Zero Punctuation: Sonic Generations
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I had the same reaction when I heard the news about a Sonic 06 level. Why would you ever include that game in a celebration? People want to forget that game exists.
Anyway, I only played the demo of this, and it was enough to tell me that it's not worth my time. Why is Classic Sonic so small? It's really hard to play when you can barely see your character. Why does Classic Sonic play like Sonic Advance 2/Sonic Rush Sonic minus all the extra moves (he's too damn fast)? Why are all the backgrounds so god-damn busy? I can barely focus on the foreground with all that shit back there. And when combined with "classic" Sonic AKA modern 2D Sonic with classic skin, it's nearly impossible to play because your tiny character is already hard enough to see, and then all the crap in the background distracts you further. Why is it still based around trial and error gameplay? I feel like I need a second TV or monitor to the right of my main one so that I can actually see ahead of me and be able to dodge enemies or make jumps in time. As it is, you have no time to react on your first go and the only way to be able to do so is to play over and over until you memorize the stages, which is terrible design for a platform game. Again, especially on "classic" Sonic because the backgrounds are so busy and it's hard to see your tiny character, and then you can't see anything in front of you either...
It just proves to me once and for all that SEGA has absolutely no idea what they're doing anymore. Modern Sonic, even when he's parading around in a classic Sonic skin like in this game's 2D sections, can get stuffed. If I want to celebrate the few good Sonic games that exist, I'll just play these:
Or as I like to call it, Sonic CD and some other shit nobody wants to play. Really, I can't believe SEGA got outside help and still fucked up the Sonic CD re-release. I love delayed music cues and pressing the unpause button and then waiting anywhere from 1 to 5 seconds for the game to actually resume, thanks for that. And it's not even consistent so you can't anticipate when the game will actually start again. But it works fine on the Gamecube, so forget the new version of Sonic CD and get one that works.
Bottom line, SEGA hasn't done anything right when it comes to Sonic since the last hardware generation, and they probably never will again.
Anyway, I only played the demo of this, and it was enough to tell me that it's not worth my time. Why is Classic Sonic so small? It's really hard to play when you can barely see your character. Why does Classic Sonic play like Sonic Advance 2/Sonic Rush Sonic minus all the extra moves (he's too damn fast)? Why are all the backgrounds so god-damn busy? I can barely focus on the foreground with all that shit back there. And when combined with "classic" Sonic AKA modern 2D Sonic with classic skin, it's nearly impossible to play because your tiny character is already hard enough to see, and then all the crap in the background distracts you further. Why is it still based around trial and error gameplay? I feel like I need a second TV or monitor to the right of my main one so that I can actually see ahead of me and be able to dodge enemies or make jumps in time. As it is, you have no time to react on your first go and the only way to be able to do so is to play over and over until you memorize the stages, which is terrible design for a platform game. Again, especially on "classic" Sonic because the backgrounds are so busy and it's hard to see your tiny character, and then you can't see anything in front of you either...
It just proves to me once and for all that SEGA has absolutely no idea what they're doing anymore. Modern Sonic, even when he's parading around in a classic Sonic skin like in this game's 2D sections, can get stuffed. If I want to celebrate the few good Sonic games that exist, I'll just play these:
Or as I like to call it, Sonic CD and some other shit nobody wants to play. Really, I can't believe SEGA got outside help and still fucked up the Sonic CD re-release. I love delayed music cues and pressing the unpause button and then waiting anywhere from 1 to 5 seconds for the game to actually resume, thanks for that. And it's not even consistent so you can't anticipate when the game will actually start again. But it works fine on the Gamecube, so forget the new version of Sonic CD and get one that works.
Bottom line, SEGA hasn't done anything right when it comes to Sonic since the last hardware generation, and they probably never will again.
I love this game, even though I can only own the 3DS version I actually rented the console version and played it all the way through in 2 sessions at my cousins house. I thought everything about the game worked fine EXCEPT I noticed that same quarter second delay in the jumps at speed as you did! I chalked it up to the shittyness of the PS3 controller which I never EVER liked but since it seems you played the Xbox version I can only assume that those stupid HD graphics which the series never needed and kept it off the Wii must cause a delay in the processors.
Also I interpreted the Sonic '06 level as an apology. "We're sorry some retards were in charge of that game, look how it would have turned out if we had some actual TALENT on it!"
Also I interpreted the Sonic '06 level as an apology. "We're sorry some retards were in charge of that game, look how it would have turned out if we had some actual TALENT on it!"
