but this point is garbage. Based on that criteria, NES Super Mario Bros is no different from N64 Super Mario Bros. Once you beat the Elite Four and become champion, the game is just beginning.
 

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Primus1985 said:
Brad Shepard said:
wish we could have heard about how he felt about the plot, but ah well, shit happens.
Nintendo game...Plot??? Since when? :p
Black/White decided to go beyond the simple "Team XYZ is trying to take over the world by awakening Pokemon they have no chance of controlling, leaving you to be the sole savior by somehow catching these would-be God Pokemon" and instead adopting something a bit more complex. Sure, you're still obtaining God-like Pokemon, but the purpose is because Reshiram and Zekrom were both used by the heroes who created/founded the Unova region (yes, unlike all other God Pokemon who simply create the universe then go about their way, these two were actually USED by someone else before you catch them). Team Plasma is basically the Pokemon world's PETA, and insists that we are abusing Pokemon by catching/raising them. By obtaining one of these two Heroes' Pokemon, they hope to convince (see Threaten) the world into giving up their Pokemon, leaving the pseudo-leader of Team Plasma (not the thin green-haired dude in Yahtzee's review, he's actually a pawn disguised as the leader) to be the sole user of Pokemon, and thus be able to rule the world.

Honestly, I find it hilarious how people like Yahtzee who have never picked up a Pokemon game since the first two generations are now trying to get back in to the series. I've seen a surprising number of them, and they all look at it with the same cynicism, commenting on how the formula hasn't changed in all these years.

Hey, technically Dragon Quest's formula hasn't changed in all 9 of its games, and Final Fantasy didn't really change their tune until XI, which is where a lot of people agree the true decline of the series began. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" as it were. Pokemon has seen several upgrades in it's core system over the years. True, the same "rock-paper-scissors" mechanic remains, but that mechanic is in ALL RPGs. If you see something bright red and spewing flame, whether it's in Pokemon or Dragon Age, what the fuck do you think you should hit it with? Lightning? And don't get me started on just picking a Pokemon based on its core element. Every Pokemon can learn moves outside of its core element, and most anyone who's played this series for more than three generations will agree that THAT is the only way to play this game. You pick the Pokemon you like, then you use them regardless of what your opponent tries to throw at you. With infinite-use TM's, there is literally no reason why you should have to catch Pokemon simply to beat that one gym or tackle that one tough trainer.

But maybe I'm going too far off into my own Pokemon fanaticism here. As much as I defend it, this review was quite entertaining. As I said, I've seen quite a few people trying to pick up this series, and it's always hilarious to see them nit-pick it and try to say it's not for them. Hey, you stopped at Pokemon Yellow. We all can tell this series wasn't for you then, it isn't going to be for you now, and it sure as shit won't be for you in another 15 years when they release Pokemon Chartreuse.
 

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Dreiko said:
randommaster said:
Dreiko said:
Heh, figures he wouldn't even comment on the competitive scene of pokemon.

I suppose his patience would die halfway through just reading about what you're supposed to do to get a competitive team.

Funny vid all the same though. It's just sad that he really doesn't get what pokemon is supposed to be for people who are not 10 or younger.
Are you surprised? Yahtzee's one of the most outspoken critics of leaning on multiplayer ever. The single player game is pretty basic, so commenting on it is fair game for reviewers.
It should still have a lot of challenging stuff though.

I haven't gotten into B/W yet but both D/P and the G/S remakes had a ton of single player challenges for which you needed an EV-trained competitive team. Those were the battle arenas which you got after you beat the game. B/W should have something along those lines too, if not even deeper.
End game content has the same issues as multiplayer with the whole earn your fun thing. Most of the battles, even with gym leaders, are simple and can be overcome with basic type matching.
 

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I can't believe people take Yahtzee seriously -.-

He takes the bad points...and exaggerates them...half the time i bet he enjoys most games he plays, but if he doesn't say anything bad about the games, they won't be worth watching?

I bet he is playing it right now, once you play Pokemon, your hooked.

If not, then your an abomination on the world sent by Satan himself

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Haven't played Black or White at all yet, but I'd say I'm somewhat a fan of the series. Used to like it alot back when I was a kid then lost interest. Now I'm back to playing it again (funny how that seems to happen). Of course it was the discovery of the Nuzlocke run that brought me back in. That helped me to have fun again with Pokemon's constant grind by making it a bit more interesting. I'd encourage players to try one out sometime or another.
Maclennan said:
Heres the question he missed, what do the people in that world eat since every animal and most of the damn plants are pokemon?

I think a miltank would be quite tasty. Pikachu would probably be kind of stringy. They will probably resort to "iceberg lebtuce" soon.
They eat slowpoke tail apparently. This is canon.
randommaster said:
You really should have picked up Pokemon Black, Yahtzee. It focuses on story rather than collecting a bunch of critters. At one point you have to choose whether to choose between your friend and your journey, with a branching story for each path. It's pretty much two entirely different games and it puts the Bioware writing staff to shame.

I'm sorry you had to get the wrong version to get back into what has become a great series.
Wait there's a major difference between the two versions? What is this madness?
 

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randommaster said:
You really should have picked up Pokemon Black, Yahtzee. It focuses on story rather than collecting a bunch of critters. At one point you have to choose whether to choose between your friend and your journey, with a branching story for each path. It's pretty much two entirely different games and it puts the Bioware writing staff to shame.

I'm sorry you had to get the wrong version to get back into what has become a great series.
Are you serious? The two games are practically identical...
The only difference is about six Pokémon, the color of the box, and a single location. (White forest, Black city)
Other than that, they are the SAME GAME. There's no change in story, there's no difference.
So I conclude that you must be joking. Um...good one?

Anyway, I like Pokémon, but agree with various people that I don't play to collect 'em all, I play to battle.
'course, I'm one of the odd people who actually enjoyed the turn-based battles in Paper Mario, so...
 

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This review was great. I thought I was outgrowing Yahtzee because I no longer found the jokes funny, but maybe it's just because he hasn't had any really fresh material in the last year. Since this is his first review of Pokemon, it gave a new realm for clever shenanigans. I laughed pretty hard at this one.
 

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Amplify said:
michiehoward said:
Amplify said:
Jdb said:
I want to know why some people think Pokemon is a super-complex game. Raising Pokemon is complex, but when it comes to battles between similarly-raised Pokemon it's just crossing fingers and hoping the other guy doesn't send out scissors when paper is in play.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=144&prefixid=warstory

Pick a thread, read the battle report contained within and the guy's thoughts on what he was going to do next and why etc for a standard competitive Pokemon battle.

Then look me in the eye and say that again.
-butts into convo-

I don't know what to say while looking you in the eye except...thats fucked up. LOL
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102963

That one's a great example.
There are a lot of words behind the thinking. However, I am still seeing game play coming down to choosing from a list of options and only knowing if it's the right choice when the other guy moves. I don't like games with a considerable random factor. I haven't liked them ever since it took me six months to get full tier one in vanilla World of Warcraft. I prefer games like shoot 'em ups where I must think fast and in real time. Still, have fun with the new Pokemon.