Zero Punctuation: Super Mario Maker
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I'm not intimate with said ROM products but I have messed around with Super Mario Maker. I would honestly not be surprised to find a ROM editor that offered me more usability than it. I found Super Mario Maker to be needlessly limited. That doesn't mean that I could find a ROM that would do a better job; I just can't speak to that. I'm merely pointing out that his criticism isn't necessarily an invalid one. I don't think you or I could say he's right or wrong to make that criticism unless we knew to what he was comparing it.Silvanus said:
Yeah, fair enough. I would like to have this game. I think it's probably worth it. I just wish it was a bit more robust.Silvanus said:
Which is why I've stopped watching Yahtzee's Nintendo reviews. Because, above all else, they got boring years ago. I've just never understood the vitriol against Nintendo. Any criticism I've seen leveled at them is peanuts compared what literally every other publisher does. I mean, jeez, at least aim the anger at the right targets.Ryallen said:
They added something called the "10 Mario challenge". It's to beat 8 of the levels included in the game by using 10 lives or less (I don't remember the total of levels that it has, but I think they are about 50). Every level you beat is added to your editor, so you can use them to create your levels.Xsjadoblayde said:
EDIT: And every time a new tool is unlocked, you can play an example of it. It does it 8 times.
EDIT 2: And they brought back the
Logience said:
Well, the first one isn't it.
2:40 That part of Youtube... now with Super Mario RPG music!
Nintendo has never been anti-consumer. Anti-Youtuber, yeah. But Nintendo has always been one of the best examples of pro-consumer in modern day AAA gaming. Free DLC for a lot of their games, Bayonetta 2 came with a free port of Bayonetta 1, Fire Emblem Fates gives you a massive discount on a digital copy of the second game when you buy one of the versions, which differs vastly from each other, mind you, reducing the price of the 3DS by $100, and so many more examples that I can't even name. Yeah, they have made mistakes in the past. The Amiibos were a disaster, and I understand completely why people hate Nintendo's practices towards LPers. But they have never been anti-consumer.Michael Prymula said:
Well there was that thing with Nintendo supporting SOPA, which shows a certain disdain for the general gamer population, and could be argued to be proof of their non-consumerism. And the Fire Emblem thing is debatable too; is it an act of goodwill that the second comes as a discount, or is there some quasi-Stockholm Syndrome going on? I've not measured the filesizes, but I'd wager that the two games could've been on the same cartridge, and been, y'know. One game. This may turn out to be one of the biggest forms of 'day-one DLC' that gaming's ever seen.Ryallen said:
(And do note at no point did I claim that MS or Sony are any better/different, before the fanboys start waving their flaccid wangs in my direction)
SOPA was a complete cancer, and I'm glad it died. I don't know why Nintendo or any company found that appealing. (Besides getting to hoard all the money)KenAri said:
I don't really know much about the Fire Emblem thing, as I'm not a fan of the series, but if what you're saying is true, that does sound pretty shitty.
Come to think of it, I'm kinda sick of how there's 2 (sometimes 3) versions of each Pokemen game released these days.
I guess it made sense back in the pre-DS days, where you couldn't trade online and thus had to get one of your friends to trade with you to complete your Pokedex. But now with online trading a thing, it seems unnecessary.
Then again, I never really liked that feature, as I didn't have many friends growing, and none of them played Pokemon. The kids who did I only knew at school, but then my school banned all Gameboys. As a result, I could never trade with anyone.
These days? Didn't the very first one do that with red, blue and yellow? In fact, this idea of 'versions'has to be one the first anti consumer practices in gaming history, paying for the same game twice for very small differences. It hasn't gone away either.marioandsonic said:
They are where I livein Australia. It is not possible to buy any first party nintendo game in my area for less then $50. I still pokemon black and white for $50 mario galaxy 1 same deal and most of their wiiu games are $80. This is consistent only with first party nintendo games in every electronic store I go to and nintendos official online store. Everything else comes done in price after a year or two. I'd call that a bit anti-consumer. Also getting all the smash bros dlc would cost about $100 where I am. I also don't see how anti-lets players is not anti consumer either considering most of them buy the games.Ryallen said:
Anyway, nintendo is a lot better then most companies but I'd say they definitely are willing to screw over the consumers to make a buck occasionally, just like everyone else.
So, I'm going to choose to take issue with one piece of information presented in the video: the claim that he did his research this time. I will acknowledge that it's probable he did some, as it doesn't seem unlikely that Luigi would be the least valuable amiibo. However, I find it unlikely that it's the one whose image he used for the video, as that is the Super Mario amiibo, not the Smash Bros amiibo. A quick viewing on the local retailer's shelves indicates that the Smash amiibo is a few bucks cheaper than the SMB amiibo. Then again, maybe it really IS that way in Australia, and that's just stores doing the whole "fuck consistent relative pricing" thing. In either case, I much prefer the aesthetics of the one he used in the video to the Smash one, because I find planking to be stupid.