No one liked Unleashed? People run around all the time saying that the daytime stages were good, even though they're just as bad as any other modern Sonic game (you go too fast and you can't see far enough ahead of you to dodge enemies or make jumps on your first play, and you have to play over and over until you've memorized it to be able to play it properly).Gatx said:
Oh! I had no idea they were on Steam. That's a good thing. And honestly, I was only reacting to his video, not to the internet as a whole, so I hadn't looked at the reviews. My apologies. If indeed Sonic Team has made a non-horrible Sonic game, good on them!Bobic said:
And also, Bruce Forsyth is just plain awesome. Enough so that even this Yank knows who he is.
Sonic The Hedgehog CD, was the best one. Now sonic is like an old friend that I think of but don't talk to. Sega should have done a nintendo and just released the same game year after year with the same basic story but a slight twist. It's still wouldn't be as bad as some of the more recent games.
AS a Sonic fan I was initially thrilled when i heard about Generations but after my purchase numerous nits arise for the pickins so to speak. My biggest question why they skipped over all the awesome levels in Sonic 3..a fresh HD take on the Ice Cavern??!! its begging for it..hell I'M BEGGING FOR IT!
Perhaps then we would get some pretty sweet levels without all of Sonics obnoxious friends (except for Tails, knuckles and, Shadow of course)But if that were the case do you think Sega would have faired better when they took Sonic 3D?lostlevel said:
Yeah, you're not the first one the notice the Sonic Cycle, Yahtzee, get with the times.
Also, I have to agree with Yahtzee on Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, especially considering that if you managed to follow it's conveluted plot, you'll know that the game basically wrote itself out of existence (a sort of "time reset button", if you will), in which Blaze the Cat gets killed then revived and SOMEHOW remembers all of that in Sonic Generations! GAH!
Also, I have to agree with Yahtzee on Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, especially considering that if you managed to follow it's conveluted plot, you'll know that the game basically wrote itself out of existence (a sort of "time reset button", if you will), in which Blaze the Cat gets killed then revived and SOMEHOW remembers all of that in Sonic Generations! GAH!
Wow I'm amazed at all the escapists who actually praise Sonic Generations.Daystar Clarion said:
Usually I'm stuck sifting through the cynical bile that is the result of SEGA constantly stagnating their franchise 80% of the time.
I lost my shit playing this game.
It improved on the Sonic Unleashed mechanics where you actually have time to dodge and see what's coming at you!
The boss fights were phenominal, cept for the last one where the mechanics kinda go into wacky fuck all kinds of steering.
Still loved this game and when I saw a boss fight of Silver, Metal Sonic and Shadow I had to change my pants (joking)
Funniest ZP in a while. Between random T-Rex, old Yatzhee, and Sega ejaculating blood when faced with Sonic 2006, funny all round.
Ugh, Yahtzee, I wanted you to stay far the hell away from this game.
Though I will agree that he has 2 pretty decent points. The jump button for the classic scheme is slow, which is wierd, cuz it seems to be more responsive for modern. I haven't the slightest clue where the delay stems from. Also, everyone I've spoken to pretty much felt the same way about the final boss. Weak, very uninstructed (what the hell do I DO??), you don't take damage and the rings you're supposed to be collecting whiz by you because the background is the same. Damn. Color as the rings are. What?!
Other than those, as has been stated plenty of times in the thread, it's a pretty good game. Shows some pretty genuine effort from Sonic Team who have been in a state of relative stagnancy until just a little over a year ago.
Though I will agree that he has 2 pretty decent points. The jump button for the classic scheme is slow, which is wierd, cuz it seems to be more responsive for modern. I haven't the slightest clue where the delay stems from. Also, everyone I've spoken to pretty much felt the same way about the final boss. Weak, very uninstructed (what the hell do I DO??), you don't take damage and the rings you're supposed to be collecting whiz by you because the background is the same. Damn. Color as the rings are. What?!
Other than those, as has been stated plenty of times in the thread, it's a pretty good game. Shows some pretty genuine effort from Sonic Team who have been in a state of relative stagnancy until just a little over a year ago.
Riiiight, you thought that Sonic Colors was good.
And that, of course, is exactly why you refused to review it with anything other than a 4-sentence paragraph about "tortured cutscene bullshit".
And I wouldn't have expected what is basically a Sonic Cycle joke in this day and age. How very... topical?
And that, of course, is exactly why you refused to review it with anything other than a 4-sentence paragraph about "tortured cutscene bullshit".
And I wouldn't have expected what is basically a Sonic Cycle joke in this day and age. How very... topical?
