Zero Punctuation: Pokemon White

[MirrorSweep]

Didn't mention the metagame, crap review.

 

[PlayingOpossum]

Serperior + Coil = dead flying squirrels. It's an art-imitating-life sort of thing. Elesa was no trouble.

Review was fun to watch; I liked seeing Pokemon get the star treatment from Yahtzee.

 

[Orinon]

Hmm that reminds me of a gym leader in Ruby and sapphire, the one that has flying pokemon but has a dragon flying type, (If you don't know they Dragon types aren't damaged by electricity)
which makes you rethink your Pokemon use, (Pro tip swap out for someone with an ice attack I guarantee it'l kill very quickly).
I play the leaf Green version in fact I have almost every Kanto Pokemon (completing the other pokedex's is just ridiculous) all I really need is a game That I used to have but it's unobtainable right now, like seriously I don't remember how but even the ones I needed fire red for a different Pokemon game has them for me.

 

[Brad Shepard]

wish we could have heard about how he felt about the plot, but ah well, shit happens.

Nintendo game...Plot??? Since when?

either A, you dident play the game, or B, you rushed though it without reading dialog. The game has a preety good story if your willing to forgive its faults.

Out of all I said, that got the most response, lol.

The story is mediocre at best, and thats being kind. Some slight changes in the bad guys motivation is about it. Their whole arguement of "People using Pokemon is wrong" is really foreshadowed by the fact they just want a Uber pokemon to rule everyone with.

Same basic Team Rocket principle, just with a more hypocrital approach.


And like I stated earlier no I wont forgive the outdated gameplay. Give me a Pokemon game where you can actually control the pokemon, on a 3D plane, and I might be interested again.

Yet at the end

Spoiler

You find out N's dad, Ghetsis. Used that as a means to his end of taking over the world, he was the mastermind behind the vail. N had no idea what his father was planing, He wanted to free Pokemon because all his father did was expose him to Abused pokemon, no human contact save for him. Ghetsis had this planed for N for the longest time. This was by far the best pokemon game in the main line thus far, bar none.

 

[Lucie]

I want to know why some people think Pokemon is a super-complex game. Raising Pokemon is complex, but when it comes to battles between similarly-raised Pokemon it's just crossing fingers and hoping the other guy doesn't send out scissors when paper is in play.

Or hope he doesn't send in a level 1 Rattata.
Tip: turn your volume down

I see your video of somebody being beaten by 6 F.E.A.R Rattatas and raise you a team of level 1s that doesn't break species clause beating level 100s.

That Snover...it must be killed...before it kills us all <.<

But seriously, that's the best video i have ever seen xD

Related, toughest trainer in the game being beaten with level 1s.

Both those video's were awesome, that Snover and Pineco... I remembered the F.E.A.R. Rattatas from a few years ago or so, no clue about these lv 1's though. So uhm yeah, I got nothing

 

[NKnight]

I wonder if he would ***** about the story if reviewing Tetris.

 

[Cronox]

Ah, Pokemon. I'll say it now, it's pretty much indefendable, much like the Metal Gear series, and really shouldn't be this popular if there was any justice in teh world. Yet I like it. I played every game up to Diamond and then it fizzled out. Perhaps not being able to make scratch enough to also buy Pearl caused somethig of the obsessive-compulsive tendencies that the franchise itself had instilled and exploited in me since childhood to crack ever so slightly or maybe the game was as drab as I remember it, but I feel pretty much done by this point. I still play the games every few years and have fun with them, but it seems taht perhaps teh unchanging nature of it all is Pokemon's strength - anytime thye hange thing's up, it is either something nice and unnoticable like making the inerface more smooth, or some useless addition like beauty contests. Oh yeah, my touch screen broke while playing Diamond so I never did win an of those minigames. Though with akll it does to add in extra fights throughout the years - adding additional rival trainers and making battles vs Team Rocket more prevelant, it seems that a departure from the traditional 8 gym then elite 4 plus champion model may be in order. I mean, Pokemon XD did that on teh Gamecube and it was pretty good. In fact it was one of the most unique games (yes it was a sequel to Colliseum, but I never really played that). No random encounters or catching pokemon, no Pokedex to fill out that requires you attend events exclusive to Japan and have all 20 games, and all the fights are double battles allowing for deeper strategy, and the main objective of teh game was actually to defeat the big bad who's brainwashing Pokemon (so you can steal his Shadow Lugia and all the other brainwashed Pokemon along the way, dmaned hypocrit). Overall, it was jsut about my favourite. And it was horribly recieved by teh fanbase. Pity, really. I wouldn't mind the handhelds switchin it up a bit.

