Zero Punctuation: Saints Row 2
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if no one has played it in here than i moght inform you that there is an underground mall under a mall.... yea, anyways,my point is that ther is a costume store in it called lets pretend. If you had a fantasy to dres as a pirate therses a costume for you, if you want to look like a barber ther is one for you too, and if you wanted to flash people in the game than there is an extra long trench coat so you willy dosent get lonely of youst looking at you all the time. just so you know. also i never realy likes the GTA reries because my charchter alwas looks nothing like i wanted it to.
probobly because he alredy killed all of the idiots brains and implanteld frech ones that are on fire and have tits,
because dipstiks need sombody to think for then, i for once think that the trailblazing activities have mor lasting appeal than the storry line because you get rewards for doing some of the tedius tasks they give you.the protaginist said:
Yahtzee strikes me as a gamer who really likes to inject his own flavour into the storyline of a game where the supplied storyline is lacking or deliberately "spacious", and I indulge in this as well.
While I think a lot of people are finding SR2's digression from the path to gritty realism a welcome change, I'm going to put myself up as the devil's advocate here.
I would say that I (and Yahtzee) have vested interest in spicing up games with my own storylines, motivations, etc., but I find that in more realistic games this is generally easier to enjoy. I say 'enjoy' and not 'do' because in more realistic games you tend to get more immersed in everyday expectations - you walk around Liberty City and feel like "this could be real", and then you go and pick up your date for the night in a semitrailer caked in blood and legs. That is definitely more jarring (and hence entertaining) than doing the same in a colourful whacky version of reality, e.g. SR2, GTA1.
In fact I would catch myself trying to offset the absurd comedy I injected into the storyline of my Niko character by investing time in the more realistic aspects of Grand Theft Normal Boring Life. The TV ads and stuff? They fit the bill perfectly for tipping the scales neatly back in between gritty and hilarious, immersive and entertaining.
I've seen the gameplay movies of SR2 and it doesn't really strike me as a game that concentrates much on realism. To me it's like they've taken the idea of "user-created storyline" and incorporated it as part of the game - encouraging it by making the world less realistic and putting more effort into the whacky shit like "doing x to old granny y". To me it's inbalanced, and would get boring after a while.
Not that GTA4 didn't suffer from repetitiveness of missions being variations on "drive here, kill him, protect her, steal that, deliver this, yada yada yada", but I still prefer it over more stylised sandbox games like SR2.
Just as a sidenote, I think the whole balance thing between realism and user-created whackiness is enhanced many times over when you're with like minded people. Classic example: BF1942. When that game first game out and half the server population was learning to pwn and the other half learning to blow as many teammates sky high as possible, it was bliss.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks for hitting off this chain of thoughts in my brain, Yahtzee.
While I think a lot of people are finding SR2's digression from the path to gritty realism a welcome change, I'm going to put myself up as the devil's advocate here.
I would say that I (and Yahtzee) have vested interest in spicing up games with my own storylines, motivations, etc., but I find that in more realistic games this is generally easier to enjoy. I say 'enjoy' and not 'do' because in more realistic games you tend to get more immersed in everyday expectations - you walk around Liberty City and feel like "this could be real", and then you go and pick up your date for the night in a semitrailer caked in blood and legs. That is definitely more jarring (and hence entertaining) than doing the same in a colourful whacky version of reality, e.g. SR2, GTA1.
In fact I would catch myself trying to offset the absurd comedy I injected into the storyline of my Niko character by investing time in the more realistic aspects of Grand Theft Normal Boring Life. The TV ads and stuff? They fit the bill perfectly for tipping the scales neatly back in between gritty and hilarious, immersive and entertaining.
I've seen the gameplay movies of SR2 and it doesn't really strike me as a game that concentrates much on realism. To me it's like they've taken the idea of "user-created storyline" and incorporated it as part of the game - encouraging it by making the world less realistic and putting more effort into the whacky shit like "doing x to old granny y". To me it's inbalanced, and would get boring after a while.
Not that GTA4 didn't suffer from repetitiveness of missions being variations on "drive here, kill him, protect her, steal that, deliver this, yada yada yada", but I still prefer it over more stylised sandbox games like SR2.
Just as a sidenote, I think the whole balance thing between realism and user-created whackiness is enhanced many times over when you're with like minded people. Classic example: BF1942. When that game first game out and half the server population was learning to pwn and the other half learning to blow as many teammates sky high as possible, it was bliss.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks for hitting off this chain of thoughts in my brain, Yahtzee.
I think this was really one of the only "funny" reviews in a while. Lately they had been getting a little to serious, but this one is back to the old comedy. On top of that, it shows a good example of what Yahtzee thinks good games are.
Now I don't think realism is "killing" games. Its just really popular right now, and eventually it will be equaled out, so that there is a good balance of realistic and not realistic games.
I'll have to check out SR2...
Now I don't think realism is "killing" games. Its just really popular right now, and eventually it will be equaled out, so that there is a good balance of realistic and not realistic games.
I'll have to check out SR2...
You missed his point - he appreciates the beauty of GTA4 above the fun - you wouldnt expect fun from a painting or some fine literature but that doesnt mean it is inferior. Games dont always have to be about fun.Gestapo Hunter said:
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I'd worry about appreciating GTA4 for architechural modeling because if you care to glace your eyes a little above the ground floor level you'll find they arent just identical but downright lazy at times. Also, yes i see the appeal of a wonderfully detailed city where everything happens as it should but there were few times where there was anything i actually wanted to look at, just because life is a wonderful magical thing to some doesnt mean it is everywhere, and if your're going to base a game on that you should pick a location you'd actually want to be in.
To everyone that says GTA4 is better than saints row 2 I ask you when your playing your game is it fun? because games need to be fun not realistic realism is an option and for people that say realism is way more fun heres an example. Would you rather shock somone and have them fall over with an overloaded heart or have a game where you can shock somone and that sends them 4000 feet into the air then have them fall onto the roof of your car with a friend in there and hurl them into a gas station you decide.
I played Half Life 2 Smod Redux V2 Ravenholm level with that on in the background, every time it ended, I paused and replayed it, it made the much scarier Ravenholm seem less scary, and I felt like my Buckshot was your raw sewage that I was hosing people with!
You have GOT to do more of these, I've got to relieve stress from college somehow, and at the moment, you're my magic ticket!
You have GOT to do more of these, I've got to relieve stress from college somehow, and at the moment, you're my magic ticket!
I really am enjoying SR2 more than GTAIV as a game, GTAIV was like a big crime drama epic, which was good but San Andreas and Vice City were both a game and an epic... so why wasn't IV?