The first rule of escapist: any time Yahtzee posts a Nintendo video, the salt will begin to flow. Nothing has topped the Other M or Smash Brother video from the Wii era.
If I have one complaint about this video, it's more that most Nintendo videos come down to the same thing, where he talks about how iterative it is, make some potshots at the company and fans at times, and that's about it. He has some good points, but hearing it after so many times makes it less funny, no matter how he tries to dress it. If I could give a suggestion, perhaps he should not review the Nintendo games unless there is nothing else, or there is something different for him to say. He did have the question of the need for a stage maker as a game, but it got muddled in with everything else where any entertainment value was lost. If he was a regular critic, this would've been okay. The problem is he is more an entertainer in some aspects, so it didn't work as well. Then again, that's my opinion and perhaps a majority found it funny.
If I have one complaint about this video, it's more that most Nintendo videos come down to the same thing, where he talks about how iterative it is, make some potshots at the company and fans at times, and that's about it. He has some good points, but hearing it after so many times makes it less funny, no matter how he tries to dress it. If I could give a suggestion, perhaps he should not review the Nintendo games unless there is nothing else, or there is something different for him to say. He did have the question of the need for a stage maker as a game, but it got muddled in with everything else where any entertainment value was lost. If he was a regular critic, this would've been okay. The problem is he is more an entertainer in some aspects, so it didn't work as well. Then again, that's my opinion and perhaps a majority found it funny.
The fact that you called all the differences between the 4 styles just cosmetics makes me think you didn't even play the game.
You complain how this is to kill ROM hacks and how user created levels are nothing but novelty, ridiculously bad levels, ridiculously hard levels and ridiculously bad and hard levels. Pretty funny because you just described 99% of all ROM hacks.
Saying that a level editor is lazy is just lazy reviewing. Polished and well made level editors are fantastic and it's something people have been asking from Nintendo for years. But now that it's out, every freaking snob pretends like there is no reason for it to exist.
ROM hacks don't invalidate the existence of the game even a tiny bit and here are the mayor differences.
The ROM hack community is basically dead. There is no centralized way to share, rate and play levels. Any more complex maps require you to learn to code.
On the other hand, ROM hacks allow far more freedom and can potentially do more than Super Mario Maker, except for the NSMBU style which can't be done through ROM hacks.
But hey, it's Yahtzee so it's okay.
You complain how this is to kill ROM hacks and how user created levels are nothing but novelty, ridiculously bad levels, ridiculously hard levels and ridiculously bad and hard levels. Pretty funny because you just described 99% of all ROM hacks.
Saying that a level editor is lazy is just lazy reviewing. Polished and well made level editors are fantastic and it's something people have been asking from Nintendo for years. But now that it's out, every freaking snob pretends like there is no reason for it to exist.
ROM hacks don't invalidate the existence of the game even a tiny bit and here are the mayor differences.
The ROM hack community is basically dead. There is no centralized way to share, rate and play levels. Any more complex maps require you to learn to code.
On the other hand, ROM hacks allow far more freedom and can potentially do more than Super Mario Maker, except for the NSMBU style which can't be done through ROM hacks.
But hey, it's Yahtzee so it's okay.
Except there weren't any artificial shortages and was just Nintendo underestimating demand for them and thus the production of them just couldn't keep up with demand. Which wasn't the first time it happened considering how insanely quick the Wii sold...which also had conspiracy theorists claiming artificial shortages because they clearly couldn't stand anything Nintendo-related being popular.Michael Prymula said:
I agree about the SOPA thing, but to their credit, they did remove themselves from the list and never publicly supported it. And as for the high prices thing, well... I read this article and couldn't really make much sense of it, so I thought that you might like to take a look at it.Dark Knifer said:
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/11/why-do-videogames-cost-so-much/
I don't know if both games could have fit on one cartridge, given that when they originally released Fire Emblem: Awakening, they actually removed the feet because they didn't think the whole game would fit onto the one cartridge. And, like I said, both Fire Emblem Fates games are reportedly completely different, with one version having a sort of overworld where you can play battles repeatedly, similar to Awakening and other more recent games and the other version being more linear, similar to earlier Fire Emblem games. I would prefer that both games be on one cartridge if they could, but seeing as how they removed the feet of the characters in an attempt to make the game fit... And, like I said, you get the entire second game as cheaper DLC, which comes to about $15, from what I've read. Which is a hell of a lot better than I know that most other companies would do. I acknowledge that Nintendo isn't perfect. But I can say that they have consistently put out several really good games in past years that aren't just rehashes and have generally developed some goodwill, at least with me and the people that I know in real life.KenAri said:
Sounds like someone couldn't be bothered to check our the filter settings, and instead of IDK changing the difficulty from a default of easy to medium, or hard. Of course all the highly rated levels are auto players when you leave the filter on Easy. You wont see auto play levels on a difficulty higher than easy for a very obvious reason. Now they really do need a Hard, and Near Impossible setting since in hard is where the difficulty can spike to infinity. A Super Easy should also exist since auto play levels are where the difficulty spiked the other way to near impossible to fail.