I haven't bought these new Pokemon games. I may never will - with my ever growing pile of games I'm working through to study design philosophy, I have much more interesting game sto play. Nonetheless, I'll probably end up back with Pokemon at some point - there's just no way of getting rid of it once its sunk its hooks into your soul.

 

[Liudeius]

They kinda changed it in this one. The EXP you receive is now based on your own level comparative with your opponent's. You could fight something level 50 and get 6000 exp with a level 40, or get 1200 with a level 60. Of course, it doesn't help that they give you an experience boosting item that was pretty much the rarest item in the game in the previous gens like halfway through the game...

Oh really? I was wondering how I was exp sharing a second pokemon and still keeping my first so much stronger than the rest. Are you referring to the exp share? Or is there some mystical item that I have never heard of in 12 years of pokemon?

No, he's talking about Lucky Egg, which boosts your exp gain by 1.5x.

Wow, I have never heard of that. I've missed out on so much exp.

 

[samaugsch]

Besides, "catching them all" is no longer viable...or even the point, really. It's all about competitive play, with the advent of wi-fi in D/P/P.

Pokemon is now the middle school version of COD and Halo?

Do you know what Pokemon REALLY is?

It's secretly the deepest competitive strategy game ever.

IT HAS TIER LISTS

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah... wait you aren't kidding.


Yu-Gi-Oh! has tier lists too. That doesn't really indicate anything.

Yu-Gi-Oh! is still way better than pokemon actually. I don't know why it gets so much hate while pokemon doesn't.
Also, at least Yu-Gi-Oh! DOESN'T HAVE FUCKING LAND CARDS so I don't really see why MTG gets so much more respect than it either.

Nope. Instead, it has field cards, which are a lot like land cards.

In what way? They have nothing to do with summoning.

...That's true lol. Forget I said that. >_>

 

[Semudara]

As a fan of Pokémon, I found this funny, but also completely unenlightening. Yes, some of the complaints are valid, and I certainly don't think the recent games are without their crippling faults, but the evaluation of this series' fanbase at the end was a joke and nothing more, and that describes this review pretty well. An honest-to-goodness critique on the series by Yahtzee would have been nice, and probably pretty insightful.

 

[Ddgafd]

Fuck Emolga. Fuck Double Team. Fuck Rock Tomb for having piss accuracy.

Did I mention this comment has a lot to do with the video?

 

[blacklab]

Wow, for once I completely and unequivocally agree with the Yahtzmeister.

 

[Desert Tiger]

They kinda changed it in this one. The EXP you receive is now based on your own level comparative with your opponent's. You could fight something level 50 and get 6000 exp with a level 40, or get 1200 with a level 60. Of course, it doesn't help that they give you an experience boosting item that was pretty much the rarest item in the game in the previous gens like halfway through the game...

Oh really? I was wondering how I was exp sharing a second pokemon and still keeping my first so much stronger than the rest. Are you referring to the exp share? Or is there some mystical item that I have never heard of in 12 years of pokemon?

No, he's talking about Lucky Egg, which boosts your exp gain by 1.5x.

Wow, I have never heard of that. I've missed out on so much exp.

You get it given to you in the electric cave by the Professor.

 

[Coldster]

So chess or any card game in general is something nobody can be serious about?


Gotta inform all those people who actually are serious about those things, quick, run!

In chess both players have 16 pieces, and a 64 square board, with very specific movement constraints for each piece.

In card games, the ones taken seriously that I can remember at least, the players hands aren't showing.

Pokemon is like a chess match with 2 lanes and 1 queen each, or a poker game where everyone's hands are showing. It's not "strategy", it's memorizing a spread sheet.

In Pokemon you have six Pokemon, each with an ability, stats and four moves. with nigh infinite combinations. There is a huge amount of strategy involved, who to lead with, what
moves to give a Pokemon to counter its weakness, how one Pokemon in a team can compliment another, how to counter someone who has their bases covered as well, what EVs to give to a Pokemon. There is a lot more strategy to a Pokemon battle than there is to Chess. Go in to a competitive battle without any strategy and watch how well your spread sheet memorization works.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

If you did this at the age of 6, what are you doing slumming around here?

Okay, what did you seriously mean by that? That I, right now am six years old?! No, but what mean is that when I first played Pokemon Blue I was six years old and was able to beat it. Therefore, the strategic part of Pokemon is obviously not hard if could do it at such a young age. I haven't bought the last 3 generations of Pokemon (Black/white, HG/SS, and Platinum) because I realized that it is the same game as before with minor improvements. Yes Pokemon is still a good game but I don't think it is meant to be played seven generations in a row.

Not sure what the other guys are saying, but basically, you implicitly stated that the games do not have a lot of strategy involved because you beat the games at a young age. You also stated that if the games did, you would be some kind of genius for doing so. But your opinion is mainly formed from the fact you only played the story, and not battles with other people, so I showed a video of an actual battle where strategy does make an appearance and sarcastically said that if you had the capacity to perform what the guy in the video did, why are you in this forum instead of doing better things with your insanely high intelligence?

In any case...

Besides, "catching them all" is no longer viable...or even the point, really. It's all about competitive play, with the advent of wi-fi in D/P/P.

Pokemon is now the middle school version of COD and Halo?

Do you know what Pokemon REALLY is?

It's secretly the deepest competitive strategy game ever.

IT HAS TIER LISTS

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon

I wouldn't call it the deepest when it's based on luck as well. Missing the punch and getting critical hits in is still all chance.

There are moves that have a certain amount of accuracy and power to them. Most people would opt for the more accurate but weaker attacks than the less accurate but more powerful. Crits are a problem, but simulators remove them to remove elements of luck. Also, moves that rely on luck such as double team that increase evasiveness or decrease accuracy are banned in competitive play. When you factor in things such as predictions and indications of how the other person's pokemon are set up based on items and moves, it leaves very little to chance. And that's disregarding damage calculations.

No, I could not, and probably still not do whta was done in the video. What I mean was that Pokemon is not a challenging strategic game like that one guy waaaaaaay back was saying. I countered his point by saying that if a six year could beat the game then it is not hard.

 

[Grunge4Ever]

Most of your complaints about this didn't even bother me during the game.

They bothered me in other games (haven't played Black or White). When encountering a random battle with say a goddamn Zubat I really wish I could skip the 'ready to battle' sequence where the zubat makes a noise and just immediately run away.

Use repels then.

 

[ZeroKaiser]

So chess or any card game in general is something nobody can be serious about?


Gotta inform all those people who actually are serious about those things, quick, run!

In chess both players have 16 pieces, and a 64 square board, with very specific movement constraints for each piece.

In card games, the ones taken seriously that I can remember at least, the players hands aren't showing.

Pokemon is like a chess match with 2 lanes and 1 queen each, or a poker game where everyone's hands are showing. It's not "strategy", it's memorizing a spread sheet.

In Pokemon you have six Pokemon, each with an ability, stats and four moves. with nigh infinite combinations. There is a huge amount of strategy involved, who to lead with, what
moves to give a Pokemon to counter its weakness, how one Pokemon in a team can compliment another, how to counter someone who has their bases covered as well, what EVs to give to a Pokemon. There is a lot more strategy to a Pokemon battle than there is to Chess. Go in to a competitive battle without any strategy and watch how well your spread sheet memorization works.

Ha! If there actually was alot of strategy involved with Pokemon then I was a genius when I was six.

My Captcha says "Boose laser". What is that supposed to mean?

If you did this at the age of 6, what are you doing slumming around here?

Okay, what did you seriously mean by that? That I, right now am six years old?! No, but what mean is that when I first played Pokemon Blue I was six years old and was able to beat it. Therefore, the strategic part of Pokemon is obviously not hard if could do it at such a young age. I haven't bought the last 3 generations of Pokemon (Black/white, HG/SS, and Platinum) because I realized that it is the same game as before with minor improvements. Yes Pokemon is still a good game but I don't think it is meant to be played seven generations in a row.

Not sure what the other guys are saying, but basically, you implicitly stated that the games do not have a lot of strategy involved because you beat the games at a young age. You also stated that if the games did, you would be some kind of genius for doing so. But your opinion is mainly formed from the fact you only played the story, and not battles with other people, so I showed a video of an actual battle where strategy does make an appearance and sarcastically said that if you had the capacity to perform what the guy in the video did, why are you in this forum instead of doing better things with your insanely high intelligence?

In any case...

Besides, "catching them all" is no longer viable...or even the point, really. It's all about competitive play, with the advent of wi-fi in D/P/P.

Pokemon is now the middle school version of COD and Halo?

Do you know what Pokemon REALLY is?

It's secretly the deepest competitive strategy game ever.

IT HAS TIER LISTS

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon

I wouldn't call it the deepest when it's based on luck as well. Missing the punch and getting critical hits in is still all chance.

There are moves that have a certain amount of accuracy and power to them. Most people would opt for the more accurate but weaker attacks than the less accurate but more powerful. Crits are a problem, but simulators remove them to remove elements of luck. Also, moves that rely on luck such as double team that increase evasiveness or decrease accuracy are banned in competitive play. When you factor in things such as predictions and indications of how the other person's pokemon are set up based on items and moves, it leaves very little to chance. And that's disregarding damage calculations.

No, I could not, and probably still not do whta was done in the video. What I mean was that Pokemon is not a challenging strategic game like that one guy waaaaaaay back was saying. I countered his point by saying that if a six year could beat the game then it is not hard.

Well sure, but that's just beating the main storyline. The real challenge is in the competitive area (as in almost every pvp to date), battling other players with strategies such as those.

 

[SketchyFK]

Besides, "catching them all" is no longer viable...or even the point, really. It's all about competitive play, with the advent of wi-fi in D/P/P.

Pokemon is now the middle school version of COD and Halo?

Do you know what Pokemon REALLY is?

It's secretly the deepest competitive strategy game ever.

IT HAS TIER LISTS

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah... wait you aren't kidding.


Yu-Gi-Oh! has tier lists too. That doesn't really indicate anything.

Yu-Gi-Oh! is still way better than pokemon actually. I don't know why it gets so much hate while pokemon doesn't.
Also, at least Yu-Gi-Oh! DOESN'T HAVE FUCKING LAND CARDS so I don't really see why MTG gets so much more respect than it either.

Nope. Instead, it has field cards, which are a lot like land cards.

In what way? They have nothing to do with summoning.

...That's true lol. Forget I said that. >_>

U have posted the wrong thing there if u wish to show some1 how competitive pokemon is. I'm not sure if the old Battle.Net servers are still running but back a few years ago they were really potent.

And I'd be willing to say that Yu-Gi-Oh! not having land cards is its own worse enemy. Magic has a much wider variety of cards thanks to the control created from their land system. Having a COST is something that Yu-Gi-Oh is something it has been struggling to deal with for a while now. They initally tried to have ritual monsters, then fusion summons, then syncro summons which actually use the player to count resources in the form of monsters' combined levels.

The probable reason that magic is so popular in contrast to Yu-gi-oh is that the later has so many 1-turn kills and their list of banned cards is constantly growing. The fact that you can still use cards from way-back-when is a disadvantage to new players who want to try at competitions.

Magic restricts itself to having a current set and older cards are rarely seen if only in casual play. You can get early wins with magic just as with Yu-gi-oh but with magic you can actually summon 1,000,000,000,000 creatures, gain control of some1s turn forever, drain their life, burn burn burn, creatre creatures far greater than anything concievable in yu-gi-oh, whereas yu-gi has 5 creature slots and burning/milling is only something people have heard of in fairy tales.

 

[SketchyFK]

Most of your complaints about this didn't even bother me during the game.

They bothered me in other games (haven't played Black or White). When encountering a random battle with say a goddamn Zubat I really wish I could skip the 'ready to battle' sequence where the zubat makes a noise and just immediately run away.

Use repels then.

I've seen the odd person say that there is a differance between black and white, there really are not many differances other than "Obtainable Pokemon" (which there are only really 2 or so) and different city looks.

The real reason I wanted to quote u guys is because.. thank GOD for repels. I swear they are my favourite thing about this game.